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 Stormonu wrote:


I mean, at this point, it took less time for the actual Robotech war to occur. By now, the SDF-1 had enough time to travel back from Pluto, fight above Earth and reconstruct the planet afterwards.

That is horrifying to think about.

I think it has taken longer than producing the series to begin with.

 Stormonu wrote:


At the place I work, vendors quotes were always only good for 30 days - at most. That they have been stringing us along this long just compiles on the proof that this is the KS that, despite all good sense, just refuses to properly die and be done with it so we can all move on.

That's the key part. In my admittedly very outdated experience, those types of quotes are only good for 30-60 days (even if they don't actually start producing for much longer, you have that long to pay and lock in the rate). When palladium supposedly waits 1-3 months for a quote for a manufacturer, whatever they're trying to compare it to is already defunct. That of course assumes that they're not just rejecting reasonable quotes outright until someone gives them the ridiculously lowball offer that they think they deserve because they're special that fits in with their remaining funds since they supposedly spent most of the backer money for our wave 2 rewards on retail wave 1 product instead of using their own cash/credit. I don't think they'll ever admit total failure on the remaining rewards until some statute of limitations runs out because they might believe it opens them up potentially to litigation.

...since they supposedly spent most of the backer money for our wave 2 rewards on retail wave 1 product instead of using their own cash/credit...

Do we know this for certain?

I mean, it certainly sounds plausible, but I'm sure Palladium hasn't admitted as such.

Do we have insider info here, or are we just connecting the reasonable dots?

 Alpharius wrote:

...since they supposedly spent most of the backer money for our wave 2 rewards on retail wave 1 product instead of using their own cash/credit...

Do we know this for certain?

I mean, it certainly sounds plausible, but I'm sure Palladium hasn't admitted as such.

Do we have insider info here, or are we just connecting the reasonable dots?

No, just rumors and educated guesses. Jaymz said a while back that he got some insider info from an unknown source confirming this but obviously I wasn't privy to that conversation. Folks combined that with attendees from the last open house stating there many pallets of unsold robotech items sitting in their warehouse a year after wave 1 arrived along with no word on palladium about a second shipment of wave 1 from the manufacturer afterwards. They've been cutting back expenses for over a decade since the Crisis of TreacheryTM and then suddenly had the money to buy thousands of retail copies of wave 1 after they convientently got backer funds that were supposed to go to game development and rewards (not retail) production. So far, filling in the blanks while assuming the worst has been the most accurate way of predicting the course of this project since the day it funded, completely blowing official palladium press releases and updates out of the water in terms of veracity. Palladium in the meantime has done nothing to answer this question, instead preferring to deny the rare outlandish claims of spending the money on boats and luxury items. IIRC, their favorite mod white knight NMI I believe said "all money was spent on robotech" which of course does NOT exclude them spending our backer reward production budget on extra retail copies instead.

Quotes can be 60+ days if that's what you request at the time of the quote.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Quotes can be 60+ days if that's what you request at the time of the quote.

Or he asked in the quote to wait till the price came down to the price he wants to pay....

As for the extra money.. just doing simple math.. The base box set sold for $100 there was 5342 backers..
That makes $534,200 worth of product to cover.. that still leaves 900k still unaccounted for of the $1,442,312
of the backers money..

I understand not all backers pledged the same and there was box sets made from the components for the
main set... but there is a ton of money that was just gone.. used up on what??.. if there is really none left..

My personal feeling looking back...Kevin was deep in dept and most of the money cover his past due bills; then
to try to hide that they tried to go the cheapest route possible.. plus not have a clue how mold injection works
it was a train wreak from the very first after Ninja division left.

Worth keeping in mind that, as a guideline (it's not a hard and fast rule), MSRP is usually double what the wholesale price is, and the wholesale price is usually double what the factored costs for them should be (again, give or take).

So an MSRP core at $100 probably gets sold to CSI and other sites for closer to $50 (again, napkin math'd, I'm not a business major and I know there can be extenuating circumstances, contract riders, etc). Which means that, give or take, they allotted a value for production (and perhaps other aspects like shipping and whatnot) for about $25 for a core.

