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Asterios wrote:

Morgan Vening wrote:

oldschoolroguetrader wrote:
well here is the thing.. if they have the minis on a site like shapeways then they will be found by HG if they really want to and they can send out the C&Ds then.. they probably wont since they really stand to lose little money since the people they put in charge of doing this are.. well not doing this.

any list will only help us.. on top of that HG can pay interns to do what i wont, and that is to comb through this thread and find links or names of people who have said they made stuff..

The difference is the rules apply differently to making for personal use, and making publicly available. If I want to make an exact replica of a Glaug, there's really no law against that. If I try to sell it (even at cost), give it away (especially in large volumes), or use it in promotional material, THAT is when I run afoul of the law.

So, what most others have done here for the most part (some have stepped over bounds) aren't in contravention of copyrights. Arguably up until they do what you ask.

even doing items for yourself could run afoul of some laws, there are ways of doing custom items for yourself and such even some commission work but the law is a bit iffy on some things.

like those people who put up some famous cartoon characters on their day care wall and got a C&D from an evil "rodent" ran corporation that shall not be named.

HG is not disney and i have a feeling they wouldnt much care about this. sort of like all the knock off doctor who miniatures that used to abound it would take something larger to make them go away.

and the worst that would happen is getting a letter saying stop that.. disney unlike either HG or PB has lots of money to spend on interns and lawyers. it wouldnt be worth it for a company like HG ror pB to sue you into oblivion onthe couple hundred bucks you may have made making them.

i am also pretty sure that most of you download music and stream movies from alternate sources like daily motion and youtube. so i find it funny to see push back on this front

oldschoolroguetrader wrote:

i am also pretty sure that most of you download music and stream movies from alternate sources like daily motion and youtube. so i find it funny to see push back on this front

I don't, furthermore I'm not willing to put my neck on the gallows for any reason, you claim HG won't do anything and yet there is history of them doing stuff. I don't even give out my files to anyone for them to print up minis and such, I'm a firm believer of CYA and I do it well.

I'm not a mod, but I feel they've been pretty clear that IP infringing talk is verboten here, so whatever we may or may not believe isn't relevant.

For example, talk recasting isn't permitted forum wide, and while I would say we've been given substantial leeway when it comes to stuff molded or 3D printed for personal use, I don't expect many people are looking to test the boundaries of that leniency.

I'm not familiar with the existing on this matter (Mike?), but there's a Facebook group or two out there that might be a bit more easygoing with the information being sought.

 Forar wrote:
I'm not a mod, but I feel they've been pretty clear that IP infringing talk is verboten here, so whatever we may or may not believe isn't relevant.

You are correct.

The searches are readily done.
Heck, searching a few user names and a well known 3D printer pretty much will give everything a person would want.

The entire idea is so that those who paid for an IP and want to make money off of it should be able to do so.
It is only fair in the marketplace that those who create the original property are not discouraged from further creation because people immediately steal their ideas.
I like my money to go to creative people who's work I enjoy so I get to see more of it.

Unfortunately Palladium has created a bit of a strange situation where much wanted product has had about a 4 year pause and some of us are literally dying off during that wait period.
Let what your conscience and the law dictate your actions and possibly a moderator if you get too out of control.

Quite frankly, if you can't wait any longer, the correct solution is to take Palladium to Small Claims Court, and demand that they make you whole.

Not to pirate things.

Sure, why not.

Here we go!

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/724423.page#9327854

Remember - Rule #1 and Rule #2!

20 years ago I would've dropped everything I could scrimp and scrounge for to get in on that.

Now... well, I guess it'll be interesting. I hope Carmen is doing well, and that he doesn't see a fraction of the shenanigans that this campaign has.

If nothing else, it'd be amusing to see him competently deliver in a timely fashion. I suspect that'd drive Kevin crazy.

 Forar wrote:
20 years ago I would've dropped everything I could scrimp and scrounge for to get in on that.

Now... well, I guess it'll be interesting. I hope Carmen is doing well, and that he doesn't see a fraction of the shenanigans that this campaign has.

If nothing else, it'd be amusing to see him competently deliver in a timely fashion. I suspect that'd drive Kevin crazy.

but that won't be the case, he will have to raise about $500K minimum to make this project real and most likely more, problem is he will have a low funded price of say $100K or maybe less and he won't get much more then that for it, since he will be charging about $50 for a board game with but a handful of minis which will not garner much attention, he will most likely bring in $170K and that will barely be enough for the taxs, KS fees and import fees which will be coming up with Trump's new plans for making America Great, which i'm sure Carmen has not taken into account, then there will be the cost of molds and printers and so forth, the game will not get produced ever.

