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 Mike1975 wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:
Sorry to see you go. I have no love for PB at all at this point but if you still love Robotech know that an alternative still exists that will be supported.

Yes it is called Alphastrike! You are unrelenting!

@Conrad: Good luck, I fully understand the reason for cutting loose an irritant in your life, much like Mike will do with me if I keep poking him...

LOL, yeah, played BT for many years and also have the rules for Alpha Strike and the expansion for it and it just does not have the anime feel that I prefer. The rules are good, and I have just about all the stat cards for it, I just don't like the feel.

what never read the novels?

Asterios wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:
Sorry to see you go. I have no love for PB at all at this point but if you still love Robotech know that an alternative still exists that will be supported.

Yes it is called Alphastrike! You are unrelenting!

@Conrad: Good luck, I fully understand the reason for cutting loose an irritant in your life, much like Mike will do with me if I keep poking him...

LOL, yeah, played BT for many years and also have the rules for Alpha Strike and the expansion for it and it just does not have the anime feel that I prefer. The rules are good, and I have just about all the stat cards for it, I just don't like the feel.

what never read the novels?

Actually have like 90% of the books. Even the one with the Ketatae or whatever they were called.

I read a little more into the PB "update" (Apr 7th) and noticed something (forgive me if others noticed): A TON of their line is now back in stock.
So they must have spent a wad on getting another print run of product done.
I was commenting on the KS page that I assume Rogue Heroes's licensing cheque had been cashed then? No refunds!!
RRT is such a priority BUT it does not keep the lights on (and will not bring in new money, only COST money).
Anyway, reading those weekly updates is time you will never get back and has some mental scarring assigned to it... I feel an overwhelming need to bang my head on the desk: they have such a pants on head way of "marketing".

My problem, not long now, a couple more deliveries and I will be able to distance from this.
ANYONE that can point me to a reasonable "approximation" of an Armored-VT please let me know (not the BT metal model, I know about that...).
I think I am done to some extent.
I did not get what I paid for...

 Talizvar wrote:

ANYONE that can point me to a reasonable "approximation" of an Armored-VT please let me know (not the BT metal model, I know about that...).
I think I am done to some extent.
I did not get what I paid for...

sorry never got to finish my armored VT before my programs subscription ran out.

Asterios wrote:
sorry never got to finish my armored VT before my programs subscription ran out.

Your sympathy is appreciated but does not help me!
<sigh> I did work on a 3D model but it had so many issues my friend's printer "hated it".
I have a suspicion the various elements were not "fused" properly and confused the heck out of the program for making the filler pattern (surface/edge-find had too many objects inside the body).

Anyway, the original plan for the game is really good looking and was a good concept.
It is unfortunate that PB will not be the ones to realize the game to it's full extent.
If I must find something to be grateful for, at least the "core" units were covered in wave 1 but the "bling" of the series is wave 2 and is a crying shame to leave it as it is now.

"Soon".

 Talizvar wrote:

Asterios wrote:
sorry never got to finish my armored VT before my programs subscription ran out.

Your sympathy is appreciated but does not help me!
<sigh> I did work on a 3D model but it had so many issues my friend's printer "hated it".
I have a suspicion the various elements were not "fused" properly and confused the heck out of the program for making the filler pattern (surface/edge-find had too many objects inside the body).

Anyway, the original plan for the game is really good looking and was a good concept.
It is unfortunate that PB will not be the ones to realize the game to it's full extent.
If I must find something to be grateful for, at least the "core" units were covered in wave 1 but the "bling" of the series is wave 2 and is a crying shame to leave it as it is now.

"Soon".

this was as far as my armored veritech prototypes got:

 Talizvar wrote:

Asterios wrote:
sorry never got to finish my armored VT before my programs subscription ran out.

Your sympathy is appreciated but does not help me!
<sigh> I did work on a 3D model but it had so many issues my friend's printer "hated it".
I have a suspicion the various elements were not "fused" properly and confused the heck out of the program for making the filler pattern (surface/edge-find had too many objects inside the body).

Anyway, the original plan for the game is really good looking and was a good concept.
It is unfortunate that PB will not be the ones to realize the game to it's full extent.
If I must find something to be grateful for, at least the "core" units were covered in wave 1 but the "bling" of the series is wave 2 and is a crying shame to leave it as it is now.

"Soon".

Has your friend tried 'Meshmixer'? It's free and can automatically heal some 3D file issues.

GuyverBlue wrote:
Has your friend tried 'Meshmixer'? It's free and can automatically heal some 3D file issues.

