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The only thing Palladium has even been efficient at getting out the door was Cease and Desist letters to their biggest fans so Palladium fan web presence has always been absolutely minimal.

 Forar wrote:
2-6 players, or head to head skirmish... is this thing literally just "Imperial Assault with a reskin job"?

Edit: I mean, maybe not mechanically down to the unique dice, but boy, they are laying it on thick with that comparison.

To Be Fair, Imperial Assualt is a reskin job.

But yes probably

 TwoGunBob wrote:
The only thing Palladium has even been efficient at getting out the door was Cease and Desist letters to their biggest fans so Palladium fan web presence has always been absolutely minimal.

Practically almost non existent now. They even lost their official webrings after noone looked after it for months (not even logging in to show activity). Compare that to years ago when there was a thriving community; http://web.archive.org/web/20020602141115/http://www.palladiumbooks.com/links/web.html

and there hasnt been any new sites appear in years. Kind of a shame.

Way to go on killing off your fan base.

The closest thing to a "new" site is likely my personal wiki.

wilycoyote wrote:
It would appear that the gRifts BG, is based around mangaing a hand of cards that are tied to specific characters/minions. IN addition to your set actions , these cards are also used for wounds inflicted on you. At least that is what I picked up from the brief overview Carmen posted on their site.

Reminds me of the old gears of war boardgame from FFG. IIRC, each character had cards in hand that represented actions he could play and ALSO his total life. Everytime he took a wound, he would discard a card. If he couldn't, he died.

Kingdom Death monsters work this way, too. Each wound is a card, and each card specifies an action.

End result....the game is nothing "new" or "different" from anythign already on the market yet Carmen is touted as a "board game guru/genius" who has only one product "done" but not yet to market via Upper Deck.

 jaymz wrote:
End result....the game is nothing "new" or "different" from anythign already on the market yet Carmen is touted as a "board game guru/genius" who has only one product "done" but not yet to market via Upper Deck.

You have to consider the audience. To the typical fan-friend, it "redefines" the "guys on a board" genre. Just like how PB brought anime to the US, was the first "universal" system and was the first cyberpunk game.


Ok. Now that the snickering and laughter is done (seriously, try saying the above keeping a straight face), we all know all those other rules are "rubbish" so Carmen as taken time to rewrite them. After all, PB true fans want more than a basic melee attack, they want to be able to punch, kick, jump kick, body block and power punch just like in Rifts(tm). Besides, someone has to go do a search and replace of all the setting specific terms in whatever system served as the base and with Rifts(tm) specific terms, including all the trademarks, copyrights etc. All that takes a lot of work given the level of computer literacy demonstrated by PB so understandably Carmen has to take credit for all of that work. I'm surprised Kevin hasn't felt the need to make his own rewrites so he can get get credited as the author.

I'll fall off my stool if Kevin isn't in charge within a month of the kickfalter funding. Assuming it funds, as the only way it will make it is if they shoot for a really tiny funding goal. I fully expect.

gRIFTS (TM) CO LLC. boardgame presented by
KEVIN SIEMBIEDA
with minor assistance by some guy who was his name again? Chameleon?
A PALLADIUM PRODUCT!!!!!
in minor association with Deceiver Sandwiches LLC

Specials thanks to all the backers that believed in my KEVIN!!! LET'S gRIFT IT UP!!!!!!!

"UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave Two

Prep and plans for Robotech®/Robotech® RPG Tactics™ product have been ongoing, with good stuff in development. We have just added several Robotech® RPG Tactics™ gaming events at Gen Con, including a couple of big tournaments (with awards to players)."

lol

I can't believe that PB thinks that this is acceptable - that they should be TELLING US WHAT THESE "PLANS" ARE ALREADY!

Sheesh!

 Swabby wrote:
"UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave Two

Prep and plans for Robotech®/Robotech® RPG Tactics™ product have been ongoing, with good stuff in development. We have just added several Robotech® RPG Tactics™ gaming events at Gen Con, including a couple of big tournaments (with awards to players)."

lol

That's something to keep an eye on. Couple means at least two. Big should mean at least 20 players (the max number of players at each of their previous official tournaments).

