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Soul Samurai wrote:
Interesting, I did not know about those. Have you ever tried them with thinned acrylic paint rather than ink? That's an idea that I've been curious about in the past.

That would be awesome. Never thought about that. Maybe using washes, miniature "inks" etc
Gonna look in town if I can find something alike

 Nesbet wrote:

Soul Samurai wrote:
Interesting, I did not know about those. Have you ever tried them with thinned acrylic paint rather than ink? That's an idea that I've been curious about in the past.

That would be awesome. Never thought about that. Maybe using washes, miniature "inks" etc
Gonna look in town if I can find something alike

I have been... hesitant to do that since I had a couple instances of the ink drying in the tube.
I think it would work, if not, just add some flow aid.
I could try it out.
It could be helpful for the outlining we showed with the pods but using a darker colour say a "blood red" in the case of Nesbet's pods.
I think much like an airbrush they would need to be cleaned promptly after use.
The thicker pens may work well I would caution though that any little slip is easily seen since it is such a "sharp" edge it leaves behind.

You darn people and your good ideas... I suddenly have an idea for some models I am working on.
I am just trying to think where I would use this as an outline method where a wash would not be good enough?
The tiny detail writing I agree is the hands-down method of choice.

I would be very interested to know the results if anyone does try it. At this point I'm tempted to pick up one of those pens and experiment; perhaps I'll add it to the list for next month's purchases (already spent my hobby budget for this month).

Battletech Lights and Heavies are now complete.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/699636.page#8888516

Can you guys help me out. I want to make a force with RRT units, both can be found on the link above vs some Battletech stuff. 150 Points per side. That will likely get you an full company vs a crapload of Zentraedi, 8-10 UEDF, or 9-12 Bioroids. I also have the 3050 clanners listed and have some of those in case you want to see a battle with them.

OK, I'll admit it - I'm not all that familiar with Robotech, Battletech, Heavy Gear, etc.

Is there a legitimate reason to have Nodal Wars stuff in the Robotech RPG Tactics thread?

You mean about as legit as painting stuff being here? Yes, and more so.

Since Battletech is also 6mm scale and most people have minis from both and Nodal Wars allows them to play with all of their minis.

Also, Nodal Wars was originally written to allow RRT players to play RRT as a smaller skirmish type game without the hundreds of miniatures that the game's Squadrons force players to use.

Whereas painting can have a painting thread right?


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Notice I'm asking to choose RRT stuff vs other stuff to help playtest rules and game balance of using other universes. I want to play RRT, but we all know it's not going anywhere. If you want to use your RRT stuff, you must have alternatives.

Mike, you're a smart guy, don't play dumb.

People talking about painting is not the equivalent of you gushing about your adapted rules set and you know it.

From Rick and Nesbet and Talizvar and others, there are indeed people painting minis in here, RRT, "Custom Wave 2" and otherwise.

The number of people on Dakka playing "Nodal Wars" appears to be... you. Last I checked the "Nodal Wars" thread has you posting when you jot down some new material and that's about it. People seem generally supportive of someone taking things into their own hands and going full Game Modifier/Designer to better accommodate their needs, let alone offering it up to the public, but the public's general reaction (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here) seems to be "... meh."

You have a Nodal Wars FB group, and a Nodal Wars Dakka thread, and comment on it occasionally elsewhere if I'm not mistaken. Edit: and I see that on August 31st you asked the same question, and got 1 response that didn't answer your question, and most of your work gets a handful of likes.

The fact that it uses RRT minis (and is based off the RRT rules set?) doesn't make it any less of a personal pet project. And my take on it is that you know this, hence posting it in places that are not, specifically, "Nodal Wars".

I mean, you got some flak/pushback when you used to drop all kinds of adaptations in this thread for various other properties, how are you at all surprised to get some for your homebrew wargame based on an all-but-dead niche wargame?

Note: I'm not telling you what you can and cannot post here, that's the mod's prerogative, not mine. But you cannot be oblivious to the minimal (if not negligible) interest in these flights of fancy over the years?

Quick, show of hands, how many people are actually playing Nodal Wars? How many people have even read all of the material Mike has been cranking out at a pace that puts Palladium to shame? Glanced at it?

