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Just found this old piece of bs in which Kevin claims to have invented every type of rpg genre;
http://web.archive.org/web/20010408113639/http://palladiumbooks.com/profile.html

Its the palladium profile page from 2001.

"I personally feel that Palladium has never done a classic cyberpunk game, not even Rifts®. However, today, the term "cyberpunk" seems to connote any RPG that includes cybernetics, mechanical implants/augmentation, and/or bionics. If that is true, then Palladium published the FIRST cyberpunk RPG back in 1984!!! And depending on how one looks at it, 1981 with The Mechanoid Invasion®."

*cringe*


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This literally makes me rage. I seriously can't stand this guy. What a bunch of pretentious BS

I had completely forgot about the Rifts card game... I bet Kevin still has a stock of those too...

As for being first.. I am sure with Robotech Tactics, he is first with something with that also..

It's sort of telling that HG doesn't sell RRT on the Robotech webstore.

evilsmurf wrote:
Just found this old piece of bs in which Kevin claims to have invented every type of rpg genre;
http://web.archive.org/web/20010408113639/http://palladiumbooks.com/profile.html
Its the palladium profile page from 2001.

I hate to correct this but, he is claiming they were the first to make the "one system" (tmtmtmtmtm) so you have one game system for fantasy or science fiction or whatever.
I am not so sure about that.
Wiki gives a blerb about the "megaversal system" here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaversal_system
They rightly point out that the "universal" has a fair bit of customization.
Interesting note here:
First published in July 1983 as The Palladium Role-Playing Game, the Palladium Fantasy Role-Playing Game saw a second edition in April 1996. The two are largely compatible, though the second edition uses a later iteration of Palladium's ruleset to be more compatible with the rest of their Megaverse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palladium_Fantasy_Role-Playing_Game

I would say that "Worlds of Wonder" (1982) presented three worlds of adventure: fantasy, science fiction, and super hero and fleshed all that out before megaversal was a gleam in Kevin's eye. (Lies I tell you!).

Failing that, The Fantasy Trip (TFT) (Published 1977 with various updates up to 1980) that later got updated to GURPS could be the next to contest that statement.

I was a bit of a nut for all things cyberpunk way back when.
I "think" I have every last supplement for Cyberpunk 2013/2020 (not the insane amount of magazine add-ons however).

What was particularly great was sourcebooks they made of leading CP books of the time:
- When Gravity Fails and Hard Wired.

Anyway... on-topic... Robotech RPG Tactics, no, nothing going on at the Kickstarter.
Wait for the non-update coming in the next day or so?


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 n815e wrote:
It's sort of telling that HG doesn't sell RRT on the Robotech webstore.

Palladium would charge them a $40 shipping fee... each.

 Talizvar wrote:
Anyway... on-topic... Robotech RPG Tactics, no, nothing going on at the Kickstarter.
Wait for the non-update coming in the next day or so?

You mean this non-update?

Robotech Relevant Section wrote:UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave Two

Robotech®/Robotech® RPG Tactics™ dominates most of our conversations these days as we are busy working on all aspects of the relaunch.

That's it. That's all he wrote. I swear he's trolling at this point.

There's significant news, details and dates for the gRifts game, but that's all the RRT related news. Including the following excerpt from the Adepticon section.

"Also stop by the Palladium Books booth at AdeptiCon to get the latest news and a special promotion for the Rifts® Board Game. Carmen Bellaire cannot make AdeptiCon this year as he had intended, so we will be representing both Robotech® RPG Tactics™ and the Rifts® Board Game coming from Rogue Heroes Publishing. (Anything to help our friend, Carmen and his dedicated crew of creators.) Thank you."

Yeahhhh, totally a separate company. Just helping out a friend. My question would be, "Why isn't another member of the 'dedicated crew of creators' coming to do that themselves?". Even if we excuse Carmen's absence, is there literally noone more qualified to advertise gRifts than Wayne, who is totally NOT part of Rogue Heroes? No sculptor, or editor or game designer or playtest coordinator, that could do it better than an employee of a company that is totally NOT involved with the game. Kevin, please.

In other news, with two weeks to go in March, he's still promising 2 books by the end of March. And another 2 by May. And a 5th by June. Yeah, good luck with that, Kevin.

EDIT : There's a section in Kevin's time at CoastCon. "Another fun event was being part of the Would I lie to you? panel/game/exhibition.". The answer, not given in the PBWU, is FETHING OBVIOUSLY!