Be interesting if they get a better attendance than the last two. I believe it was 9 and 11?

I see they're having a week long sale, retroactively starting yesterday. 30% off all RRT. Or.... paying base rate for CSI, plus shipping.

There's a "giant demo game" at SIMCON in New York next weekend, that explicitly mentions having power armor and a Monster. Wonder what the Palladium attitude is to people infringing on their trademarks to fan-build stuff. IIRC they usually weren't too down with that.

Still promising 4 books by the end of May. Added a sixth book to EoSummer.

Also, for the first time in a while, the number of words for RRT exceeds the number of words for gRifts. But still, nothing of any relevance, as Swabby mentions.

I was initially curious why the PBWU went up early, as Kevin isn't going to Adepticon. Then I realized with Wayne going out of the office, he doesn't have anyone to show him how to upload the httpthingamy onto the interwebs.

With it being the 50th anniversary of Gen Con I would think this year will be crazy crowded.. More than
we seen before.. but I would be interested in seeing what Palladium games ends up with.. They will
always have their die hard fans.. but the numbers keep going down..
On top of that.. By August if they do not have details locked in by then.. there is no ship in 2017 and
everyone knows it.

There will be no shipping in 2017, I believe someone (Forar?) already worked out that it took them 9 months to go from wave 1 manufacturing start to the beginning of shipping

9 months from now, Kevin will be in his Santa jammies, happy about getting rid of damaged books via surprise packages and dreading the January update -- in which he will promise that 2018 is THE year of Robotech. He's got big plans, he's just waiting on some quotes.

Don't worry guys, the big news for RRT in 2017 will be the announcement that 2018 will be huge for RRT.

I'd laugh, but that's probably true.

Still missing wave 2, but at least this thread provides entertainment value.

I think we have had more entertainment from the mess than we would have had if we had wave one and two already in hand and if they had been done right in the first place.

Personally,, I'd take product over entertainment, but to each their own....

Funny thing is, I had to recently pack up my game room for a remodel, and I'm planning on a serious culling of what goes back in (90+ banker boxes of roleplaying books alone look like they will be culled to less than 20). I'm expecting most of my books won't be returning, but I'm trying to keep onto all my miniatures - even the RRT ones. I don't know why; something in me doesn't want me to get rid of them because I don't have Wave 2, even though I know I'll never see Wave 2. Oh, well - they're still usable for Battletech and such.

 Mike1975 wrote:
I think we have had more entertainment from the mess than we would have had if we had wave one and two already in hand and if they had been done right in the first place.

Speak for yourself. I want my fething MAC-II.

Well the only Moster at that demo in New York will be a downloaded paper standee, to which Palladium have added the tag, "the awesome , mouthwatering, highly detailed model kit for this unit will be available soon - we promise, keep the faith"

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:
I think we have had more entertainment from the mess than we would have had if we had wave one and two already in hand and if they had been done right in the first place.

Speak for yourself. I want my fething MAC-II.

I already got mine.....

I'm waiting to get some $ to buy my REF Destroids next. Already have my Invid ordered.

That angle (proxied figures) has always struck me as a little strange. PB are indeed quite hostile to anyone that think is even remotely infringing upon their IP, but at Gencon last year they mentioned a table (demo?) being run that had a number of proxies involved (I recall a MAC-II, pretty sure there were other Wave 2 items involved that were either toys or 3D prints or something).

Plus "Bad Syntax" and his 3D prints that helped kick off 'the great scale discussion/argument/red herring'.

For a company that has in the past used C&Ds/legal shenanigans in some extremely skepticism inducing ways (ie: the Rift video game battle), it is a little weird that they are cool with self-made wave 2 stuff. Maybe they're ignorant of it being 'a thing' with this kind of product, maybe it's a subtle admission that it's the only way these fans will see wave 2 stuff in a reasonable timeframe (obviously we're already well beyond that).