 Forar wrote:

Quick, show of hands, how many people are actually playing Nodal Wars? How many people have even read all of the material Mike has been cranking out at a pace that puts Palladium to shame? Glanced at it?

i'm not a skirmish player, its all out war or nothing, I play with hundreds of models on the board not a handful. with but a handful of models might as well play the Robotech RPG then.

 Forar wrote:
Quick, show of hands, how many people are actually playing Nodal Wars?

Not I - I'm busy enough trying to get KOG light (i.e. not Heavy Gear) squared away, and have other hobby / gaming stuff in the background. At some point, I might rework KOG light for my handfuls of RRT minis. If/when that happens, I'll be sure to post annoucements here, OK?

Also, if Nodal Wars is still under development / playtest, it might be more appropriate under Game Design?

One of the things most reported in this thread is "Off Topic" posts, of one type or another.

Reading all this, I think that the Nodal Wars stuff belongs in threads other than this one.

I think I now remember someone suggesting that Mike put a link to his various "Nodal Wars" stuff in his signature?

That sounds like a good idea.

Duly noted. And back on topic:

So, about that last PBWU...

Lots of facts and information, amirite?

Was there a PBWU last week? I unsubcribed myself from that piece of trash some time ago. Kickstarter's TOS requires the author to put updates on the KS, and that's where I expect to see them, not pleas for cash from other projects that will neither materialize nor have I any interest in.

Yeah, I can see that my stuff is way off topic compared to most of these conversations (totally sarcastic). I'll take it off these forums.

 Stormonu wrote:
Was there a PBWU last week? I unsubcribed myself from that piece of trash some time ago. Kickstarter's TOS requires the author to put updates on the KS, and that's where I expect to see them, not pleas for cash from other projects that will neither materialize nor have I any interest in.

The condensed update from the 2nd:

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™

The PDFs of Wave 2 cards are being posted on DriveThruRPG.com at a rate of 2 every day until they are ALL posted and available to you over the next several weeks. Otherwise, still waiting for that price quote and working on plans for releases.

UPDATE: Available on DriveThruRPG.com – new Wave Two Robotech® RPG Tactics™ cards every day, plus The Rifter®, Rifts® and other titles added weekly to DriveThruRPG.com

 Stormonu wrote:
Was there a PBWU last week? I unsubcribed myself from that piece of trash some time ago. Kickstarter's TOS requires the author to put updates on the KS, and that's where I expect to see them, not pleas for cash from other projects that will neither materialize nor have I any interest in.

On the positive side (no, not really) Kickstarter themselves think that sufficient progress is being made. And by "sufficient progress" I mean quarterly updates insisting that work is being done. Because that's clearly "sufficient progress".

Did I mention I'm building a time machine? I totally am. And now, according to Kickstarter's perspective, I am now making "sufficient progress" toward a time machine. Forar and Morgan, I haven't forgotten you, buddies! http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-downsides-to-working-with-sponsors/.

Anyway, the OTHER thing I learned that was interesting, when talking to Chase is that outer limit to doing a charge back is 500 days. Which is obviously way outside the limits of Simbieda's fraud/incompetence, but is something to remember when dealing with future scams.

You forgot that we are marching on towards the actual statute of limitations as well Merijeek!

@Forar,,,,,like I said I'll take it elsewhere.....I'm not playing dumb, just FULLY aware of how much other BS we tend to deviate and talk about that never gets whined about.

Rather than add to the off topic conversation about off topic conversations, I will pm you my thoughts on that matter.

Edit: is that irony? It feels like irony.

A lot of Off Topic posts in threads are actually posts complaining about Off Topic posts.

Just use the Mod Alert system and someone will take a look at it/take care of it - thanks!