This is how sites can sell for 30%+ off MSRP and still turn a profit, they're using the Walmart style approach of moving high quantities of material at a lower profit margin per unit. Their 'free shipping' in the US plays into this as well; someone wants one or two things, and then adds one or two+ to the order to qualify. Even if they have a sale and drop the price considerably, it can either be to clear out things that have been sitting on shelves, or an effort to draw people in who want X or Y steeply discounted item, and hopefully snag a few other things with a better return to fill out the order.

Give or take, the napkin math Morgan and I did ages ago assumed roughly 7,000 Battle Cry tiers worth of support, between the various tiers themselves, and rounding up somewhat to account for pledge manager upgrades.

We know from the Open House and from pics of the pallets that they ordered a LOT of wave one. Even selling at wholesale (half off'ish), they *should* be coming ahead of the game. Even at a steeper discount, turning product back into cash obviously is a valuable exchange, especially when they do it directly and perhaps make up a bit more in shipping or something like that.

Hell, even selling it at a minor loss would be superior to sitting on hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of merchandise, though obviously there are limits to this, especially if they go so low that they're basically signalling the community that it's a fire sale.

I'm guessing that if anyone even hints at an interest in Robotech (not RRT, just the anime in general) that they'll use expansions to pad out the grab bags (a pack of VT's is nearly half of the expected 'value' within one! Wooo!), but I also remain skeptical that those things are bought in such massive quantities to make much of a difference in their bottom line or available resources.

But as a way to turn stuff that's building up dust on shelves and to milk people for full MSRP 'worth', it's not nothing.

 Forar wrote:
Worth keeping in mind that, as a guideline (it's not a hard and fast rule), MSRP is usually double what the wholesale price is, and the wholesale price is usually double what the factored costs for them should be (again, give or take).

So an MSRP core at $100 probably gets sold to CSI and other sites for closer to $50 (again, napkin math'd, I'm not a business major and I know there can be extenuating circumstances, contract riders, etc). Which means that, give or take, they allotted a value for production (and perhaps other aspects like shipping and whatnot) for about $25 for a core.

This is how sites can sell for 30%+ off MSRP and still turn a profit, they're using the Walmart style approach of moving high quantities of material at a lower profit margin per unit. Their 'free shipping' in the US plays into this as well; someone wants one or two things, and then adds one or two+ to the order to qualify. Even if they have a sale and drop the price considerably, it can either be to clear out things that have been sitting on shelves, or an effort to draw people in who want X or Y steeply discounted item, and hopefully snag a few other things with a better return to fill out the order.

Give or take, the napkin math Morgan and I did ages ago assumed roughly 7,000 Battle Cry tiers worth of support, between the various tiers themselves, and rounding up somewhat to account for pledge manager upgrades.

We know from the Open House and from pics of the pallets that they ordered a LOT of wave one. Even selling at wholesale (half off'ish), they *should* be coming ahead of the game. Even at a steeper discount, turning product back into cash obviously is a valuable exchange, especially when they do it directly and perhaps make up a bit more in shipping or something like that.

Hell, even selling it at a minor loss would be superior to sitting on hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of merchandise, though obviously there are limits to this, especially if they go so low that they're basically signalling the community that it's a fire sale.

I'm guessing that if anyone even hints at an interest in Robotech (not RRT, just the anime in general) that they'll use expansions to pad out the grab bags (a pack of VT's is nearly half of the expected 'value' within one! Wooo!), but I also remain skeptical that those things are bought in such massive quantities to make much of a difference in their bottom line or available resources.

But as a way to turn stuff that's building up dust on shelves and to milk people for full MSRP 'worth', it's not nothing.

actually your quote is a it high on PB's cost for a starter box, after getting it and shipping it, ea. starter box probably costs them about $17 ea. (yeah that low, when you figure the amounts they had ship of full containers) the add -on boxs probably cost them about maybe $5-7 ea. now mind you that is just production and shipping, these costs do not factor in the cost of design and making the molds for the minis, but those costs would not increase the initial cost much due to the QTY. made. (maybe add a $1 to cost), now as to what PB sold to the distributor who then sold to CSI (or if direct to CSI?), they (PB) may have doubled their cost which is usually normal, now as to what PB spent all of the wave one money on thats still a debate, they say they have the money and yet produce noting for the game, hell they didn't even have any GenCon promo item either which makes one think that maybe they are out of money but did it all go to RRT? most likely the bulk of it did, (while some debate is open about the NG stuff getting a few bucks) but then why did PB run out of money? answer is simple poor planning and a seriously lack of knowledge about the system, instead of PB coming up with new designs for getting past a certain level, maybe they should have done larger Qty's of the base game items instead.(bet they are wishing they did that now), as it goes if they stuck with the Base game models their start up would have been around $180K to $200K (which boggles the mind why they had a very low funded point) and that is just for the design and mold making and the other item designs, then you go into the cost of actually making the minis and printing up the boxs, rules, cards etc. which unit point cost is based on desired QTY. (in other words more you make the cheaper the per unit cost is).