Seriously, I can't even wrap my head around this. If Kevin WAS trying to be a subtle troll, would he have written anything any differently?

RE-EDIT : That last thing regarding CoastCon is actually from LAST week's PBWU. I was comparing last week to this week for the book scheduling, and didn't realize. Didn't notice it last week, as reading through a PBWU is just soul crushingly painful.

 paulson games wrote:
Is it April 1st already?

AdeptiCon 1 hr ·

Palladium Books at AdeptiCon 2017 bring's the fast-paced action of Robotech® anime to your tabletop. Play small squad skirmishes with as few as two Veritechs (or Destroids) and six Zentraedi Battlepods, or scale up to massive battles.

With plans for the release of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave Two, organized play and more great RRT products to come, now is the time to get started with the main box game or available expansion packs, assemble some models, and start playing! Also available: Robotech® RPG books and select other Palladium titles.

Come to the Palladium booth #23 for a special convention discount, try a demo, and learn more about Robotech® RPG Tactics™ or visit www.palladiumbooks.com for details on all the games.

Also, learn about the Rifts® Board Game coming from Rogue Heroes Publishing. Its Kickstarter will run from April through May. Become an early bird backer with a special card at the booth.

Just noticed the still-unfinished resin SDF-1 in the back.

Still.

Unfinished.

3 years later.

They're almost as bad as I am, except no one's paying $1 million+.

evilsmurf wrote:
Just found this old piece of bs in which Kevin claims to have invented every type of rpg genre;
http://web.archive.org/web/20010408113639/http://palladiumbooks.com/profile.html

Its the palladium profile page from 2001.

Sooo much spin, it's amazing he's not a top.

I'm pretty sure he's a top, he has an office full of bottoms.

Two terms I can't hear without scenes from Sunny in Philadelphia starting to replay in my head.

Anyone else notice in the PBWU that Kevin is actually involved in approval for the rules of the Rifts BG not just model sculpts and fluff writing? That really smacks of something a licensor generally does not get approvals on as it is not their rules but the licensees rules.

 Talizvar wrote:

evilsmurf wrote:
Just found this old piece of bs in which Kevin claims to have invented every type of rpg genre;
http://web.archive.org/web/20010408113639/http://palladiumbooks.com/profile.html
Its the palladium profile page from 2001.

I hate to correct this but, he is claiming they were the first to make the "one system" (tmtmtmtmtm) so you have one game system for fantasy or science fiction or whatever.
I am not so sure about that.
Wiki gives a blerb about the "megaversal system" here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaversal_system
They rightly point out that the "universal" has a fair bit of customization.
Interesting note here:
First published in July 1983 as The Palladium Role-Playing Game, the Palladium Fantasy Role-Playing Game saw a second edition in April 1996. The two are largely compatible, though the second edition uses a later iteration of Palladium's ruleset to be more compatible with the rest of their Megaverse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palladium_Fantasy_Role-Playing_Game

I would say that "Worlds of Wonder" (1982) presented three worlds of adventure: fantasy, science fiction, and super hero and fleshed all that out before megaversal was a gleam in Kevin's eye. (Lies I tell you!).

Failing that, The Fantasy Trip (TFT) (Published 1977 with various updates up to 1980) that later got updated to GURPS could be the next to contest that statement.

I was a bit of a nut for all things cyberpunk way back when.
I "think" I have every last supplement for Cyberpunk 2013/2020 (not the insane amount of magazine add-ons however).

What was particularly great was sourcebooks they made of leading CP books of the time:
- When Gravity Fails and Hard Wired.

Anyway... on-topic... Robotech RPG Tactics, no, nothing going on at the Kickstarter.
Wait for the non-update coming in the next day or so?


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 n815e wrote:
It's sort of telling that HG doesn't sell RRT on the Robotech webstore.

Palladium would charge them a $40 shipping fee... each.

I would say look up GURPS, and before that ICE, wasn't the d20 system in the late 90's? No, Pallidum is not even close to the first company to make generic rules for multiple genres.

Nah, d20 system came about with D&D 3E, so around '99.

Besides, I wouldn't count the "Megaversal" system a real universal system like GURPS, Amazing Engine, Alternity or Savage Worlds. Otherwise, the FASERIP TSR engine, ICE's ROlemaster/Space Master, Chaosium's rules and others would have to be included, and there's several of those that would beat PB's by years.

