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 jaymz wrote:
So..got a couple of pics from a friend who gets a Rifter Subscription...seems that PB is doing more than just talking up the Rifts BG in the weekly updates.......but helping flat out advertise it.

This was in the Rifter he just received:
http://www.worldofjaymz.ca/riftsbg1.jpg
http://www.worldofjaymz.ca/riftsbg2.jpg

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There is an email on the card....to get in on the early bird discount even if you miss the early bird time frame.

Interesting...surely the flyers had to be paid for and printed before things went downhill, I wonder if they were bagged before the incident with Carmen and Uncle Kev didn't want to waste the money opening the baggies and removing the flyers. So I guess the KS is still going forward as planned....

Oh well, I just spent the evening looking over 7th Sea second edition and take delight in the fact that its KS made nearly as much as the RRT KS, compared to SW Rifts of $400K or so. For a RPG line that has been dead for over 10 years. I can imagine that without the SW name, the Rifts KS would have made maybe 1/10th of what it did. I'd be surprised if the Rifts boardgame breaks $50K, and if it makes $100K or more, I can only shake my head at the foolishness of people ... And start my own KS for the handful of board games my brother and I have been puttering about with.

 Stormonu wrote:
Interesting...surely the flyers had to be paid for and printed before things went downhill, I wonder if they were bagged before the incident with Carmen and Uncle Kev didn't want to waste the money opening the baggies and removing the flyers. So I guess the KS is still going forward as planned....

Almost. There was an initial attempt at a flier image released on February 16th. An image here, advertising March or April. But it looks nothing like what Jaymz showed us, even though all three appear to use the exact same six digital sculpts, in the exact same orientations.

We do know that at least something has changed. The most recent plan was to have the Kickstarter launch in late March, early April (Carmen) or Mid to Late April (Kevin), both on Feb 16th. Can't find the source on Carmen, I think it was an FB post since deleted.

The incident happened a day later. That the current flier say April-May, indicates that at least that got late changed. So at the very least, the cards weren't printed prior, even if the plans to do so were already in motion.

And the latest rifter only shipped last week so nope it could not have been "bagged" prior to the "incident"

 n815e wrote:
Perhaps Kevin is hoping that Carmen's success means Carmen will take this albatross from PB.

I've gotten every impression that Carmen is a thin-skinned dick (you know, like his idol) but I didn't think he was also an idiot. Which is what he'd have to be do that.

Merijeek wrote:

 n815e wrote:
Perhaps Kevin is hoping that Carmen's success means Carmen will take this albatross from PB.

I've gotten every impression that Carmen is a thin-skinned dick (you know, like his idol) but I didn't think he was also an idiot. Which is what he'd have to be do that.

From the comments by him in the Kickstarter and prior dealings I have read or a very brief talk with him at a convention: he is rather reactionary and takes himself pretty seriously, so it makes for rather intense interactions.
Taking the suicide attempt at face value, I really cannot see this ending well with the various stressors especially with Kevin's meddling.
I agree it is probably less taking the albatross but jumping on the wagon where I think he is banking on a free pass (use as shield) due to sympathy for Carmen.

The two are going to be quite tied together and intelligence does not factor in: if you have a controlling narcissist in a position of power you either walk away or are stuck with what he decides (believe me, they love the game of getting their way). Again, stressors that I anticipate getting worse with time.

It is probably inside voice that should not be out loud but I really want to take up a collection for Carmen's wife.

<edit> On-topic, this "distraction" will easily be enough of an excuse for Kevin to drop RRT updates any time he feels like it.

 Talizvar wrote:

Merijeek wrote:

 n815e wrote:
Perhaps Kevin is hoping that Carmen's success means Carmen will take this albatross from PB.

I've gotten every impression that Carmen is a thin-skinned dick (you know, like his idol) but I didn't think he was also an idiot. Which is what he'd have to be do that.

From the comments by him in the Kickstarter and prior dealings I have read or a very brief talk with him at a convention: he is rather reactionary and takes himself pretty seriously, so it makes for rather intense interactions.
Taking the suicide attempt at face value, I really cannot see this ending well with the various stressors especially with Kevin's meddling.
I agree it is probably less taking the albatross but jumping on the wagon where I think he is banking on a free pass (use as shield) due to sympathy for Carmen.

I think the albatross Meri is referring to is RRT, and not "blame and criticism".

I tend to agree with Meri that Kevin would like to unload the whole remainder of things onto "Rogue Heroes LLC" and go back to just having to deal with RPG's and forget RRT like it was some bad dream.