 Forar wrote:
I hope Carmen is doing well, and that he doesn't see a fraction of the shenanigans that this campaign has.

Carmen is bipolar manic-depressive, and almost committed suicide over mere 2-hour exchange of words. When it's 100s or 1000s of backers putting pressure on him to deliver, on top of being deeply in the hole to Kevin for license fees, a nervous breakdown is pretty likely. Especially if people poke at him as Kevin's obvious proxy surrogate. If it drives him to suicide, I want no part of that.

GabrielV wrote:
I still have all three modes of my VF-1S. (They were sold with all the head parts for the A, J, and S) Although they've seen better days.

I always regretted not being able to get (not being able to afford) the "Excalibur" destroid. I also would have liked a "Raidar X", but I don't think I ever saw one of those for sale.

Palladium wasn't associated with those miniatures. In fact, it was clear even back then that Unca Kev didn't want to give them any promotion. I forget if the books even had anything but the most brief passing mention of them in between urgings to buy Heroes Unlimited and Palladium Fantasy. I think I only discovered they existed by seeing them in the LGS one day back in 1986.

I ' ll say this all of the Destroids were done and I had the Raidar X mint in the package. I sold it way back on e-bay it went to Germany. I have some Excalibur and Gladiator loose left to keep. I brought all my Robotech and Battletech stuff from Hobby Kingdom on 6mile and Gratiot in Detroit Michigan. They long gone now that the other problem there so few Game and Game Hobby shops left now. I don't know who Dark Horse mini company was but the who sculpt mini were same that did Battletech for Ral Partha Summer was the name on the package. I know what you mean about the game shop selling of the minis the Tactical Battle Pod was hard get all the other Battle Pods and Officer pods were easy to get go figure that one out. I hope that helps

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Forar wrote:
I hope Carmen is doing well, and that he doesn't see a fraction of the shenanigans that this campaign has.

Carmen is bipolar manic-depressive, and almost committed suicide over mere 2-hour exchange of words. When it's 100s or 1000s of backers putting pressure on him to deliver, on top of being deeply in the hole to Kevin for license fees, a nervous breakdown is pretty likely. Especially if people poke at him as Kevin's obvious proxy surrogate. If it drives him to suicide, I want no part of that.

You're assuming he isn't a sociopathic grifter like Kevin. Think about it this way...

The crazy exchange that led to much sympathy-garnering attention was something that could/would have affected funding. Which affects the amount of money he'll see from his upcoming scam.

However, once the project has funded, as our buddy Kevin Simbieda has shown, the amount of actual pressure from that point is zero. Why take a drastic action? Why work on it? You've got your money.

Hell, the WKOPB will have another arrow in their quiver - "Hey dumbass, they didn't deliver RRT. You thought they'd deliver this one? It's your fault, not theirs!

That exchange doesn't engender sympathy - it engendered pity. Carmen is a pitable man, not a sympathetic one. He got what he deserved.

However, his family didn't. And that's where I draw the line.

If it was just him (or better, Kevin), I'd break out the popcorn and join the betting pools for his nervous breakdown, suicide attempt, and An Hero Award. But if the dude has a family, then joining the crowd to shout "Jump! Jump!" as he stands at the precipice is a tad unseemly.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
That exchange doesn't engender sympathy - it engendered pity. Carmen is a pitable man, not a sympathetic one. He got what he deserved.

However, his family didn't. And that's where I draw the line.

If it was just him (or better, Kevin), I'd break out the popcorn and join the betting pools for his nervous breakdown, suicide attempt, and An Hero Award. But if the dude has a family, then joining the crowd to shout "Jump! Jump!" as he stands at the precipice is a tad unseemly.

and yet by his continuing to do something so stressful and strenuous he is even saying jump jump to himself.

Asterios wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
That exchange doesn't engender sympathy - it engendered pity. Carmen is a pitable man, not a sympathetic one. He got what he deserved.
However, his family didn't. And that's where I draw the line.
If it was just him (or better, Kevin), I'd break out the popcorn and join the betting pools for his nervous breakdown, suicide attempt, and An Hero Award. But if the dude has a family, then joining the crowd to shout "Jump! Jump!" as he stands at the precipice is a tad unseemly.

and yet by his continuing to do something so stressful and strenuous he is even saying jump jump to himself.

@Asterios: This statement seems to be assuming he is mentally competent to make a sound decision: he may still need help.

John has the right idea that when a person has family, you no longer have the right to risk yourself: you have responsibilities.
Every time I think of doing some incredibly fun thrill-seeking thing, I still have to think what the odds are of me getting hurt or dead and then to back away.
Being in a catamaran with a tiger shark following me was one of those wake-up moments to head back to shore.
I think of Keven and Carmen having a little parallelism there.

