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 Nesbet wrote:
damn you PB, you piss me off every single week.

I would agree with this statement.
I have no idea what kind of special place they work in or what kind of prescribed or otherwise medication they take to rationalize the way they do.

This little blurb has many levels.
Right now, even if throwing under the bus happens: who cares?

 Stormonu wrote:
And they're still not finished putting up Wave 2 cards? That's ... Actually quite like PB, considering they could have done it in one fell swoop in an afternoon.

Palladium didn't adopt desktop publishing until, what, the mid-2000s? Probably when the waxer finally broke down. They're probably hand-writing the postscript code for the PDFs or something...

 Balance wrote:
Palladium didn't adopt desktop publishing until, what, the mid-2000s? Probably when the waxer finally broke down. They're probably hand-writing the postscript code for the PDFs or something...

That is assuming a certain level of skill/knowledge was picked-up no matter how old it may be, I doubt any of them there have/had that kind of chess-club brain.

 Balance wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
And they're still not finished putting up Wave 2 cards? That's ... Actually quite like PB, considering they could have done it in one fell swoop in an afternoon.

Palladium didn't adopt desktop publishing until, what, the mid-2000s? Probably when the waxer finally broke down. They're probably hand-writing the postscript code for the PDFs or something...

And probably uploading it from a public library computer, so they have to wait for the school kids to get off...

I honestly do not understand what the intent is behind this two cards a day thing. It almost seems like a marketing thing that somehow lost its way before it even started.

Maybe they have dialup internet only? That would explain a lot of their issues.

The cynic in me thinks it's a mixture of delaying tactic and way to pad the number of updates/demonstrate that they are still working on this product on a daily basis.

The hopeful part of me is that this is a count down to a surprise announcement in disguise.

Jefffar wrote:
The cynic in me thinks it's a mixture of delaying tactic and way to pad the number of updates/demonstrate that they are still working on this product on a daily basis.

The hopeful part of me is that this is a count down to a surprise announcement in disguise.

Wow.... what does the realist say?

The realist in me just sort of gives a shrug and goes back to more meaningful pursuits.

What update did they put the MSRP in? Drawing a blank, but remember seeing it at one point. Was curious how much they marked everything up later.

Four days between posts? Heh, I think that might be a record for this thread!

 megatrons2nd wrote:
What update did they put the MSRP in? Drawing a blank, but remember seeing it at one point. Was curious how much they marked everything up later.

I don't think it was in an update. I think it may have been in a Newsletter, but I think we first caught that when some site announced the initial products (Retail Wave One, which eventually became Wave One, Period).

Soul Samurai wrote:
Four days between posts? Heh, I think that might be a record for this thread!

I'm more amazed it was me they gave the last word to for that long.

I want to say MRSP wasn't announced on the Kickstarter, but maybe on Palladiums own page. I'm not at home so can't check though.

It isn't just here that has stalled post-wise. The Facebook groups. PB forums, and the kickstarter comments are all dead.

I think we are actually seeing some kind of endgame play out as people are moving on now.

Heh, I moved on a long time ago. I revisit this thread only occasionally, and maybe the most fervent wish of Keven S. is coming true: People are moving on, they are apathetic and don't care anymore, and he is going to get away with it.

Stay tuned for next year when a new Kickstarter is launched! LOL

I moved on. I got sick of the wait and BS here with the comments and also PB in general. I visit here periodically but don't post very often and no longer actively work to find pictures and more to maintain interest on the Facebook page. I've even contemplated handing it over a few times.


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Sick of the "Please support our game because all we want to do is pretend we are important and make money but have no interest in actively doing anything ourselves."

I would gladly trade my outstanding Kickstarter items to just give Kevin a punch in the face. 10 bucks per minute in any boxing ring.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I would gladly trade my outstanding Kickstarter items to just give Kevin a punch in the face. 10 bucks per minute in any boxing ring.

Kevin's newest Kickstarter where you can bid on packages from throwing pies in his face (ALA: Kevin Johnson recently) to getting in the boxing ring with him will be their biggest kickstarter ever.

I swear I saw an expected MSRP list and then some of the items went up by a largish amount......Btu then I've been working a ton, and it was a very long time ago.

I found I was happier not complaining about PB and RRT.
I might have missed you bunch a bit though.

I have been building up my Bolt Action army for the new game rule revision so RRT models got zero love out of me for quite some time.

When I do get back to them I think I will be happy. The selection of models for wave 2 not produced by Palladium will keep my happy.

