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Exactly!

PB isn't fooling anyone here - other than maybe themselves.

Yup. IDGAF about cards. I just care about the models I paid for. The cards are worthless to me.

You'll take cards or you'll get nothing.

Seriously, those are your two options.

Or, I could pass out the torches and pitchforks!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Or, I could pass out the torches and pitchforks!

been there, done that, but until the rest of the backers group together and act like one, nothing will get done for them.

But guys, they are totally making a book to support the game before and after wave two! We'll have a new book, before wave 2!

I wonder how willing PB is to send me products as a preorder for my money and I will send them periodical notices saying that I am working on it.




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Asterios wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Or, I could pass out the torches and pitchforks!

been there, done that, but until the rest of the backers group together and act like one, nothing will get done for them.

You were so successful at it, an obvious example to follow...

So I just read the Robotech RPG wiki article and found this:

"What has been delivered so far has been substandard in quality compared to even low end wargame miniatures manufacturers. This has been noted by multiple miniature wargaming sites and model builders, such as talkwargaming,[4] theminaturespage forums [5](where use of scale model rather than game miniature manufacturing processes was noted), and deltavector,[6] who perhaps says it best in summary:

"Basically, the miniatures are all like mini 1:300 versions of 1:48 Revell kits rather than wargaming pieces. It's like they have no idea who their target audience is"

Even more on the page in the RRT section:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robotech_(role-playing_game)

Swabby, although I agree that these statements are essentially true, the "pedia entries are writtemn from a lopsided view.

Anyway back to the update, what is missing is the qualification from the PBWU were the same person tells everyone there that the "magic " quote may not arrive for another couple of weeks.

Why was this not in the backer update? Oh wait I already know that one, ala Kevin "they will get tetchy and annoyed with PB for no reason, we are working flat out to get these ungrateful wretches their toys and all we get is whining and no fawning admiration"

wilycoyote wrote:
Swabby, although I agree that these statements are essentially true, the "pedia entries are writtemn from a lopsided view.

Anyway back to the update, what is missing is the qualification from the PBWU were the same person tells everyone there that the "magic " quote may not arrive for another couple of weeks.

Why was this not in the backer update? Oh wait I already know that one, ala Kevin "they will get tetchy and annoyed with PB for no reason, we are working flat out to get these ungrateful wretches their toys and all we get is whining and no fawning admiration"

Well, to be clear (unless I've missed it elsewhere), there isn't even a timeframe of a couple of weeks.

"Apparently that one quote for manufacturing is going to take awhile, so we are getting others from different companies as well as working on plans for upcoming releases like the Robotech® Ghost Fleet sourcebook and RRT scenario books."

And remember back on April 15th, they said...

"As I mentioned to some of you at AdeptiCon, we recently got some tooling quotes for Wave Two, and we’re discussing specifics with the manufacturer. I’ll keep you updated when we know more."

So, either this set of quotes has been going on for five months and counting, OR those negotiations fell through, and PB didn't update when they knew more (because "Nope, not going with them" IS more knowledge than they had).

Hell, the use of the word "awhile" instead of "soon" in the PBWU should send shivers down the spine of anyone who knows what Palladium's definition of "soon" is.

of course PB is having problems with finding quotes, since how many manufacturers will do it for free or for RRT stock? or drawings signed by Kevin ?


also at this point i'm trying to figure out how I will sell my stuff off since there is no point continuing with a dead game, and can only fly them around going pew pew pew so much.

such a pity watching an auction on eBay which has 3 starter sets that will end soon with only one bid of $69.99

Yeah it is a scavengers market now. I have picked up two wave one + bonus sets for less than I kickstarter one set for in the past month and prices are still plummeting. I think we can finally say the vast majority of backers have finally seen the reality of the situation.

 Swabby wrote:
Yeah it is a scavengers market now. I have picked up two wave one + bonus sets for less than I kickstarter one set for in the past month and prices are still plummeting. I think we can finally say the vast majority of backers have finally seen the reality of the situation.

yeah debating if I should assemble my stuff before listing since completed models might sell better, hopefully.

 Swabby wrote:
Yeah it is a scavengers market now. I have picked up two wave one + bonus sets for less than I kickstarter one set for in the past month and prices are still plummeting. I think we can finally say the vast majority of backers have finally seen the reality of the situation.

Definitely glad I sold off most of my wave one right when it launched. Basically broke even, and I still have a core box+ left over, and frankly I ponder getting rid of more of that.

It's a shame so many people contributed so much to something that left them so disappointed. I'm not happy more people are leaving the game or clearing out space or whatever the reason, but the line of how we got to this point isn't surprising either, based on how PB has been treating the backers and product.

Asterios wrote:

 Swabby wrote:
Yeah it is a scavengers market now. I have picked up two wave one + bonus sets for less than I kickstarter one set for in the past month and prices are still plummeting. I think we can finally say the vast majority of backers have finally seen the reality of the situation.

yeah debating if I should assemble my stuff before listing since completed models might sell better, hopefully.