Thanks for giving it thought, I will ask.
He seemed pretty competent with using other models from people (mainly WW2 armor).
@Asterios: That model is a fine shot at it. The hip width is a bit alarming to me but all the other detail is really good.

I think that is why their last "new model" reveal way back when with the Armored-VT was so irritating: it looked incredibly good.

 Talizvar wrote:

GuyverBlue wrote:
Has your friend tried 'Meshmixer'? It's free and can automatically heal some 3D file issues.

Thanks for giving it thought, I will ask.
He seemed pretty competent with using other models from people (mainly WW2 armor).
@Asterios: That model is a fine shot at it. The hip width is a bit alarming to me but all the other detail is really good.

I think that is why their last "new model" reveal way back when with the Armored-VT was so irritating: it looked incredibly good.

yeah when working on it I was trying to get the size adjustments right on all the parts then was going to tweak it a bit until it "looked" right, but alas got caught up in other things and when I had time to go back to it time ran up.

 Talizvar wrote:

ANYONE that can point me to a reasonable "approximation" of an Armored-VT please let me know (not the BT metal model, I know about that...).

This http://www.ebay.com/itm/Macross-1-170-Armored-Valkyrie-VF-1A-No-AR358-100-ARIi-Plastic-Kit-Model-NIB-/182503249949?hash=item2a7e0a981d:g:wZMAAOSwzgBY1x6r and this http://www.ebay.com/itm/ARII-1-170-th-Scale-Macross-ARMORED-VALKYRIE-Series-Robotec-7-/152489173254?hash=item2381102106:g:MyQAAOSwvzRX0KoL is 1/170th scale, but might work...

This http://www.ebay.com/itm/Macross-Armored-Valkyrie-Soldier-VF-1A-1-200-Scale-Pitaban-Kit-Vintage-Unused-/162453670987?hash=item25d2fe4c4b:g:UboAAOSwLEtYkTlV is 1/200th scale, but far pricier. I think it's close to the one I have, which came from a Battletech plastic kit back in the 90's (The kit had Crusher Joe's Minerva as a Leopard Dropship and two models - one a Marauder and the other an Armored Valkerie). If it is the one I have, it's noticeably taller than the RRT stuff, but should still work well in the game.

 Talizvar wrote:

GuyverBlue wrote:
Has your friend tried 'Meshmixer'? It's free and can automatically heal some 3D file issues.

Thanks for giving it thought, I will ask.
He seemed pretty competent with using other models from people (mainly WW2 armor).
@Asterios: That model is a fine shot at it. The hip width is a bit alarming to me but all the other detail is really good.

I think that is why their last "new model" reveal way back when with the Armored-VT was so irritating: it looked incredibly good.

I've tried my hand at converting video game models for 3D printing recently, I would be interested in taking a look at the model you're using to see if I can figure out what's wrong with it. Can you upload it to a file hosting site and post a link?

Soul Samurai wrote:
I've tried my hand at converting video game models for 3D printing recently, I would be interested in taking a look at the model you're using to see if I can figure out what's wrong with it. Can you upload it to a file hosting site and post a link?

Cool, will hunt down my last iteration.
I found a model on the internet (cannot find the original for the life of me) and I added the folded wings at the back which was lacking.
I think I deleted the head since we are up to our eyeballs in extra VT heads.
I was trying to clear out the various strange structures inside the chest of the model (been a long time since I last did 3D modeling).
Will see what I can forward to you.
This is a nice side project and thanks all for the responses.
This "all in this together" thing gives me more of a "warm fuzzy feeling" than PB doing a Ruiz.

Anyway, on topic: is Palladium doing anything with THEIR Armored VT model??

 Talizvar wrote:

Soul Samurai wrote:
I've tried my hand at converting video game models for 3D printing recently, I would be interested in taking a look at the model you're using to see if I can figure out what's wrong with it. Can you upload it to a file hosting site and post a link?

Cool, will hunt down my last iteration.
I found a model on the internet (cannot find the original for the life of me) and I added the folded wings at the back which was lacking.
I think I deleted the head since we are up to our eyeballs in extra VT heads.
I was trying to clear out the various strange structures inside the chest of the model (been a long time since I last did 3D modeling).
Will see what I can forward to you.
This is a nice side project and thanks all for the responses.
This "all in this together" thing gives me more of a "warm fuzzy feeling" than PB doing a Ruiz.

Anyway, on topic: is Palladium doing anything with THEIR Armored VT model??

PB is doing nothing with RRT.

Just an idle thought.

If (usual caveat) Palladium have had 3d renders made for the Wave Two models, what would be the chances of backers getting hold of the files, so that they could print their own?