so for those of you who say PB should do at least one model now and ship that out, it would increase their costs to the point it is not feasible, it would be like say you can send five boxs for $5 ea. or just one box for $10, you do the math.

now why do I say PB is out of money? its simple the longer they drag this out the higher their costs are going to get to get it done, i've already noticed an uptick in per unit costs across the board for miniatures and it will only get higher. what would have cost $10 to do last year already costs $12 this year and will increase even more. by PB stalling like this it shows their intentions of never doing this, and for those of you who think PB will use the money from the Rifts board game to finish this project they will not cause their is no money to be made in it, the fact they are still sitting on product from the first launch of the game tells them it is dead.

furthermore I believe even if the Rift's board game does fund, they will not even bring out the board game since they will want their cut of it, and after they get their cut, KS gets its cut, then taxs taken out, there will not be enough to even do the box for the game let alone the game itself.

As it goes PB is currently drowning in debt and barely staying afloat, their production as of late has been dropping and they are being shuttered because of their debt to companies and to the backers of RRT, right now its just a matter of time till PB declares bankruptcy protection, which they better do soon before that is not an option with our ever changing law system and people looking at Trumps bankruptcies as their poster child. (which is not that many when you look at all his ventures).

so as the story goes, there is no wave 2 or whatever of RRT ever coming out and there will be no RIFT's board game coming out even if it is funded.

The Aug 28, 2014 (Now Shipping!) update has a picture that shows there were 5,834 boxes containing 3 Core sets apiece that were shipped as part of wave one. That comes out to 17,502 core boxes alone.

Using the napkin math from above, that is ~$437,550 for the core boxes alone. Unfortunately, we don't know how many add-on boxes there were, or how much "free extras" there were. We know from Kevin's tirade that overseas shipping was about $150,000; we don't have any numbers for domestic shipping. Also, don't forget that they bought a whole new system to handle the shipping, we don't know the cost of that, but I think we can safely assume it was paid with the RRT funds.

So, that leaves us with a known cost of $587,550. We're probably looking at about 30%-100% of that for the add-ons and shipping, so total spent on actual RRT could be between $770,000 to $1.2 million already.

And that was just well over a year ago. I can't imagine the whole one new book they've put out this year has kept their lights on...

MSRP isn't the same as cost isn't the same as shipped pledge cost.

That is what I was trying to get at...
even if they charged us MSRP for the stuff we got,
they still have a ton of money left over..

 Stormonu wrote:
The Aug 28, 2014 (Now Shipping!) update has a picture that shows there were 5,834 boxes containing 3 Core sets apiece that were shipped as part of wave one. That comes out to 17,502 core boxes alone.

Using the napkin math from above, that is ~$437,550 for the core boxes alone. Unfortunately, we don't know how many add-on boxes there were, or how much "free extras" there were. We know from Kevin's tirade that overseas shipping was about $150,000; we don't have any numbers for domestic shipping. Also, don't forget that they bought a whole new system to handle the shipping, we don't know the cost of that, but I think we can safely assume it was paid with the RRT funds.

So, that leaves us with a known cost of $587,550. We're probably looking at about 30%-100% of that for the add-ons and shipping, so total spent on actual RRT could be between $770,000 to $1.2 million already.

And that was just well over a year ago. I can't imagine the whole one new book they've put out this year has kept their lights on...

you forgot development cost.

Or at least, they should.

Basically I was agreeing with you with a lot of superfluous info tacked on.

As is my way.

 Genoside07 wrote:
That is what I was trying to get at...
even if they charged us MSRP for the stuff we got,
they still have a ton of money left over..

If PB were intelligently, competently run, sure!

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Asterios wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
The Aug 28, 2014 (Now Shipping!) update has a picture that shows there were 5,834 boxes containing 3 Core sets apiece that were shipped as part of wave one. That comes out to 17,502 core boxes alone.

