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 Alpharius wrote:
I'm sure something going on there (the proposed separate thread for the RIFTS SW KS) will affect things here, it does make sense to talk about it elsewhere...

I am happy to not discuss SW Rifts further.
I only do because the part of me in denial is hoping Palladium would do something about Wave2 now they are getting more money.

Yeah, I know - that's why I think it is still somewhat OK to mention it here.

Hopefully this gets them the funds they need to move on/complete Wave 2. (Yes, complete speculation, etc., etc.)

If the SW RIFTS KS is worth talking about on its own merits, well, that would be good in a separate thread, if someone wants to start one.

Well, there is one here.

However, I'm not sure they'd appreciate us wandering in to gak all over it.

I don't disagree that another thread might be useful, but I also worry about us malcontents gakking all over someone's parade for something they're legit happy about (and while yes a warning is valuable, I'm self aware enough to respect that it's not nice to have people dropping crap all over something I'm excited about, even if it's for my own good).

Should... should we just make one tucked away in this subforum as a spinoff for the ongoing mockery, but where it won't impact the existing conversation (light as it is)?

To be clear, I'm asking entirely seriously. As a semi-regular of a couple of forums, it feels like there's a bunch of conflicting etiquette to address.

Thoughts?

I would say from my brief bout of being a "troll", yeah, they need to keep it a "pure" discussion on the RPG and various merits and the goodies that are coming.

Mostly they seem to be chomping at the bit on how complete a conversion they will be seeing of Rifts and little else.

Ohhhh, that was hard for me not posting something in that other thread Forar. In the end, I don't want to see its post count go up.

Another thread here for us to discuss it wouldn't be bad; I popped back over the KS after my last post and read a few of the updates, and the PDF design diary and I've got a few thoughts on it (had been planning to pick it up once it went retail, now, I don't think so).

 Alpharius wrote:
Yeah, I know - that's why I think it is still somewhat OK to mention it here.

Hopefully this gets them the funds they need to move on/complete Wave 2. (Yes, complete speculation, etc., etc.)

I've seen this idea bandied around, and frankly I don't think it stands up to scrutiny.

The Savage Worlds Kickstarter is looking at 300-400K. Unless PB get HALF, it's not even close to being enough. Even 10% (which I'd consider on the high side) is going to equat to about 30K. If 30K has been holding up this project for 18 months, then there's all sorts of other issues.

Assuming that PB spent half on Wave 1, that's 700K to do Wave 2 (and the more Wave 1 cost, and the more Wave 2 costs, means the deficit is greater). 30K is 5% of that amount. While I'm sure every little bit counts, it just seems very "small drop, big fething bucket". And that doesn't even take into account inflationary costs. Hell, just the estimated shipping alone (both the bulk containers and then to backers) has probably gone up more than 30K in the last 18 months.

I just don't see how if funding IS the problem, that the amount they'll get from Pinnacle will somehow "restart the conversation". And if funding isn't the problem, it's definitely not gonna fix it.

To build upon that notion; if they have funds available still, I'm told that kind of thing can be leveraged towards more traditional sources of funding. Basically, having money can be a good way to get more money. PB's financial history might be shaky enough to make this less of a sure thing, but I can't imagine having half a million or more sitting around collecting interest and not being able to get a loan for 30/50k+ if that's all that stood between them and wave 2.

Not to mention that unless they're all tapped out themselves, 30k isn't exactly an overwhelming amount. Hell, *I* could pull that together if my life depended on it, and I'm sure I'm not the only one in this thread who could either.

Now sure, it might help! It's not a bad thing to get another chunk of cash in hand, but even if it helps, they'd have to be as broke as Rick keeps proclaiming them (hi Rick) for it to be more than a drop in the money bucket they already claimed 2.5-3 years ago (including the PM).

But it seems like it'd have to be a perfect storm of bullgak for them to have everything lined up but another hit of capital from whatever they might get here (and this is predicated on them even getting a portion of what is collected in the campaign, which we have no idea of, for all we know it was a flat fee PEG paid up front, or due after retail sales begin, or whatever, I'm not a contract guy but I can't take as a given that PB's necessarily even getting a piece of this particular pie).