By letting PB/Kevin be allowed to talk about release dates is allowing them to dictate his product launch.
Them having ANY say will put stress on Carmen, especially since they have a fine history of not being involved but still willing to make speculative guesses based on no facts.
PB should respectfully be told to shut up.

 Talizvar wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
That exchange doesn't engender sympathy - it engendered pity. Carmen is a pitable man, not a sympathetic one. He got what he deserved.
However, his family didn't. And that's where I draw the line.
If it was just him (or better, Kevin), I'd break out the popcorn and join the betting pools for his nervous breakdown, suicide attempt, and An Hero Award. But if the dude has a family, then joining the crowd to shout "Jump! Jump!" as he stands at the precipice is a tad unseemly.

and yet by his continuing to do something so stressful and strenuous he is even saying jump jump to himself.

@Asterios: This statement seems to be assuming he is mentally competent to make a sound decision: he may still need help.

John has the right idea that when a person has family, you no longer have the right to risk yourself: you have responsibilities.
Every time I think of doing some incredibly fun thrill-seeking thing, I still have to think what the odds are of me getting hurt or dead and then to back away.
Being in a catamaran with a tiger shark following me was one of those wake-up moments to head back to shore.
I think of Keven and Carmen having a little parallelism there.

By letting PB/Kevin be allowed to talk about release dates is allowing them to dictate his product launch.
Them having ANY say will put stress on Carmen, especially since they have a fine history of not being involved but still willing to make speculative guesses based on no facts.
PB should respectfully be told to shut up.

and where is Carmen's family? sorry if someone in my family had issues like this the last thing I would let them do is a Kickstarter with PB's name attached to it.

Asterios wrote:
and where is Carmen's family? sorry if someone in my family had issues like this the last thing I would let them do is a Kickstarter with PB's name attached to it.

Lots of dynamics in a family.
Some more dysfunctional than others.

Can't say that a suicidal episode as a young man kept my mother from treating me like a piece of garbage afterward, saying I denied her the opportunity to be the grieving mother.

Trying to shockingly state that not everything is normal in the world as this Kickstarter handily points out.
Whenever someone feels suicidal it is typically because some SOB is involved making your life hell.

This is why when I find people of that bad kind of nature I have no mercy for them: you have no idea what depths they go for attention and selfishness.
Rogue Heroes has paid money to PB and one way or another enable or support them: I cannot in turn support their Kickstarter.
Carmen, however has some of my understanding and sympathy BUT he really needs to cut loose from destabilizing elements if not for himself, for his family.

 Talizvar wrote:

Asterios wrote:
and where is Carmen's family? sorry if someone in my family had issues like this the last thing I would let them do is a Kickstarter with PB's name attached to it.

Lots of dynamics in a family.
Some more dysfunctional than others.

Can't say that a suicidal episode as a young man kept my mother from treating me like a piece of garbage afterward, saying I denied her the opportunity to be the grieving mother.

Trying to shockingly state that not everything is normal in the world as this Kickstarter handily points out.
Whenever someone feels suicidal it is typically because some SOB is involved making your life hell.

This is why when I find people of that bad kind of nature I have no mercy for them: you have no idea what depths they go for attention and selfishness.
Rogue Heroes has paid money to PB and one way or another enable or support them: I cannot in turn support their Kickstarter.
Carmen, however has some of my understanding and sympathy BUT he really needs to cut loose from destabilizing elements if not for himself, for his family.

well it seems his family does not care, so not sure I can show them sympathy either, and the fact even the blind can see how bad Kevin is so cannot show
Carmen sympathy either, so no sympathy to show and something tells me this whole fiasco is going to go very bad, very bad.

Asterios wrote:
well it seems his family does not care, so not sure I can show them sympathy either, and the fact even the blind can see how bad Kevin is so cannot show
Carmen sympathy either, so no sympathy to show and something tells me this whole fiasco is going to go very bad, very bad.

All that stuff goes full circle: we want sympathy for our plight of being stiffed by PB.
But cannot see that the very same thing is about to happen to a licensee getting stiffed by association.
We have zero knowledge of the financials for that family so there may be no choice but to proceed or starve for all we know.

Not sure how I got off the topic of being all outraged that I did not get my little models and Kevin has taken my toys and gone home with my money.
Outraged I tell you.

 Talizvar wrote:
Not sure how I got off the topic of being all outraged that I did not get my little models and Kevin has taken my toys and gone home with my money.
Outraged I tell you.

It's probably the sheer lack of actual information or progress on the actual RRT KS that's pushing things into tangential stuff. Like Crazy Carmen stirring up the RRT backer pot and creating drama on top of drama.

Well, I guess what the weekly PBWU will be all about this week.

I left my feelings on the gRifts discussion above. It is kinda sad though - I love all kinds of miniatures, and those posted look pretty good, there's just no way I am going to back it or buy it should it ever materialize in retail. Not so long as this fiasco continues.

 Talizvar wrote:

Asterios wrote:
well it seems his family does not care, so not sure I can show them sympathy either, and the fact even the blind can see how bad Kevin is so cannot show
Carmen sympathy either, so no sympathy to show and something tells me this whole fiasco is going to go very bad, very bad.

All that stuff goes full circle: we want sympathy for our plight of being stiffed by PB.
But cannot see that the very same thing is about to happen to a licensee getting stiffed by association.
We have zero knowledge of the financials for that family so there may be no choice but to proceed or starve for all we know.

Not sure how I got off the topic of being all outraged that I did not get my little models and Kevin has taken my toys and gone home with my money.
Outraged I tell you.

oh the financials are bad, Carmen sunk everything even his home into this project and he realizes it may have been a mistake especially being tied to Kevin and PB and that might have been the stressor that sent him over the edge.

the problemis Carmen is in the position he may have been better off cutting and running, but because he is sticking with it and that may end up costing him more then he is willing to lose.

Latest PBWU is up.

Starts with yet another firesale for RRT (about 30% off MSRP). At this point, it's almost the default price. Also selling the RPG stuff.

gRifts got pushed to next Friday. Imagine that! A Palladium related project missing it's deadline. I'm shocked. Shocked I say!

Fairly lengthy section on RRT

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™ and other books wrote:We continue to move forward, plan and plot the revitalization of this game line with RRT Wave Two and many other related products and Robotech® titles. We don’t want to announce anything until we have hard details but we are working toward several exciting products and plans. Meanwhile, I want to point out that the original Robotech® RPG books from the 1980s and 1990s are being made available as PDF editions on DriveThruRPG.com and offer several ship floor plans (RDF Manual has the Prometheus and Daedalus; Zentraedi sourcebook has a number of Zentraedi ships), as well as maps and other information that you might find useful as resources for battles and objectives. Robotech® and RRT are never out of our thoughts.

Summary - Working on it, we promise. Won't show anything to prove it. BUY THE RPGS! Pablum.

On the RPG front, still flogging Dark Designs RAW, final shifted to July. Still promising May releases for two books. And a third in June.

I give this PBWU

I'd have added a fourth if they'd been stupid enough to actually mention that we're past the 4 year anniversary of the original campaign.

You missed the best part; Kevin is now describing things as "juicy".
Yeah that's what I look in games and RPGS.

 Genoside07 wrote:
You missed the best part; Kevin is now describing things as "juicy".
Yeah that's what I look in games and RPGS.

As long as you don't connect the "Juicy" with the fact that he mentioned that he was "hot" when he was writing in his last update you won't get any untoward images in your head.

Juicy mouthwatering hotness is how I am going to describe the 1$ contribution I will be making to the Rifts Kickstarter from here on out.

Carmen is operating out pf canada. Increase shipping costs but take away trump tariffs.

 jaymz wrote:
Carmen is operating out pf canada. Increase shipping costs but take away trump tariffs.

I think there's a better than even chance gRifts will ship from within the continental United States. There's a warehouse that's been run by people with 30+ years in the gaming industry that I'm sure would make a useful distribution point. Luckily, it is not 30 miles from Carmen, in Westland Michigan. They already have experience with dealing with anywhere up to 5342 orders, and are capable of shipping internationally, even if it takes them 6+ months to ship to Australia, despite assurances that all recipients would get their product prior to it being available at retail. As there doesn't seem to be any likelihood of them needing large volumes of warehouse space in the near future for either a second print run, or more importantly, a completion of the first print run, despite promises that they would do so in October of 2014, sometime in 2015, 2016, AND 2017, I'm sure they'd be happy to help.

For a sizeable cut, of course.

I'm sure everything would be above board.

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™ and other books wrote:We continue to move forward, plan and plot the revitalization of this game line with RRT Wave Two and many other related products and Robotech® titles. We don’t want to announce anything until we have hard details but we are working toward several exciting products and plans. Meanwhile, I want to point out that the original Robotech® RPG books from the 1980s and 1990s are being made available as PDF editions on DriveThruRPG.com and offer several ship floor plans (RDF Manual has the Prometheus and Daedalus; Zentraedi sourcebook has a number of Zentraedi ships), as well as maps and other information that you might find useful as resources for battles and objectives. Robotech® and RRT are never out of our thoughts.