Using the napkin math from above, that is ~$437,550 for the core boxes alone. Unfortunately, we don't know how many add-on boxes there were, or how much "free extras" there were. We know from Kevin's tirade that overseas shipping was about $150,000; we don't have any numbers for domestic shipping. Also, don't forget that they bought a whole new system to handle the shipping, we don't know the cost of that, but I think we can safely assume it was paid with the RRT funds.

So, that leaves us with a known cost of $587,550. We're probably looking at about 30%-100% of that for the add-ons and shipping, so total spent on actual RRT could be between $770,000 to $1.2 million already.

And that was just well over a year ago. I can't imagine the whole one new book they've put out this year has kept their lights on...

you forgot development cost.

I would figure the development cost would be factored into the cost of the product, but I may be giving them too much credit in that regard.

They bragged in the original Kick-starter that is was 98% done so Developmental cost should be minimum.
But if they need to hide where the money went.. this is a great line item..

The said truth is.. Please follow me on this.. The Mighty Morphin power ranger movie trailer looks great..
We all know that Sony is in talks with Harmony Gold for the Robotech licence. So if the MMPR movie does
well there is no reason for the Robotech movie not to get green lit.. Because any Giant Robot anime
licence will grabbed up and turned into a movie if the MMPR movie is a block buster..
Now.. Harmony Gold is aware of the issues with the RRT kickstarter.. Most of the Gaming industry is also aware..
So Sony will become aware of this, if they are not already aware.. That is why i think HG is gently pushing
Palladium to get something done..
But with Sony it is a big company .. and Harmony Gold wants to sale movie rights to sale more
merchandising rights.. To get away from the steaming pile, they would force HG to drop Palladium for a better
game company for any movie tie ins.. So no licence and no money means no Wave 2.
My personal feelings is this is what is going to happen, with Kevin's long history of borderline bankruptcy
multiple times maybe the end of Palladium ; .. There will be a Robotech movie.. but no RRT wave 2.
Plus how many people play WOTC Star Wars ship battles?? Because there is a newer, better version of it
from Fantasy Flight.. This is what will happen to RRT the game will be simply be replaced.
It will only be just a warning to people of how not to handle a game..

I think you're overreaching on how popular the Robotech movie will be (if it does ever materialize - personally I think it has the same chance in Hell as the Rifts movie), and how much Sony will care about the RPG/wargame.

As an example, in the past year or two the old Star Blazers/Space Battleship Yamato live-action movie was done. It barely made a splash - just enough it got a straight-to-dvd release in the US. There is an official Star Blazers tabletop wargame that's been out for many years; it was completely unaffected by the movie release.

If a Robotech movie is actually released (again, my belief is it will sit in development/IP wrangling Hell forever), it will have zero effect on Palladium's failure of the game. Sony might urge a toy line to be created, but I can pretty much guarantee they won't touch the RPG/wargame license - that all will be HG's millstone and the fact HG hasn't dropped PB by now shows they are far too lazy to care about what it may be doing to the IP. After all, its free money fro PB, even if its a trickle - and who in their right mind would pick up the game rights now with this KS in most interested folk's mind?

The limbo we find ourselves seems "simple" to me.

Easiest explanation is PB either does not have or is unwilling to spend the money to complete the KS.

They are somewhat fearful of litigation so claiming efforts with no specific commitment are their go-to method.
As well pointed out: quotes expire.
You even run out of places to quote for you as you let them expire.
Getting more quotes = a likely "fib".

The only part not over here, is PB likes the captive audience: they may have opportunity to sell more stuff.

Did they ever do those Robotech Art Prints shown in the Kickstarter? That 17x11 one from the original 1986 Macross RPG book would be sweet. I don't think I've ever seen the left side of that piece before.

The only flaw is that it would be signed by Uncle Kev.

GabrielV wrote:
Did they ever do those Robotech Art Prints shown in the Kickstarter? That 17x11 one from the original 1986 Macross RPG book would be sweet. I don't think I've ever seen the left side of that piece before.

The only flaw is that it would be signed by Uncle Kev.

Considering the minimal effort it would take to do this, surely they have postponed the art delivery until after Wave 2 is complete.

After they recover the lost frig art it was tacked up next to.