The "Megaversal" is still tied to very specific game worlds, which happen to share an underlying game engine - it's not designed or marketed to handle generic worlds. (For example, a space-based sci-fi game, or a modern era mundane setting)

It is basically lazy rules writing, rather than a universal system.

I believe chaosium beat him to the punch

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Role-Playing

I could have sworn I said "Worlds of Wonder (1982)" which Chaosium was the publisher.
Anyway: Kevin claiming to fame that history refutes: you do not lie like a boss my friend.

And even that is 2 years later than the BRP book

Morgan Vening wrote:
Carmen Bellaire cannot make AdeptiCon this year as he had intended

Now, *there's* an understatement. If Carmen can't survive two hours on the RRT comments page, is he really going to make it through a KS???

 n815e wrote:
It is basically lazy rules writing, rather than a universal system.

Perfectly put.

Besides the rules are not exactly the same between settings.

^That is why it is called megaversal not universal.....eachsetting is slightly different from every other. Mind you even the individual settings are inconsistent between printings of the main rule book for said setting.

I wish i were kidding. Many arguments on the official PB forums are between people using different printings of the same rule book because Palladium in its infinite wisdom never bother to put out official errata or corrections when new printings come out in regards to any changes made.

ced1106 wrote:

Morgan Vening wrote:
Carmen Bellaire cannot make AdeptiCon this year as he had intended

Now, *there's* an understatement. If Carmen can't survive two hours on the RRT comments page, is he really going to make it through a KS???

Well, if the guy is so emotionally fragile and mentally unhealthy, maybe Kevin will give him his license fee back, and he can just do something that won't be so awful for him.

Snort.

As if Kevin even had the money to give back.

No.... Refunds!

I think Kevin realizes that the most attention he got in years was a game with miniatures, so "RBG" might give him the fix he needs.
Not sure how a game he is supposed to have nothing to do with, is getting so much of his attention.
It is being treated a whole different animal than SW:R.
I was hoping Carmen could get Kev to back off, because the more involved PB is, the less "help" I want to give the project which may go into actively working against it.
It appears PB has more at stake than some licensing flat fee.
Or it could be Kev being the glory hound he is, just sniffing around for more attention.
Either way, giving a bloody nose is tempting.

As i said above......I get the need for a licensor to have approval power over mini sculpts or even fluff text (it is the licensors IP after all)....I have never heard of a licensor having approval rights over another company's game rules.

Palladium never released a broadly applicable rulebook, calling it a 'one' system if just baloney.

Well I think Mr.Ken Cook got sent to wood shed on PB facebook because all of his post are gone. I 'll say he very foul mouth about it and his uncle Kev is best RPG writer ever. I like to know what HG thinks about all this because if it was the other way around I don't think Kev would be happy at all about whats going on with IP. Hey guys do you think Kev took full control of Rift BG KS. I 'm getting a feelin he did.

For Carmen's sake, I hope not.

 Talizvar wrote:
I was hoping Carmen could get Kev to back off, because the more involved PB is, the less "help" I want to give the project which may go into actively working against it.

Carmen's pretty much "attached to the hip" of Kevin. He did design an Upper Deck game, but do we have any other evidence of him on his own, much less proof that he's able to manage a KS project?

Closest info I read is that Carmen's game is going to be a sf dungeoncrawler, similar to Descent. If that's the game, I'd just take any sf dungeoncrawler game system and adapt it to Rifts. Heck, you should be able to use the Rifts Savage Worlds game system to play a miniatures game.

BTW, I found Carmen's name as well as a Rifts miniatures game in this TMP post back in 2012: http://www.theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=264970 and blog post http://www.outsydergaming.com/2012/03/rifts-miniatures-on-horizon.html

fwiw, artist Mike Leonard has several Rifts paper miniatures on DriveThruRPG, where you can find other Palladium products: http://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse.php?x=0&y=0&author=Mike%20Leonard

Palladium Games is attending Adepticon to get a pulse of the communities feeling for Robotech Tactics..
Kevin says its doing great but the sales numbers don't match and they are trying to figure out why...

Why, is Mike providing the art for the game?

Ugh.

The reason is that they didn't ship the Monsters.

Really, if PB had just shipped Monsters with the base game, I probably wouldn't care about the rest of the stuff I'm supposed to get.