Kevin likes attention. Not delivering and having our money also gave him a captive audience. Funny how a $100 is worth losing to ignore that narcissist.

 megatrons2nd wrote:
I swear I saw an expected MSRP list and then some of the items went up by a largish amount......Btu then I've been working a ton, and it was a very long time ago.

They briefly had MSRP's on the Kickstarter Campaign page, then took them down.

Months later (as I recall), sometime in mid 2013, some site announced the items that would be available at retail first (Core box, 2 destroid packs, VT pack, Pod pack, Artillery Pod pack, Command Pod pack), people noticed those prices had gone up around 20%. It didn't really seem to matter much at the time (to backers, at least), and was even noted as a reason we got an even better deal (I myself may have been guilty of making this argument at the time).

When PB announced in January of 2014 that there would be two waves, it was a big "oooooh, that makes sense" moment where "Retail Wave One" was now just "Wave One, Period."

So we had tentative MSRPs, which later proved inaccurate, and not surprisingly so, as PB massively increased their shipping costs with two waves (if they ever get around to that second wave) and has complained that the molds ended up costing twice what they'd expected as well.

 Forar wrote:

 megatrons2nd wrote:
I swear I saw an expected MSRP list and then some of the items went up by a largish amount......Btu then I've been working a ton, and it was a very long time ago.

They briefly had MSRP's on the Kickstarter Campaign page, then took them down.

Months later (as I recall), sometime in mid 2013, some site announced the items that would be available at retail first (Core box, 2 destroid packs, VT pack, Pod pack, Artillery Pod pack, Command Pod pack), people noticed those prices had gone up around 20%. It didn't really seem to matter much at the time (to backers, at least), and was even noted as a reason we got an even better deal (I myself may have been guilty of making this argument at the time).

When PB announced in January of 2014 that there would be two waves, it was a big "oooooh, that makes sense" moment where "Retail Wave One" was now just "Wave One, Period."

So we had tentative MSRPs, which later proved inaccurate, and not surprisingly so, as PB massively increased their shipping costs with two waves (if they ever get around to that second wave) and has complained that the molds ended up costing twice what they'd expected as well.

Thank you. I wish I had taken a screen shot of it. If anyone has a screen shot of it, could you pm me a copy? Just collating my information.

Ok, PB started today uploading wave 1 cards...
Anyone willing to count how many days left until Wayne has nothing else to upload?
And what will happen then when that happens...

 Nesbet wrote:
Ok, PB started today uploading wave 1 cards...
Anyone willing to count how many days left until Wayne has nothing else to upload?
And what will happen then when that happens...

I didn't realize they were changing wave 1 stuff. Have they said what is changing? As for what happens after he's done uploading, my guess is the another Year of SilenceTM.

Think I am bitterly slipping into not caring at this point.
Wonder what those folks at PB consider to be a good days work?

Changing? LOL
Those are the same 2014 cards, just cut from the original PDF in several individual pages to upload 2 cards/day...

They are just uploading wave 1 cards, the same we have. Because of reasons.

No one has even said something about what happens when Wayne ends uploading the "2cardseachday-thing". Im just guessing that something could happen. Hopefully not another Year of SilenceTM.

I feel like posting the cards is meant to keep HG quiet, as they indicated that they are pushing PB to get this moving.

 Nesbet wrote:
Changing? LOL
Those are the same 2014 cards, just cut from the original PDF in several individual pages to upload 2 cards/day...

They are just uploading wave 1 cards, the same we have. Because of reasons.

No one has even said something about what happens when Wayne ends uploading the "2cardseachday-thing". Im just guessing that something could happen. Hopefully not another Year of SilenceTM.

Thanks for the clarification about it being just busy work.

When they finish the wave 1 cards, they'll put up the conventional units [/sarcasm]

I have tried to bitterly keep from falling into apathy to keep Kevin from winning. But the truth is, I couldn't care any less anymore. For me, this has become a lost cause, and I have better things to occupy my time than brooding on my hate and loathing for PB, Kevin and KS in gneral.

I don't see me ever finish painting the minis I have at this point - I keep piling other minis for games I'll actually play onto the plate before them. I'd never use PB rules anyway and at this point if anyone were to ask me about PB products, I'd tell them the company went out of business long ago. It's not lke they are producing any content to counter that statement anyway.

 n815e wrote:
I feel like posting the cards is meant to keep HG quiet, as they indicated that they are pushing PB to get this moving.

I just can't see that. HG has the same willful blindness, and for the same reason for that blindness, that Kickstarter does.