Of course, that does bring into play certain legal technicalities with regards debts owed, but it wouldn't surprise me if gRifts is successful, Kevin considers selling the license and all assets to RRT to Rogue Heroes, and trying to argue that it's now their responsibility, along with all obligations. I don't know how that'd hold up in court, but given legal action seems to be very much a hard ask at this point, it'd be a curious point. Even if it's legally untenable, given what we know of the man, I wouldn't put it past Kevin to try.

Even without the clusterfeth that'd be, it'd not be unexpected to license Rogue Heroes to do Gens 2 and 3. Allowing a new company to do the product runs PB themselves aren't capable of doing, while Wave 2 sits on the balance sheet.

 Stormonu wrote:
So I guess the KS is still going forward as planned....

Well, just because you advertise a KS project to happen on such-and-such a day, doesn't obligate you to actually run it.

If two hours on the RRT KS comments means a suicide attempt, he's not going to make it through an actual KS.

Is there a term for Carmen's relationship with Kevin, as well as Carmen and Kevin's individual behavior?

fwiw, If you're a regular backer of KS projects, search on "optimists entrepreneurship" to get a better idea of how these people behave, even intelligent ones.

Morgan Vening wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

Merijeek wrote:

 n815e wrote:
Perhaps Kevin is hoping that Carmen's success means Carmen will take this albatross from PB.

I've gotten every impression that Carmen is a thin-skinned dick (you know, like his idol) but I didn't think he was also an idiot. Which is what he'd have to be do that.

From the comments by him in the Kickstarter and prior dealings I have read or a very brief talk with him at a convention: he is rather reactionary and takes himself pretty seriously, so it makes for rather intense interactions.
Taking the suicide attempt at face value, I really cannot see this ending well with the various stressors especially with Kevin's meddling.
I agree it is probably less taking the albatross but jumping on the wagon where I think he is banking on a free pass (use as shield) due to sympathy for Carmen.

I think the albatross Meri is referring to is RRT, and not "blame and criticism".

I tend to agree with Meri that Kevin would like to unload the whole remainder of things onto "Rogue Heroes LLC" and go back to just having to deal with RPG's and forget RRT like it was some bad dream.

Correct. Even for a narcissist and a follower, I still don't see the conversation "Wow, Carmen, we had such a successful project with gRifts gBoard gGame, now I want you to take over this project with a good million in obligations and zero funding to make it happen!" going the way Kevin would like it to.

Unless Carmen is an idiot, of course.

Is it April 1st already?

AdeptiCon 1 hr ·

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With plans for the release of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave Two, organized play and more great RRT products to come, now is the time to get started with the main box game or available expansion packs, assemble some models, and start playing! Also available: Robotech® RPG books and select other Palladium titles.

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So, don't bother finishing the paint jobs on half the minis. Don't bother attaching the arm that fell off, either.

And three years later, still haven't managed to get that Monster painted?

That's what I thought... why have a broken model in your promotional picture....
Why have your painted and unpainted miniatures all mixed together...

Plus, with Army painter dip or citadel paint {base-layer-highlight} technique
you can get a decent look with little knowledge or effort

Oh wait... you actually have to care for your product... I forgot...

Merijeek wrote:
So, don't bother finishing the paint jobs on half the minis. Don't bother attaching the arm that fell off, either.

And three years later, still haven't managed to get that Monster painted?

What? You mean Palladium Books have failed to complete a project? Now why does that seem so familiar...

Apathetic and lazy: Palladium Books in a nutshell.

Why? For all that is holy, why do they not paint their stuff?
They probably got them printed at Shapeways and cannot figure out how to avoid the "furry" look of their WSF (white, strong & flexible).
I can understand for the wave 1 box to show the models unpainted: to show what you actually get.
The Wave2 3D prints you might as well paint them because they are unimpressive otherwise.

The broken arm sitting there is... just, there are no words.
Nothing says "We are oh so committed!!!!" than broken product on display.
A little dab of crazy glue is too much?

Why am I still surprised by their completely amateurish and uncaring way of doing things?
For a "mature" business being around for decades, I just cannot think of anyone not finding work: if these guys can stay employed, anyone can.

Painting requires either money or effort, and PB has proven they have a lack of people on staff willing to contribute either of those.

As far as the broken arm, I'm sure it's tough to find super glue at a gaming convention. Probably nobody else has any you could snag.