IME, you always get more for still-on-sprue. (Awesome paint jobs excepted, of course)

This clusterfeth may,of course, be an exception, do to the fethtarded nature of the product actually produced.

Merijeek wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 Swabby wrote:
Yeah it is a scavengers market now. I have picked up two wave one + bonus sets for less than I kickstarter one set for in the past month and prices are still plummeting. I think we can finally say the vast majority of backers have finally seen the reality of the situation.

yeah debating if I should assemble my stuff before listing since completed models might sell better, hopefully.

IME, you always get more for still-on-sprue. (Awesome paint jobs excepted, of course)

This clusterfeth may,of course, be an exception, do to the fethtarded nature of the product actually produced.

yeah i'm always a on sprue buyer, but with these minis it may be a better option built, since noticed quite a few built ones selling and the paint jobs well I've seen 3 year olds do better jobs.

Asterios wrote:

 Swabby wrote:
Yeah it is a scavengers market now. I have picked up two wave one + bonus sets for less than I kickstarter one set for in the past month and prices are still plummeting. I think we can finally say the vast majority of backers have finally seen the reality of the situation.

yeah debating if I should assemble my stuff before listing since completed models might sell better, hopefully.

I'm not sure if the bottom has been hit, but it always makes me wonder what my Sedition Wars stuff is going for... It looks like some people are buying SW for $50+, which is higher than it was the last time I looked. I think SW has now finished being cleared out. Maybe I should sell my assembled core box. Hm.

For RRT specifically, I think there is no loss in value for a nicely-assembled set compared to NOS. It's a lot of work to build these, and anyone who just wants to play VTs vs Pods would be well-served with a preassembled set. That said, if you haven't started on any of it, list it NOS / NIB / NISB. I guarantee you won't recover the minimum wage value of whatever time you spend assembling it. And if you're unloading, you're better of not throwing your time at it. Spend time on stuff you keep, not stuff you sell.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 Swabby wrote:
Yeah it is a scavengers market now. I have picked up two wave one + bonus sets for less than I kickstarter one set for in the past month and prices are still plummeting. I think we can finally say the vast majority of backers have finally seen the reality of the situation.

yeah debating if I should assemble my stuff before listing since completed models might sell better, hopefully.

I'm not sure if the bottom has been hit, but it always makes me wonder what my Sedition Wars stuff is going for... It looks like some people are buying SW for $50+, which is higher than it was the last time I looked. I think SW has now finished being cleared out. Maybe I should sell my assembled core box. Hm.

For RRT specifically, I think there is no loss in value for a nicely-assembled set compared to NOS. It's a lot of work to build these, and anyone who just wants to play VTs vs Pods would be well-served with a preassembled set. That said, if you haven't started on any of it, list it NOS / NIB / NISB. I guarantee you won't recover the minimum wage value of whatever time you spend assembling it. And if you're unloading, you're better of not throwing your time at it. Spend time on stuff you keep, not stuff you sell.

well only things I got left to build is some veritech with Supers parts, some glaugs and recovery pods and a bunch of my Alt. items, question is when I sell where to sell? on eBay? or ?

eBay, the swap shop, or bartertown.

 Swabby wrote:
eBay, the swap shop, or bartertown.

yeah next question going thru my mind is as lots? or individually? or as small lots? or ?

If I recall correctly you have a ton of stuff. You will probably make more in smaller chunks. If you just want to dump it prepare for deep cuts.

 Swabby wrote:
IfI recall correctly you have a ton of stuff. You will probably make more in smaller chunks. If you just want to dump it prepare for deep cuts.

well i'll think on it, now back to our regularly scheduled rant on PB's failure to deliver.

Asterios wrote:
of course PB is having problems with finding quotes, since how many manufacturers will do it for free or for RRT stock? or drawings signed by Kevin ?

Ha! Good one.

Unfortunately also most likely true.

No sense wasting the time saying what why know about PB. They suck. Period.

First batch of Regults ready. Well, still missing decals and varnish, but no more paint for them.






Coming next are another bunch of 18 Regults, just as these, but flying.
Then artillery. Still thinking about the colour swap for artillery and scouts.


For artillery I'm thinking about something in between C and D or between D and E. Not sure yet. What do you say?

Nice work on the pods, Nesbet, I actually thought your first pic was a cel shaded image at first glance.

Those are nice; very sharp painting!

How to take simple miniatures and make them look stunning.
Funny how certain models benefit greatly by black lining.

Those pods look great! I too went the cell shading route, which as it turns out can be extremely difficult!

This is a defender that I am still working on, have to do some major touch up and other stuff prior to decaling.

That's... actually the first time I've ever looked at a defender and thought it looked good. Kudos!

Ya'lls paint jobs make me terribly envious. I have such difficulty with the details on these things.