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He can't kick you out. He's only all powerful on their facebook page and their forums. You simply call it like you see it when he gives you a stock copypasta answer at the q&a or at the booth. I'm not trying to encourage you to turn the screws on him till he squeals literally (that's John's specialty!) but rather figuratively.

Oh sorry I was not clear: I am afraid "I" will do something to get me kicked out.
Short and sweet, extended conversation may lead to indignant cusswords and me commenting on Kevin's lineage.
I have over 50 suppliers that do better than these clowns and 3 I got blacklisted that make PB STILL look bad.
I sort out problems at my work and PB is a whole lot of systemic failure with top level management in desperate need of an exit strategy.
I will have to grit my teeth harder if I meet NMI.
He will probably be still looking for that ban button.

 warboss wrote:
Looks like the weekly update hit early with the usual cut and paste "new possibilities" and drivethrurpg gak that they've been peddling for the past year generally and exactly for the past month. They did mention the plans for both cons. Any dakkites going to either Anime North or the Socal convention? For the former, please firmly but politely (I know... you're Canadian... it's a redundant request!) badger our favorite snake oil salemen about his long delinquent and outstanding debts on camera at the likely palladium Q&A? The more the merrier!

I'm going to the SoCal convention. I don't think anyone from PB is going to be there. It's a fan that runs the RRT games at Strategicon.

Will definitely report what I see, however.

 warboss wrote:
Looks like the weekly update hit early with the usual cut and paste "new possibilities" and drivethrurpg gak that they've been peddling for the past year generally and exactly for the past month.

In addition to the nothingburger that is an RRT "Update" (<- That word, I don't think it means what Kevin thinks it means), a delay "at the printers" has pushed back the first book Heroes of Humanity (due March, as of Feb 18th) that PB has produced this year, to two weeks before the "first six months of 2016". They were supposed to release eight. I wonder how many they "expect" to do for the second half of the year.

Delay at the printers always means they didn't recieve the print files on time. 20 years dealing with printers I have never had a delay that was caused by the printers.

I am going to anime north. The MOST i might do is walk past the booth a couple of times abd MAYBE the panel...and thats just pass along how pathetic it may be to people here.

At this pount i couldn't give two craps abput rrt or palladium as a company anymore.

Upside - get to go to anime north AND likely meet Tal.

jaymz wrote:
I am going to anime north. The MOST i might do is walk past the booth a couple of times abd MAYBE the panel...and thats just pass along how pathetic it may be to people here.

At this pount i couldn't give two craps abput rrt or palladium as a company anymore.

Upside - get to go to anime north AND likely meet Tal.

Why not harass Kevin? Ask him directly when the heck is he going to do *something real* about wave 2?
PLEASE. If I were not in Chile, I would do it myself!

 Nesbet wrote:

jaymz wrote:
I am going to anime north. The MOST i might do is walk past the booth a couple of times abd MAYBE the panel...and thats just pass along how pathetic it may be to people here.
At this pount i couldn't give two craps abput rrt or palladium as a company anymore.
Upside - get to go to anime north AND likely meet Tal.

Why not harass Kevin? Ask him directly when the heck is he going to do *something real* about wave 2?
PLEASE. If I were not in Chile, I would do it myself!

I feel I am as rabid as the next guy.
Problem is, after meeting him the last time at Anime North I know it would be utterly pointless.
The man starts off with the "Nice to meet you."
He expects some fan gushing or praise.
When he does not get that, his smile gets cloudy and he gives you this look "So what do you want then."
Then he quotes whatever was last written on his "updates" and pulls an "I-gotta-go-bye!!!!".

Long winded way of saying it is not worth it and there is so much more worth-it at the convention.
I have been to a few different types of conventions and Anime North is the happiest, nicest group of people you would have the pleasure of meeting.
Best thing I did is keep my kids informed of the various comics out there, games and anime.
The cosplay people were ecstatic when my kids knew who they were dressed up as, got many pictures of them goofing around with my kids.
We just have to get out before the later evening more edgy costumes are allowed to enter.