After the fiasco with ND and its KS responsibilities, I'd be surprised if the terms weren't more than a couple of IOU's scrawled in taco sauce on a used napkin - and at that, probably not the type you wipe your mouth with.

However, I think we all know that whatever funds PB does garner, none of it will go to RRT - it will either go to their non-existant book line or back pay for artists and freelancers. Maybe if they're lucky, to pay for their warehouse building.

My latest work. Almost done. I want to do a battle with these to test out with Nodal Wars.

with some detailing

 Alpharius wrote:
Hopefully this gets them the funds they need to move on/complete Wave 2. (Yes, complete speculation, etc., etc.)

Yeah, that'll happen ^_^.

If the SW RIFTS KS is worth talking about on its own merits, well, that would be good in a separate thread, if someone wants to start one.

I'm personally more than happy to wait until the actual books are released.


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 Stormonu wrote:
Ohhhh, that was hard for me not posting something in that other thread Forar. In the end, I don't want to see its post count go up.

Another thread here for us to discuss it wouldn't be bad; I popped back over the KS after my last post and read a few of the updates, and the PDF design diary and I've got a few thoughts on it (had been planning to pick it up once it went retail, now, I don't think so).

Oh, haven't read them. I'd certainly be interested in reading what you think about it.

 Mike1975 wrote:
with some detailing

Nice Bio-roids.

Game play question. Is an all Destroid RDF viable in the game, or are Veritechs a must have piece of kit?

 Mike1975 wrote:
with some detailing

quit reminding me I still have my Bioroids to paint, but still got some more destroids and veritechs to finish, then some Lancers and invid and other mecha to do too.

but now you have me wanting to bump my Bioroids to the front of the line, curse you Mike, Curse you.

I forgot how good those Bioroids look.
I remember watching the cartoon and thinking of them as robots/suits on too much caffeine: man those things were fast.
Never liked the platforms much for looks but they had proven utility in the show.

 Talizvar wrote:
I forgot how good those Bioroids look.
I remember watching the cartoon and thinking of them as robots/suits on too much caffeine: man those things were fast.
Never liked the platforms much for looks but they had proven utility in the show.

In Nodal Wars I gave them lots of actions. That means that have plenty of actions to boost their speed or defenses and to Rapid Fire with. The guns are short ranged and don't do much damage......but they can shoot a lot. They also have enhanced which gives them melee bonuses and bonuses to shoot down missiles.

Nice bioroids. Really would have loved to seen those and the Invid for this game.

Anyone excited to play RRT at Gencon? Maybe a tournament with the force you finally got around to building?!

Whelp, there are 5 events listed, each with 6 seats available, lasting from 3-4 hours. Some run by our very own WRRD, others run by some other guy.

Clearly RRT is 'heating up' this summer!

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Latest PB Update:

We are looking into some new possibilities and gearing up for more about Robotech® RPG Tactics™, starting with material that will be made available on DriveThruRPG.com. Meanwhile, we are supporting all kinds of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ events at StrategiCon.

StrategiCon GAMEX, Memorial Day weekend, is going to be big fun for fans of Robotech® and Robotech® RPG Tactics™, with build and paint workshops, demos all weekend, and special events. Palladium is happy to support this big RRT event. See the convention description, below, for more details or go to the StrategiCon website:

http://www.strategicon.net/

Friday isn't "all weekend", but someone is at least doing something. That's new.

How could there still be any new possibilities at this point?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Friday isn't "all weekend", but someone is at least doing something. That's new.

Well the initial number of events has been halved (there were six, now there is three, but those all had scheduling conflicts).

The remaining three events, yeah, PB are definitely stretching by using plurals (there's one build workshop, and either two demos, or one demo and one special event). And it all takes place between 1pm Friday and midnight. It's an even bigger stretch if they're arguing the two Robotech RPG's count. Cause no, they don't.