 Forar wrote:
That angle (proxied figures) has always struck me as a little strange. PB are indeed quite hostile to anyone that think is even remotely infringing upon their IP, but at Gencon last year they mentioned a table (demo?) being run that had a number of proxies involved (I recall a MAC-II, pretty sure there were other Wave 2 items involved that were either toys or 3D prints or something).

Plus "Bad Syntax" and his 3D prints that helped kick off 'the great scale discussion/argument/red herring'.

For a company that has in the past used C&Ds/legal shenanigans in some extremely skepticism inducing ways (ie: the Rift video game battle), it is a little weird that they are cool with self-made wave 2 stuff. Maybe they're ignorant of it being 'a thing' with this kind of product, maybe it's a subtle admission that it's the only way these fans will see wave 2 stuff in a reasonable timeframe (obviously we're already well beyond that).

No idea but I'm going to have all three series one way or another. I'm missing some AJACs and Battloids for Southern Cross and need get some Alphas and Betas but the rest is convered. Mechwarrior Power Armor combines with 40k Epic Imperial Bikes make excellent Cyclones. Other than that I have the rest covered.

 Forar wrote:
That angle (proxied figures) has always struck me as a little strange. PB are indeed quite hostile to anyone that think is even remotely infringing upon their IP, but at Gencon last year they mentioned a table (demo?) being run that had a number of proxies involved (I recall a MAC-II, pretty sure there were other Wave 2 items involved that were either toys or 3D prints or something).

Plus "Bad Syntax" and his 3D prints that helped kick off 'the great scale discussion/argument/red herring'.

For a company that has in the past used C&Ds/legal shenanigans in some extremely skepticism inducing ways (ie: the Rift video game battle), it is a little weird that they are cool with self-made wave 2 stuff. Maybe they're ignorant of it being 'a thing' with this kind of product, maybe it's a subtle admission that it's the only way these fans will see wave 2 stuff in a reasonable timeframe (obviously we're already well beyond that).

Well, self-made (or as I'm doing, gashapon), I don't think they can do anything about. Anything coming out of Shapeways or such, I guess they could - but that's probably more something HG would patrol, not PB. Though PB could point out anything they find to HG, I just suspect that it would fall to HG to shut it down.

To be honest, I get the impression they're not pointing it out because they're eyeing using it for their own purposes....

The only reason they are not clamping down on the people doing it is how close to the source (source being PB) they are.

If they ever actually release wave 2 I am confident that they will start hammering down on the people producing the stuff.

 Forar wrote:
That angle (proxied figures) has always struck me as a little strange. PB are indeed quite hostile to anyone that think is even remotely infringing upon their IP, but at Gencon last year they mentioned a table (demo?) being run that had a number of proxies involved (I recall a MAC-II, pretty sure there were other Wave 2 items involved that were either toys or 3D prints or something).

Plus "Bad Syntax" and his 3D prints that helped kick off 'the great scale discussion/argument/red herring'.

For a company that has in the past used C&Ds/legal shenanigans in some extremely skepticism inducing ways (ie: the Rift video game battle), it is a little weird that they are cool with self-made wave 2 stuff. Maybe they're ignorant of it being 'a thing' with this kind of product, maybe it's a subtle admission that it's the only way these fans will see wave 2 stuff in a reasonable timeframe (obviously we're already well beyond that).

PB does not do anything because it is not their IP to protect, it is HG's IP to do something, and considering how HG is not really protecting their IP like they used to makes me wonder if HG has just given up on Robotech ?

They could very easily point out the worst offenders to HG however, but that itsn't going to happen because that lot includes some of the biggest fan friends in it.

Any word from Adepticon??
I would hope no one would get five feet from their booth to send a clear message
what the community thinks of their company.

One of my friends walked by and overheard someone saying that wave 2 was coming this year. He laughed at that comment.

Yes... Wave 2 is coming... but did not specify what kind of wave...