Kevin however... let's just say he will not meet my kids.

Morgan Vening wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Looks like the weekly update hit early with the usual cut and paste "new possibilities" and drivethrurpg gak that they've been peddling for the past year generally and exactly for the past month.

In addition to the nothingburger that is an RRT "Update" (<- That word, I don't think it means what Kevin thinks it means), a delay "at the printers" has pushed back the first book Heroes of Humanity (due March, as of Feb 18th) that PB has produced this year, to two weeks before the "first six months of 2016". They were supposed to release eight. I wonder how many they "expect" to do for the second half of the year.

What's hilarious is that the Player's guide for SW Rifts has been already announced it will be delayed too.

That one I can kind of give a pass on, since they listened to Backer requests and set a stretch goal to bump up the page count considerably to include things that were only going to be PDFs otherwise.

I think that much like RRT, the 8k goal was a joke lowball so they could proclaim 'omg we funded in 42 seconds and are at a kajillion percent of what we asked for!', but that's not an uncommon thing with KS these days.

Not that I backed SWR. Decided in the end to pull my $1. The value of possibly saying 'I told you so' if/when it becomes a mess wasn't worth being lumped in with PB being able to say 'omg look at that backer count!'

Even if my participation (as it were) was dragging the average down a few pennies.

I do not expect Savage Worlds Rifts to have many issues for the deliverables they promised.
I only expect any future material is suspect: this may be a one-shot deal and then I expect Kevin to get jealous of the "middle man".

@Forar: yeah, some backer was saying to measure the "success" of a kickstarter is what percentage you exceed your goal.
It does not take much thought to leverage that value to what you want.
I would say a more accurate measure is backer to money pledged amount like our $1,442,312 / 5,342 backers = $270 average pledge per backer.
Savage Worlds Rifts:$438,076 / 4,238 backers = $103 average per backer.

Then I heard words that this is "hard" with just books. I am sure little plastic models are easier.
The people there were not terribly happy with me when I said they were not real fans and were cheaping-out unlike us RRT backers...
Just got them thinking in a roundabout way they are throwing money indirectly to the company that gave the shaft to "superfans" who spent more than they did.

I think the TRUE measure of a KS success is the pure profit (amount of money received - amount spent).
I am sure Palladium's is respectable.

There I go with the negative waves. I may have to change my handle to "Moriarty".

 Talizvar wrote:
I feel I am as rabid as the next guy.
Problem is, after meeting him the last time at Anime North I know it would be utterly pointless.

You're a happy playful puppy dog compared to some of the "rabid...next guys" in this thread. Everything we do (including generating 100's of pages of commentary on dakka) is in essence pointless in the long run to the only metric that matters (KS reward fulfillment). I suppose it's that kind of apathy that he's counting on but I understand that you've got better more positive things to do with the family at such an event. I can see not prioritizing the 2 minutes no strings attached to take Kevin to task on camera but it would be nice if just one person did it once if they were going to a con anyways. A video of him scurrying away Kanye West style with the hand blocking the camera shouting no comment to a reporter repeatedly politely asking "but I just want to know when I'll get my 2013 kickstarter rewards?" would be a youtube video for the ages.


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For those interested, there is a kickstarter going on with some sort of connection with DP9 that looks to potentially have some nice 10mm terrain. The $75 buy in for each set of terrain seems a bit too good to be true and not sustainable at retail but here's the link regardless. Caveat Emptor.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2146939017/terraforms-tabletop-wargame-terrain-10mm-12mm-scal

It's obviously not 6mm but those factory and industrial buildings would barely be big enough to put out keychains at an industrial scale so that set might actually fit the scale of Robo/Battle-tech more than DZC and HG. The residential stuff though might be a no-go for scale purists.

First timer KS doing producing physical goods? It'll be fine.

No, I'm not pledging.

If this con is like the last....kevin is not at the booth much. Considering he is actually running rpgs this time....I have no interest having a "vendor" file a complaint about my "harassing" him.

Remember this is the same guy who sued a company because they were calling theor pc game "Rift". He IS that petty.

That means you moght jave wayne or chuck. Chuck, nice enough guy but tows the party line and thats it. Wayne, a lying sack of crap who can eat a bag of phallic objects as far as I am concerned.

 Stormonu wrote:

Morgan Vening wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Looks like the weekly update hit early with the usual cut and paste "new possibilities" and drivethrurpg gak that they've been peddling for the past year generally and exactly for the past month.

In addition to the nothingburger that is an RRT "Update" (<- That word, I don't think it means what Kevin thinks it means), a delay "at the printers" has pushed back the first book Heroes of Humanity (due March, as of Feb 18th) that PB has produced this year, to two weeks before the "first six months of 2016". They were supposed to release eight. I wonder how many they "expect" to do for the second half of the year.

What's hilarious is that the Player's guide for SW Rifts has been already announced it will be delayed too.

but I thought they were 98% done ? and this from PEG ?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
First timer KS doing producing physical goods? It'll be fine.
No, I'm not pledging.

Oh just live a little, what could happen?
Do not let RRT ruin your pledge habits.
The futuristic terrain is looking interesting.

Asterios wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

Morgan Vening wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Looks like the weekly update hit early with the usual cut and paste "new possibilities" and drivethrurpg gak that they've been peddling for the past year generally and exactly for the past month.

In addition to the nothingburger that is an RRT "Update" (<- That word, I don't think it means what Kevin thinks it means), a delay "at the printers" has pushed back the first book Heroes of Humanity (due March, as of Feb 18th) that PB has produced this year, to two weeks before the "first six months of 2016". They were supposed to release eight. I wonder how many they "expect" to do for the second half of the year.

What's hilarious is that the Player's guide for SW Rifts has been already announced it will be delayed too.

but I thought they were 98% done ? and this from PEG ?

Yep, my comment was somewhat in jest, but they did delay delivery by 3 weeks because they are adding the bonus race stretch goals to the PDF/printed book (3 weeks to insert some already formatted pages, renumber and maybe adjust the table of contents? Sounds a little fishy to me the more I think about it). I have more faith in PEG actually meeting their deadline, but it is like the same slippery slope PB uses all the time. Anyway, I'd bust a gut laughing if we were to see rolling delivery date delays from that KS.

If they have to commission the art, have the artist do it, approve it themselves, and get it approved by the ever timely Palladium,.... I think three weeks is very reasonable.

 warboss wrote:
If they have to commission the art, have the artist do it, approve it themselves, and get it approved by the ever timely Palladium,.... I think three weeks is very reasonable.

well if those 3 weeks stretch into 3 months wonder how things will go?

 Talizvar wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
First timer KS doing producing physical goods? It'll be fine.
No, I'm not pledging.

Oh just live a little, what could happen?
Do not let RRT ruin your pledge habits.
The futuristic terrain is looking interesting.

I could end up losing a substantial portion of my annual hobby budget. That would be a real tragedy in every sense of the word.
RRT has nothing to do with this particular decision.

 warboss wrote:
If they have to commission the art, have the artist do it, approve it themselves, and get it approved by the ever timely Palladium,.... I think three weeks is very reasonable.

Hmmr... I apparently conflated the stretch races with the preview PDFs they released, so I thought they already had all the art & formatting done and just needed to insert it into the main document. If they don't already have those add-ons built behind the scenes I think you're right - especially with the art (and approval) taking the longest.

 Stormonu wrote:

 warboss wrote:
If they have to commission the art, have the artist do it, approve it themselves, and get it approved by the ever timely Palladium,.... I think three weeks is very reasonable.

Hmmr... I apparently conflated the stretch races with the preview PDFs they released, so I thought they already had all the art & formatting done and just needed to insert it into the main document. If they don't already have those add-ons built behind the scenes I think you're right - especially with the art (and approval) taking the longest.