 Genoside07 wrote:
They bragged in the original Kick-starter that is was 98% done so Developmental cost should be minimum.
But if they need to hide where the money went.. this is a great line item..

The said truth is.. Please follow me on this.. The Mighty Morphin power ranger movie trailer looks great..
We all know that Sony is in talks with Harmony Gold for the Robotech licence. So if the MMPR movie does
well there is no reason for the Robotech movie not to get green lit.. Because any Giant Robot anime
licence will grabbed up and turned into a movie if the MMPR movie is a block buster..
Now.. Harmony Gold is aware of the issues with the RRT kickstarter.. Most of the Gaming industry is also aware..
So Sony will become aware of this, if they are not already aware.. That is why i think HG is gently pushing
Palladium to get something done..
But with Sony it is a big company .. and Harmony Gold wants to sale movie rights to sale more
merchandising rights.. To get away from the steaming pile, they would force HG to drop Palladium for a better
game company for any movie tie ins.. So no licence and no money means no Wave 2.
My personal feelings is this is what is going to happen, with Kevin's long history of borderline bankruptcy
multiple times maybe the end of Palladium ; .. There will be a Robotech movie.. but no RRT wave 2.
Plus how many people play WOTC Star Wars ship battles?? Because there is a newer, better version of it
from Fantasy Flight.. This is what will happen to RRT the game will be simply be replaced.
It will only be just a warning to people of how not to handle a game..

you know how many movie rights Sony has sat on and never did anything with? them like other movie companies will buy and sit on movie rights for decades and will never do anything with them. its to prevent others from doing something with them which could create competition with Sony's own design movies and such. just because Movie company's put a few grand on a movies rights does not mean they have to make the movie.

also due to legal wrangling HG can not sell other rights to the genre just the ones they already have, which is why we got a RPG tactics instead of a table top miniatures game which they could have sold the rights to someone else. PB has the only game type rights other then electronic and no others can be made.

 Stormonu wrote:
As an example, in the past year or two the old Star Blazers/Space Battleship Yamato live-action movie was done. It barely made a splash - just enough it got a straight-to-dvd release in the US. There is an official Star Blazers tabletop wargame that's been out for many years; it was completely unaffected by the movie release.

Was it a low budget Scifi channel saturday night type movie? I didn't even hear about it (but I'm admittedly not a Yamato fan either). If so, that isn't what Sony supposedly has planned for Robotech. Now, whether or not *anything* actually happens is another point but it may not be fair to compare it to a movie that doesn't fit the same type of category planned. If the movie does end up ever getting made at an appropriate $50 million+ budget, I expect palladium to not be able to afford the probably ballooned license fee and to drop the line again... and use that as an excuse for why they won't be able to fulfill the kickstarter wave 2 rewards in 4-5 years totally beyond their control, they pinky promise! If no movie gets made, I don't see HG (and more specifically Tomy Yune and employee family/friends) passing up a minimum guaranteed yearly check from palladium in the meantime that helps justify their own salaries in the absence of any new robotech anime.

 warboss wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
As an example, in the past year or two the old Star Blazers/Space Battleship Yamato live-action movie was done. It barely made a splash - just enough it got a straight-to-dvd release in the US. There is an official Star Blazers tabletop wargame that's been out for many years; it was completely unaffected by the movie release.

Was it a low budget Scifi channel saturday night type movie? I didn't even hear about it (but I'm admittedly not a Yamato fan either). If so, that isn't what Sony supposedly has planned for Robotech. Now, whether or not *anything* actually happens is another point but it may not be fair to compare it to a movie that doesn't fit the same type of category planned. If the movie does end up ever getting made at an appropriate $50 million+ budget, I expect palladium to not be able to afford the probably ballooned license fee and to drop the line again... and use that as an excuse for why they won't be able to fulfill the kickstarter wave 2 rewards in 4-5 years totally beyond their control, they pinky promise! If no movie gets made, I don't see HG (and more specifically Tomy Yune and employee family/friends) passing up a minimum guaranteed yearly check from palladium in the meantime that helps justify their own salaries in the absence of any new robotech anime.

it was a foreign film and it was done pretty good, or at least as good as can be expected for a space opera involving large ships.

think this was the trailer for it:




here is the opening battle scene:

The live action yamato was not too shabby, but suffers from the tangled love plot as well as "dense" storyline. To be fair a lot of live action cross overs suffer the same fate, as they seem to be aimed at the existing fanvases.