I know that it is most lrealistically a non starter but it could be a way to reope/relaunch the dialogue on Wave 2 and RTT as a whole.

Then this is PB and this brings no money in just goodwill so Kevin will kill it without hesitation

They would never offer the file to people to print their own. No way would they ever do it.

They might as part of an eventual settlement, if someone were to hit them with a tidal wave of legal judgement or something similar.

What, the paper markers aren't good enough for ya'll? The nerve!!!

No way PB would want the market flooded with "inferior" copies anyways; best to leave it to the folks who know what they're doing and can get you the best quality on the market.

Honestly, they'd probably argue those designs "belong" to HG, I'm sure, and couldn't be released due to IP infringement.

In reality, they do belong to HG, so it would never happen.

 n815e wrote:
In reality, they do belong to HG, so it would never happen.

Well, personally I'd say they belong to the owners of Macross (Studio Nue?), and HG is just a parasite, but that's my opinion...

wilycoyote wrote:
If (usual caveat) Palladium have had 3d renders made for the Wave Two models, what would be the chances of backers getting hold of the files, so that they could print their own?

Well, maybe if there's any decent hackers on this forum... but of course, that would require PB to actually have an internet connection, something that I'm not convinced is actually the case.

Soul Samurai wrote:

wilycoyote wrote:
If (usual caveat) Palladium have had 3d renders made for the Wave Two models, what would be the chances of backers getting hold of the files, so that they could print their own?

Well, maybe if there's any decent hackers on this forum... but of course, that would require PB to actually have an internet connection, something that I'm not convinced is actually the case.

Of course they have an internet connection. It goes boopboopbeepbeepboopboopboop ding trilliallillalil tllalalalalil eeeeh uuuuh eeeeh uuuuh eeeeh uuuuh hiiiiiish haaaaaaash.

This is funny if you're an old.

The question is how many baud. 1200, or was PB cutting edge and sprung for a 2400?

God, that old dialup sound makes me feel physically unwell.

I started out with a 300 baud modem, and was super-psyched to jump up to 1200!

SO I could go online to local BBS' - that only allowed one user on at a time!

Ah, the good ol' days!

Surely Palladium isn't still on AOL though, right?

Watch it, I still use AOL for my e-mail!

I think they may still have a GEOcities site....let me see if I can pull it up on my CRT. When I get the picture developed at the Kodak shop (should be tormorrow, what with 1-day processing these days), I ought to be able to fax it to ya'll.

Ew, I think I just stumbled on why it takes PB so long to post a KS update....

A kindred spirit - i love it!

Also, my wife still uses her AOL account for e-mail too!

This is the sad truth of Palladium, no telling what outdated tech they use instead of what current publishers use.
As an owner Kevin should invest his money into improving his company but instead spends money on vintage star wars figures.

Looking at the old maross / robotech models in the previous links; makes me wonder if the sprues Palladium used wasn't an existing
macross models from the 80's that the Chinese manufacture had, used them without the original owner knowing; then got
the ownership rights pulled, so palladium had to figure out another way of producing the models.

As for old timer.. it was when I was living alone in a small apartment that none of my friends visited until I got the internet.
But I have upgraded many times since then... This is the only way to keep the wife's internet addiction in check..

Here in the Deep South, most folks around here are about 20 years in the past tech-wise. I happen to be lucky enough to be working for a company that is maybe 5-10 years behind. Still, most folks here seem to be ahead of PB when it comes to using/understanding technology.

Well, they did update their inventory/mailing system just before sending out Wave 1, but how much do you want to bet they packed it all up and asked for a refund after they were done shipping and went back to whatever MS Word/Wordperfect mail-merge system they had before (if that...)?

 Stormonu wrote:

Well, they did update their inventory/mailing system just before sending out Wave 1, but how much do you want to bet they packed it all up and asked for a refund after they were done shipping and went back to whatever MS Word/Wordperfect mail-merge system they had before (if that...)?

Yes.. it was very nice for the RTT backers to pay for that upgrade..

wonder if I can list RRT or PB as a charity tax write off? since thats what PB seems to think they are.

Asterios wrote:
wonder if I can list RRT or PB as a charity tax write off? since thats what PB seems to think they are.

No, they believe it is their due.
That form of payment runs closer to their intended business model of "How about you give us the money and we will see what we think you deserve."
Actually, looking at this harder, there is more truth there than I am comfortable with.
The Christmas loot bag thing is a fine example of that thought process.
The BBB replies pretty much said we got enough for our money.
So yes, the business mindset is "entitled" rather than begging for loose change.