And as the GenCon Events List is up for perusal purposes (and a purple dog directed me to look), there's five "show up and play" demo events for people , and that's the extent of Palladium's non-booth involvement at GenCon. All events are tagged in the Experience Required category as "None (You've never played before - rules will be taught)", so there's zero events for people with any form of experience, and zero need for anyone to bring their toys to show off. So the months they spent cajoling people got them two people willing to devote any time to this, and only short events at that.

So, I see things are "heating up", and this is "restarting the conversation". And that conversation definitely appears to be "we don't give a gak". Looking forward to the relaunch in 14 months. Because it's clear PB don't give a crap about this year, even if Wave 2 is still "being worked on".

Side note, Heroes of Humanity has a release date. I fully expect that to be delayed. And Arsenal is "on track" for June. Like they're ever on track for anything. But assuming they can pull it off, they'll be 2/8 on their "first half of 2016" promises. And they're hopeful they can get the remaining six before the end of September. As well as two more (there's mention of Splicers and Robotech books in the works, they use plural, but let's just assume they mean one of each). It's just ludicrous (not Ludacris) that they continue with the farce of estimation.

 Forar wrote:

Whelp, there are 5 events listed, each with 6 seats available, lasting from 3-4 hours. Some run by our very own WRRD, others run by some other guy.

Clearly RRT is 'heating up' this summer!

Ooh I wonder if WRRD will bring Kool Aid and lube for the true believer circle jerk?

Done and Based......thinking of painting base edge a color to identify squads......thoughts?

You could put a single vertical stripe of color on the backside of the base. This would allow you separate the squads but not stand out too much. I did this back in the day with my Ultramarine tactical squads.

Those Bioroids look strangely poseable. The must be, like, a bajillion pieces.

hers some of my stuff, worked on and needing work:

Props to both of you for continuing to work on those minis (esp. the bioroids & invid), looking good.

Maybe it'll inspire me to one day pull my stuff back down and finish painting it.

Well, I've decided to lit a fire under my behind to get on to assembling the damned things. Even though the official rules are workable enough, what I'm planning to do is using Alpha Strike to do a Macross game.

Funnily enough, using Alpha Strike I can use the Battletech mech/vehicle creation system to stat basically anything I want to my convenience, which then I can translate into Alpha Strike. And as Alpha Strike already has rules for basically everything and anything I could ever need to map Macross units (yes, even LAM rules, out of the box), it's only a matter of building the mechs as I want them to work for it

So yeah, I really want an excuse to build the fething things.

EDIT: turns out profanity filter doesn't really get everything, heh.

 Albertorius wrote:
Well, I've decided to lit a fire under my behind to get on to assembling the damned things. Even though the official rules are workable enough, what I'm planning to do is using Alpha Strike to do a Macross game.

Funnily enough, using Alpha Strike I can use the Battletech mech/vehicle creation system to stat basically anything I want to my convenience, which then I can translate into Alpha Strike. And as Alpha Strike already has rules for basically everything and anything I could ever need to map Macross units (yes, even LAM rules, out of the box), it's only a matter of building the mechs as I want them to work for it

My only real complaint about the rules from a viewing of a couple AS games (didn't play though) is the damage by range bracket. It's simplification one step too far for me as I do like the ability to shoot individual weapons with different stats. The abstraction of shooting them all with a combined single stat at each range feels a bit off to me although I realize that is a preference and yet a reasonable design mechanic on their part.

 warboss wrote:

My only real complaint about the rules from a viewing of a couple AS games (didn't play though) is the damage by range bracket. It's simplification one step too far for me as I do like the ability to shoot individual weapons with different stats. The abstraction of shooting them all with a combined single stat at each range feels a bit off to me although I realize that is a preference and yet a reasonable design mechanic on their part.

Well, if that's your only complaint, you might be happy to know that there's an optional variable damage rule in the Compendium ^_^.

It's an easy rule, too, and not too slow either (although it's another roll, so...). Basically, whenever you hit, instead of just marking off the whole damage, you roll 1d6 for each damage point. Every 4+ on a die does 1 point of damage.