If it were made I expect Robotech to be the same if it was made and remained faithful to the anime. However, can you imagine a big US sci fi summer blockbuster that cuts out from the action , so the heroine can perform a pop song?

AS for RTT, do you think Sony will merchandise the 30 year old models? Nah, they will be redesigned, so Kev's dreams of big Hollywood paydays are just that dreams and we wil still not get wave 2

 warboss wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
As an example, in the past year or two the old Star Blazers/Space Battleship Yamato live-action movie was done. It barely made a splash - just enough it got a straight-to-dvd release in the US. There is an official Star Blazers tabletop wargame that's been out for many years; it was completely unaffected by the movie release.

Was it a low budget Scifi channel saturday night type movie? I didn't even hear about it (but I'm admittedly not a Yamato fan either). If so, that isn't what Sony supposedly has planned for Robotech. Now, whether or not *anything* actually happens is another point but it may not be fair to compare it to a movie that doesn't fit the same type of category planned. If the movie does end up ever getting made at an appropriate $50 million+ budget, I expect palladium to not be able to afford the probably ballooned license fee and to drop the line again... and use that as an excuse for why they won't be able to fulfill the kickstarter wave 2 rewards in 4-5 years totally beyond their control, they pinky promise! If no movie gets made, I don't see HG (and more specifically Tomy Yune and employee family/friends) passing up a minimum guaranteed yearly check from palladium in the meantime that helps justify their own salaries in the absence of any new robotech anime.

Space Battleship Yamato (done in 2010, it appears) had a $12 million budget and was distributed by Toho (y'know, makers of the japanese godzilla films), so not a SciFi special. As posted above, I can't imagine Robotech would be any higher quality. I don't see it as a property Sony would be worth risking $50 million; it has very little name recognition outside of its 30+ year-old fanbase, unlike say Transformers, which you can still grab toys for in places like Walmart and such.

PB's big problem will be the IP payments to HG down the road, movie or not; if the funds haven't been wiped out keeping the license up, they soon will be - PB's production schedule can't keep them afloat and they can only sell so much old stock before they have to pay for more.

 Stormonu wrote:

PB's big problem will be the IP payments to HG down the road, movie or not; if the funds haven't been wiped out keeping the license up, they soon will be - PB's production schedule can't keep them afloat and they can only sell so much old stock before they have to pay for more.

thing of it is, if PB loses the license then they are culpable for refunds, they can no longer stall or drag it out, they will have to refund since they can no longer put the game out. and not sure what will become of their left over stock if they can still sell it or not ?

Asterios wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

PB's big problem will be the IP payments to HG down the road, movie or not; if the funds haven't been wiped out keeping the license up, they soon will be - PB's production schedule can't keep them afloat and they can only sell so much old stock before they have to pay for more.

thing of it is, if PB loses the license then they are culpable for refunds, they can no longer stall or drag it out, they will have to refund since they can no longer put the game out. and not sure what will become of their left over stock if they can still sell it or not ?

Yep, they'd have to start issuing refunds if that happened, and we all know that would truly and finally be the end of them. We would then know the stat of this Schordinger cat, though.

Not sure about the overstock, but it would be fitting if they ended up buried next to the copies of the Atari 2600 E.T. Games buried out in the desert (with a Resin SDF-1 sticking out of the sand like the prow of the Yamato?)

 Stormonu wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

PB's big problem will be the IP payments to HG down the road, movie or not; if the funds haven't been wiped out keeping the license up, they soon will be - PB's production schedule can't keep them afloat and they can only sell so much old stock before they have to pay for more.

thing of it is, if PB loses the license then they are culpable for refunds, they can no longer stall or drag it out, they will have to refund since they can no longer put the game out. and not sure what will become of their left over stock if they can still sell it or not ?

Yep, they'd have to start issuing refunds if that happened, and we all know that would truly and finally be the end of them. We would then know the stat of this Schordinger cat, though.

Not sure about the overstock, but it would be fitting if they ended up buried next to the copies of the Atari 2600 E.T. Games buried out in the desert (with a Resin SDF-1 sticking out of the sand like the prow of the Yamato?)

actually a large allotment of those ET games were dug up and are or were being auctioned off: