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You forgot to mention the cards will be numbered from 1-9 (instead of like those inferior decks that start the numbering with 2!) and the Jack, Queen, King and Ace will be replaced with original O.C.C.'s like Bootlicker, Narcissist, Banhammerer and Lord of RPG's. Each card will be lovingly made from missing refrigerator art, transferred to 1980's era paper bags that are hand-cut by the staff at Palladium.

And there will be no Jokers in the deck, because frankly they forgot about them.

Guys, you are missing the best part of this update, they are still energized since gencon! I mean, what more could we want right?

What? No one laid low by con crud? Shame, they could have milked that for a few months of inactivity.

Only 150 decks? What happened all their fan friends run out of money? They probably could have printed up 1500 for the same cost and had plenty left over for grab bag fodder.

As an aside, anyone play Scythe? I swear you could retheme it post Force of Arms and it would totally work.

150 decks in 2 weeks or so? and hes saying it like it is hot cakes selling? guess he never saw the Exploding Kittens card decks, or the cards against Humanity decks? or even your average deck of playing cards all of which manage to do those kind of sales in minutes, not weeks. and he says his cards are popular? man I wish I knew what kind of drugs he was on, now those would sell like hotcakes.

Interesting.

Between June 5th and August 10th, there were 34 deleted comments on the main Kickstarter comments page.

An impressive half of which were by our very own Merijeek.

I'm guessing that Meri managed to get reported for a couple and whoever got tasked with cleaning up the section decided to go back over the last few months of his activity and clear out a bunch (it's not every comment he made in that time frame). I wonder how many of the remainder were directly reported as well, and how many were just caught while the house cleaning was underway.

Most of the others are singles or pairs of removed comments by users (some names I'm not at all surprised to see on the list either).

17 comments removed from the latest update, which only has ~200'ish (it's actually 204 at time of posting, but who knows where it'll end up if they just leave this as the update to stand for this quarter or whatever). Nearly 10% of our discourse was considered unacceptable (also hi again, Meri).

It is bizarro world to me that kickstarter has no problem with a project languishing in development hell with the backers money for years, but they do have a problem with the manner the backers vent their frustration.

This whole experience has kind of soured my desire to continue crowdfunding.


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Also, did anyone ever actually look at these paper models that PB released? They are like full on folding models, not just a picture in a stand. I am now totally baffled at the waste in resources making these.

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/189303/Paper-Game-Pieces-UEDF-Wave-2-for-Robotech-RPG-Tactics?src=newest&filters=0_0_10152_0_0

You don't think they'll eventually go all "Whelp, we're outta money, we tried hard, but at least you've got these swanky paper pieces, right? You're welcome, and good bye all!", do you?

I don't think they will ever actually say it, but I think that is kind of the inevitable result and the paper models are the guilt sacrifice.

What kind of blows my mind is that they also released wave 1 paper models. I don't get it. Why release paper standies for models that you are actively trying to sell?

 Swabby wrote:
It is bizarro world to me that kickstarter has no problem with a project languishing in development hell with the backers money for years, but they do have a problem with the manner the backers vent their frustration.

This whole experience has kind of soured my desire to continue crowdfunding.


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Also, did anyone ever actually look at these paper models that PB released? They are like full on folding models, not just a picture in a stand. I am now totally baffled at the waste in resources making these.

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/189303/Paper-Game-Pieces-UEDF-Wave-2-for-Robotech-RPG-Tactics?src=newest&filters=0_0_10152_0_0

Wow, I'm strangely impressed. I figured they would just be flat standees. I wonder what papercraft site they had a fan-friend copy those off of? (You know fulll well no one at PB would have the skill to do these, nor would they have paid any money for something they turn around and give out for free).

 Alpharius wrote:
You don't think they'll eventually go all "Whelp, we're outta money, we tried hard, but at least you've got these swanky paper pieces, right? You're welcome, and good bye all!", do you?

After he is ready to retire/die and cashes out/sells off the IPs leaving the company a dead shell with no assets, maybe. Before then? Nah. Palladium/Kevin Siembieda is very overprotective legally. It's why he trademarks EVERYTHING he thinks of because he thinks everyone is watching him as some sort of a trendsetter. In the late 90's or early 2000's, he tried to trademark the work Necron for gaming purposes. He didn't even do a basic web search to see if a bigger company already used the term (obviously GW for at least 5 years at that time as it was already a 2nd and 3rd edition faction). He had to redo a book because the Necrons were his major galactic villain in it. He also goes after/sends cease and desist letters to fansites that post conversions because he thinks he's liable for it. While I could see that possibly if he hosted them on HIS company site or with some stretching allowed them on his forum as fan posts but to go after third party independent websites because of that? Nah, that's all Siembieda. I don't see him admitting ANYTHING until it won't potentially in his mind cost him a cent.

Uh, am I looking at the wrong thing? Most of those are 2D, the only 3D'ish ones I'm seeing in the preview pages are the Fighters (which just have the sides and top down view on a rectangle by the looks of it). Maybe the MAC-II, from glancing at a thumbnail preview at least.

Battloids and Guardians are both 2D, and the latter are in profile meaning judging LoS to them in a head to head setup could be tricky.

 Stormonu wrote:
Haven't they been claiming cards/PDF's of Wave 2 for over 6 months?

And didn't we see Nesbit showing off his printed cards (from Mike's files) a few weeks back?


They have 4,100 SW Rifts backers (adding up to 1/3 the money pulled in by RRT...), and Rifts uses card decks for initiative. Yet it took them over a month to sell 150... that's less than 3% buy-in. Let them go ahead an make more poker cards - I'll bet it takes MONTHS for them to move them all and it can add into what drives them bankrupt finally.