Well, I can always be set on the straight an narrow by the MODs but I figure in this thread on-topic is:

- Talk about the various missives PB puts out that refers to RRT: that for quite some time can peter-out in 3 posts or less.
- Various ways we are trying to keep the "game alive" in our own courts and try to give some motivation to others.
- The painting of the figures should give some inspiration to dust the things off: you are more likely to play if they are painted.
- The pictures in general of the models are always a good thing.
- Any coverage of a game played is nice to see.
- Rules discussions of the game is always helpful to deal with elements that may be "not quite right" in the game.
- Rules re-writes are certainly interesting but seems more like hijacking the game rather moving it along.
- How to make/buy/cast our own version of the "unseen" wave2 is a genuine attempt to "fulfil" the game to it's full potential.
- The occasional discussion of comments at the KS site is always on topic.
- The pushing along the "official" cards is great, prior to that, the interim cards Mike provided were always appreciated.
- Sure, throwing some RRT models into Battletech is a good and viable thing to do, I am SO happy to have my Warhammer, Riflemen, Longbow and Archer now.

I will also give a show of hands and say I read most (sorry) of the rules for Nodal wars and kept wondering why Battletech: Alphastike from Catalyst did not meet the need.

But I think the real issue against talking about Nodal Wars is that it is a product being advertised: Mike has a vested interest, I do not have a painting product or business I am involved in so painting is just that: talking about an element of the hobby that includes RRT. Plus I feel some measure of guilt not supporting it as much as it probably deserves but life is short.

About the only successful "progress" we can gain inspiration from with RRT is how far we all have got with our models and getting games in.

<edit> I will now end my off-topic posts about off-topic...

I happened upon some Rotring Isograph pens today, and decided to buy a .5mm pen and give it a try with Acrylics.

The results are thusly:


This was heavily thinned red paint (Citadel Blood Red). I think it came out OK for a first test, though cleaning the pen afterwards is a bit of a pain. It's a bit too thick, I might have to buy a thinner tipped-pen.

So would you guys use something like this for filling in the detail on RRT mechs with solid black to get that bold cartoony look, or is it more for penning numbers and that sort of thing?

I'd use them to blackline - I like that look!

Soul Samurai wrote:
I happened upon some Rotring Isograph pens today, and decided to buy a .5mm pen and give it a try with Acrylics.
The results are thusly:

Spoiler:

This was heavily thinned red paint (Citadel Blood Red). I think it came out OK for a first test, though cleaning the pen afterwards is a bit of a pain. It's a bit too thick, I might have to buy a thinner tipped-pen.
So would you guys use something like this for filling in the detail on RRT mechs with solid black to get that bold cartoony look, or is it more for penning numbers and that sort of thing?

I have noticed acrylic "inks" on the market which some people use to airbrush straight out of the pot.
Looking here: http://www.liquitex.com/Ink/ they actually say it is meant for technical pens and airbrush.
Another supplier here: http://www.daler-rowney.com/content/fw-artists-inks
And this last guy I found: http://m.rohrer-klingner.de/?page_id=46&lang=en

Soul Samurai wrote:
I happened upon some Rotring Isograph pens today, and decided to buy a .5mm pen and give it a try with Acrylics.

The results are thusly:


This was heavily thinned red paint (Citadel Blood Red). I think it came out OK for a first test, though cleaning the pen afterwards is a bit of a pain. It's a bit too thick, I might have to buy a thinner tipped-pen.

So would you guys use something like this for filling in the detail on RRT mechs with solid black to get that bold cartoony look, or is it more for penning numbers and that sort of thing?

Should have written "MAC II -- Monster on it".

Closest you'll ever get!

Talizvar wrote:I have noticed acrylic "inks" on the market which some people use to airbrush straight out of the pot.
Looking here: http://www.liquitex.com/Ink/ they actually say it is meant for technical pens and airbrush.
Another supplier here: http://www.daler-rowney.com/content/fw-artists-inks
And this last guy I found: http://m.rohrer-klingner.de/?page_id=46&lang=en

I've never heard of those before. Interesting, I might have to give them a try.

Merijeek wrote:Should have written "MAC II -- Monster on it".

Closest you'll ever get!

Heh, probably true.

For black lining you can get Micron brand pens at most art or craft supply stores. They go down to .05mm so they can do stuff super thin. However the formula in acrylic paint tends to dry them out very quickly so it's best to put down all the base colors then use a clear coat which really helps extend the pen's life. Once all the black lining is done you go back over the model with a layer of dull coat which gets rid of the shine from the gloss coat and also dulls the inked black lines while locking it in permanently. (while the ink looks matte on paper the ink is rather shiny when it's on top of paint)

You can also get a pretty good range of paint pens from Bandai which were designed for working on gundam models.