And the bases are actually *DUSTY*. Almost as dusty as my minis, which haven't been touched since I finished putting them together.

I'm surprised someone there got up enough energy to pull them off of the broom closet shelf and take that picture.

Didn't Kevin break his arm in the last 3 to 5 years or so?

Could this be some cryptic shout out to that?!?

That broken arm is now the official mascot of this project.

I'm not sure if I should go with

"Paul is dead"

or

"The lack of paint jobs is symbolic of the fact that Kevin can't afford to pay for paint jobs because of the Crisis Of Treachery(tm). They're a reflection of the empty spots on his mom's fridge"

 Alpharius wrote:
Didn't Kevin break his arm in the last 3 to 5 years or so?
Could this be some cryptic shout out to that?!?

Unsure, when I saw him his arm was in a sling but no cast.
We at least have documented proof that the model is made of two pieces which is a good reduced part count demonstration.

What a pathetic image to attempt to promote your product...

 Elbows wrote:
What a pathetic image to attempt to promote your product...

Not really.. this is true to Palladium style.. Everything starts at the top..
Can you imagine being hired as a media /public relations manager for them...
Living nightmare..

But just look at the crazy turn around of Games Workshop after the new CEO took over..hint hint..

Is it my imagination or is the broken model held together with tac and not glue anyway?

C'mon PB, if you're just going to reshow old models, can't you at least take the effort to PAINT them and fix a broken piece?

Looked at this pic and something was not quite right and then I twigged.

The monster 3d sculpt was shown off a few years back at Adepticon - possibly just prior to the KS launch or if not the year after. As was the FPA for mirya and max in disguise. The other new models include the armoured Valk,YB-4 and SDf-1 they put into an update a few months back while the MPA etc are convention pieces. The only new piece appears to be the FPA with special weapons

So in effect I belive you are seeing the full extent of where Palladium are up to as regards approved test models foe the missing items. So no Lancers, Gnelrls, Khyron etc

Given they are willing to post this to Adepticon why can't they post the same to the KS updates or Iam I jumping the gun on this weeks PBWU

They're not posting it to the KS because they'd get torn down quickly because we've seen ALL of the models shown already (including a painted super in guardian not shown above). Hell, the barrels on the MAC are still warped which we saw back before the KS campagn ended!

And I missed it before, but I can't believe the SDF-1 model is only as tall as a veritech!


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Oh, and they also didn't bother to show the multipart Glaug-Eldaire they printed out in Dec after(?) Wave 1 was finished. HWere is that?

The alternate kit FPA was shown waaay back before Wave 1 I think so nothing new at all.

What happened to all the stuff painted by Blue Table? In addition to unpainted and broken models, the basing seems pretty inconsistent as well.

cannonfodr wrote:
The alternate kit FPA was shown waaay back before Wave 1 I think so nothing new at all.

What happened to all the stuff painted by Blue Table? In addition to unpainted and broken models, the basing seems pretty inconsistent as well.

Speaking of painted, I'd be curious to know if PB followed through on their three Bursting Point Pledge Levels. You'ld think completing those would be noteworthy. And getting most of a $10K balance off their books

If they're getting held up because of the lack of a f'n Rick Hunter, I'd be f'n furious.

That PB haven't mentioned it, and I've seen noone come out and say they've received one, let alone whether they're happy or unhappy with the paintjob (and at just under $100 per miniature, I'd be expecting quality), doesn't really surprise me. But still...

The only thing this tells people is that they could care less. I don't know why they even bother schlepping it all out to conventions, anymore. They can't be selling all that many there or garnering much interest, either.

Actually, that's likely to be their demo/ con kit. The painted stuff looks to be for demos, the unpainted stuff likely would be a display for "this is what you get".

So unpainted is acceptable. Not acceptable is not even having enough stuff done for a promo shoot. Clearly out of their depths in this industry.

 Lynx7725 wrote:
Actually, that's likely to be their demo/ con kit. The painted stuff looks to be for demos, the unpainted stuff likely would be a display for "this is what you get".

So unpainted is acceptable. Not acceptable is not even having enough stuff done for a promo shoot. Clearly out of their depths in this industry.

Hah! I'd like to go up to their demo table and say "Hey, I'd like to play the Warhammer, please!"

The painted models in the top section - those are the GQ metals, right? Who painted them GQ or Blue Table? They do look nice.

Huh - just noticed another missing figure - the Spartan/Gladiator. Guess they didn't want to show off the gaps in the models.