Please note that I'm not speaking from any position of certainty as to what they have or will have to do as I didn't follow the rpg kickstarter updates after the first day. It's just my own thoughts as to what adding races with art to an rpg book entails. Even if they had the art, they may have to come up with both filler text and art if what they have isn't a multiple of 4/8/16 pages due to how printing and binding works.

I understand, but I'd also made an error in thinking on my part.

However, if adding the pages doesn't come up to 4/8/16 multiple, how hard could it be for PB to fill that dead space with ads for their "upcoming" books?

Did anyone catch this use of SNAFU in the weekly update?

"Apparently there was a SNAFU at the printer that has delayed CS Heroes of Humanity™.

Is this Kev admitting that fracked up timelines are the norm for his product, or an innocent misuse of a sarcasm laden acronym?

 Swabby wrote:
Did anyone catch this use of SNAFU in the weekly update?
"Apparently there was a SNAFU at the printer that has delayed CS Heroes of Humanity™.
Is this Kev admitting that fracked up timelines are the norm for his product, or an innocent misuse of a sarcasm laden acronym?

Maybe he has become more aware of his "normal situation"?
I do agree it is a real showstopper at the printer when they do not receive the layout for printing.
It just is never, never, never his fault on anything.
Anyone who does not make mistakes is either not doing anything or is in denial... I have so little evidence of any recent work on his part to know which it is.

 Stormonu wrote:
I understand, but I'd also made an error in thinking on my part.

However, if adding the pages doesn't come up to 4/8/16 multiple, how hard could it be for PB to fill that dead space with ads for their "upcoming" books?

Perhaps this other company has standards and a moral compass unlike Palladium? I do agree though that it would be easier to just fill the extra pages with something like a great new Rifts app Palladium commisioned exclusively for Palm Pilots and Apple Newtons coming out later this year.

 warboss wrote:
I do agree though that it would be easier to just fill the extra pages with something like a great new Rifts app Palladium commisioned exclusively for Palm Pilots and Apple Newtons coming out later this year.

Awesome! I actually DO have the first Palm Pilot that came out... somewhere... in all that stuff I moved. Nevermind.
I can still write in "graffiti".
I love interfaces you have to adapt to rather than them being user friendly... rather reflective of PB!

 warboss wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
I understand, but I'd also made an error in thinking on my part.

However, if adding the pages doesn't come up to 4/8/16 multiple, how hard could it be for PB to fill that dead space with ads for their "upcoming" books?

Perhaps this other company has standards and a moral compass unlike Palladium?

If they had a moral compass they wouldn't have anything to do with PB in the first place...

 warboss wrote:
I do agree though that it would be easier to just fill the extra pages with something like a great new Rifts app Palladium commisioned exclusively for Palm Pilots and Apple Newtons coming out later this year.

Woot! My palm tugsten is sitting at my desk. I could send an SASE to have them send it to me on a reused AOL 7 CD-ROM!

 Stormonu wrote:
If they had a moral compass they wouldn't have anything to do with PB in the first place...

I am humbled by your clearly superior snark.

Woot! My palm tugsten is sitting at my desk. I could send an SASE to have them send it to me on a reused AOL 7 CD-ROM!

You think Palladium is made out of money, rich boy??? In order to ensure the greatest compatibility with the Newton, the app will only function up to the Palm V. Besides, we all know 160x160 monochrome is what the cool kids use... not your hidef color screen! Palladium applies the same rigid standards to their electronic applications as they do to their internal RPG artwork.

 warboss wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
If they had a moral compass they wouldn't have anything to do with PB in the first place...

I am humbled by your clearly superior snark.

Woot! My palm tugsten is sitting at my desk. I could send an SASE to have them send it to me on a reused AOL 7 CD-ROM!

You think Palladium is made out of money, rich boy??? In order to ensure the greatest compatibility with the Newton, the app will only function up to the Palm V. Besides, we all know 160x160 monochrome is what the cool kids use... not your hidef color screen! Palladium applies the same rigid standards to their electronic applications as they do to their internal RPG artwork.

You win, sir!