I use the "Micron pens" as is for black lining and at least for me they are excellent in value and results

I have also had great results with the "Gundam" panel liners but a word of warning, if you use these. Do not used lacquer based varnishes afterwards they simply wash all your hard work away. I only did this once. so from then on made sure I used water based varnishes, there are some really hard wearing matt finishes out there at a fraction you pay for "model making" tins/spray cans.

New Kickstarter Update. In the sense that it updates the days since the last meaningless drivel.

First, there's an apology for the long silence. Because that's an uncommon occurance they have no control over.

Then to the bullet points.

Number one. I'm glad they decided to inform backers of the Kickstarter two weeks after the fact, that they're putting up cards on DTRPG. So... umm yay?

Number two. Still with the "We're talking to manufacturers, and working on parts count". As I pointed out to Forar, the wording of "if at all possible" doesn't help their case. That there's not even a timeframe on the manufacturer's quote (days, weeks, months), isn't heartening for those wanting real news.

Number three. More "We're totally working on other stuff to make the game great" with zero details. The only thing they can point to, is a scenario book that has previously been reported as put together by a volunteer and given to PB.

Then the epilogue. If you want minor news, subscribe to the newsletter. But "real news" will be posted here on Kickstarter. Even though the first bullet point took 10 days to get posted, and nothing in the above seems like it needed to wait those 10 days.

So, more wankery from Wayne. *rolls eyes*

Update #195

Sep 9 2016
Wave Two Cards on DriveThruRPG
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Hey, guys. It’s Wayne. Sorry for the long silence. Here’s what’s been going on:

1. Wave Two cards on DriveThruRPG.com. For the last two weeks, and for the next several weeks, I’m posting all cards for Robotech® RPG Tactics™ as free PDFs on DriveThruRPG.com. They’re going up at a rate of two per day, starting with cards from Wave Two. Once those are done, I’ll put all the Wave One cards up there as well. This is to help you guys plan your armies and test changes you’re thinking about, as well as test strategies with game pieces you’re considering adding to your collection.

In the next month or so, I’ll also begin putting Print On Demand versions of the cards up there. I’ll start with the Stat and Character cards, because those are standard US Poker size, which is one of DriveThru’s POD card size options. As for the large (Core Force/Squadron) and small (Support/Special) cards, I’m going to have to redesign those to fit DriveThru’s available POD formats, so they’ll take longer.

2. Talking to manufacturers. We’re currently waiting on a quote from one manufacturer, and talking to another about the possibility of producing Wave Two. We’re determined to reduce the part count dramatically if at all possible, and that has been a focus of our search for the manufacturer who can create the highest quality product.

3. RRT scenario books. Some of you may have seen a mock-up of a Robotech® RPG Tactics™ scenario book at our booth at Gen Con. We have a few different supporting products like that in the works, in an effort to help round out and support the game before and after Wave Two finally comes out.

That’s all the news I have to share today. Remember, for more frequent, minor updates, watch our Weekly Update mailings, also posted on our website, www.palladiumbooks.com. Whenever there are major announcements or significant developments, I will of course post them here.

They HAVE to know that they HAVE to post DETAILS.

The fact that they don't - that they deliberately dance around them - doesn't bode well.

 Alpharius wrote:
They HAVE to know that they HAVE to post DETAILS.

The fact that they don't - that they deliberately dance around them - doesn't bode well.

But they do have details. They're just not willing to share those, because they know it'll make them look even more incompetent or unable to complete the project.

When did they put in their submission to the manufacturer? Is this the same manufacturer from umpteen months ago? How many manufacturers have they submitted quotes to? What was the point of failure on submitted quotes?

Obviously, the last one is iffy, as would be "Which manufacturers?".

But they've been spinning this line almost as long as "parts counts". It doesn't take THAT long to get a frikking quote. Sure, there might be some minor quibbling later, but you should be able to get a good "OK, let's procede for now" quote in a matter of days, a week at most. That this has been MONTHS, with no sign of completing (as they're now looking at yet another manufacturer), indicates that PB just aren't serious about it.