Exactly. Its Nesbet BTW, but you are right on your points. All they shoukd have to do is UPLOAD the damned files :/

In most other games I've seen that use paper minis (whether official published ones or shameful gencon trick games by unscrupulous GM's), you just turn the paper towards the shooter until it's perpendicular to determine LOS and then put it back to the original facing. Of course, with palladium's meagre two years worth of efforts resulting in those, you'd have to additionally house rule it so.

 Forar wrote:
17 comments removed from the latest update, which only has ~200'ish (it's actually 204 at time of posting, but who knows where it'll end up if they just leave this as the update to stand for this quarter or whatever). Nearly 10% of our discourse was considered unacceptable (also hi again, Meri).

Some of us will never achieve fame, and so must settle for infamy.

Merijeek wrote:

 Forar wrote:
17 comments removed from the latest update, which only has ~200'ish (it's actually 204 at time of posting, but who knows where it'll end up if they just leave this as the update to stand for this quarter or whatever). Nearly 10% of our discourse was considered unacceptable (also hi again, Meri).

Some of us will never achieve fame, and so must settle for infamy.

If you and Forar are developing mirror universe versions of yourselves, I suggest changing your names to Merjerk and Furor and growing a goatee beard on your avatars. If you're going dark side, you go full dark side.

Daaaaamn, I just hit the motherload of papercraft - a very happy thing for me BTW. Am I crazy that the paper models shown here are more mouth-watering than the plastic models PB foisted upon us?

http://www.papercraftsquare.com/tag/macross

I'm going to have to try out the YF-4 myself; one of the models I've been really wanting to get my hands on.

Lot of the stuff is the wrong scale, but rescaling RRT or rescaling the models themselves shouldn't be a difficult thing. And they have the super parts as add-ons to the VT models...

P.S.: Sorry on getting the name wrong, Nesbet - did the same thing to Forar for a while.

<Edit> Fudge - just downloaded PB's offering. The MAC II is semi 3D, but Forar is right, the rest is 2D stand-ups :(

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See their Clearance section for discounts on Reaper, Vallejo, and Minitaire paint (up to 50%)

Sorry if I got your hopes up. I just saw the monster and thought they were all like that.

 Swabby wrote:
Sorry if I got your hopes up. I just saw the monster and thought they were all like that.

No problem - it did get me to look for Macross/Robotech papercraft, and what I found there has me delighted - just printed the YF-4 model out, and I have a week's vacation to work on putting it together (and it will probably take that time plus some, but hey - I'll be happy as a clam).

ced1106 wrote:
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See their Clearance section for discounts on Reaper, Vallejo, and Minitaire paint (up to 50%)

Isn't that the place that's totally like the #1 online retailer in the world*?

*Not intended as factual statement

I admit to being easily amused, but I can't stop chuckling that the fairly-new super-cool UEDF paper standees are all copyrighted in 2015. Even with it's most charitable time of saying they put that on December 31, 2015 (since back-dating copyrights is not particularly bright even by PB standards), it was still over half a year to upload a file.

I know that their ineptitude is legend, but to leave such an obvious reminder of how atrociously bad they are at getting things out the door is just...well that's just fantastic. For somewhat alternate meanings of that word, anyway.

Here

and the rest

 Alpharius wrote:
You don't think they'll eventually go all "Whelp, we're outta money, we tried hard, but at least you've got these swanky paper pieces, right? You're welcome, and good bye all!", do you?

No, because then they would be legally obligated per the KS contract to show where all of that money went, and there would be people itching to go after them for illegal conversion of funds (i.e. money unreasonably spent on non-KS activities). If proven, that *is* prima facie evidence fraud, and could be used to force damages and (preferably) jail time.

If you think people are pissed now, ...

Hey Mike, in those files there's a Zent Officer Pod that changes into what looks like a YF-4 fighter - is that actually from one of the Macross series or PB books? I don't remember seeing it in anything I've run across.

Same with the Robotech Masters file - there's some half-battlepod things I don't recognize there. Where did they come from? They look like Long artwork.

Its probably the variable glaug. Its a macross design.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
You don't think they'll eventually go all "Whelp, we're outta money, we tried hard, but at least you've got these swanky paper pieces, right? You're welcome, and good bye all!", do you?

No, because then they would be legally obligated per the KS contract to show where all of that money went, and there would be people itching to go after them for illegal conversion of funds (i.e. money unreasonably spent on non-KS activities). If proven, that *is* prima facie evidence fraud, and could be used to force damages and (preferably) jail time.

If you think people are pissed now, ...

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How many KS have been forced to turn over their books so far?

Not that many fail in the first place, but RRT is a bit "special"...

 Stormonu wrote:
Hey Mike, in those files there's a Zent Officer Pod that changes into what looks like a YF-4 fighter - is that actually from one of the Macross series or PB books? I don't remember seeing it in anything I've run across.

That would be the Neo Glaug or the Variable Glaug, which are basically the same concept. They were designed for the videogames, and appear in two of them: the PS1 Macross Pluss game from 2000 and the Dreamcast Macross M3 game from 2001. It's a very cool design, all told, fully variable (it has a battloid form, too) and even regular zentran and UNS variants:

http://www.macross2.net/m3/macrossga/vglaug.htm
http://www.macross2.net/m3/macrossga/vglaug-uns.htm

 Stormonu wrote:
Hey Mike, in those files there's a Zent Officer Pod that changes into what looks like a YF-4 fighter - is that actually from one of the Macross series or PB books? I don't remember seeing it in anything I've run across.

Same with the Robotech Masters file - there's some half-battlepod things I don't recognize there. Where did they come from? They look like Long artwork.

Albertorius is right on the Glaug thing. I made these in 2013 after the KS and used all the units I thought would be needed or fun to use. The scouts are a bit too big but overall the scale is pretty close.