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I was on the Palladium forums just a few days ago, seeing if they had updated anything about RTT on there...
Of course they didn't but I read a post from Mad Man Mike about help supporting the games..

Here is his post..


So basically the Game Shops where he lives in doesn't carry the product yet he is someone that is a regular contributor to Palladium, but why doesn't he try to push the game by hosting games there and requesting product to be carried.
The other weird thing is he gave a book to a complete stranger he met in the streets in hopes that he would like the game, that is a very big gamble. Plus he should be asking himself why the younger generation isn't aware of the product.

The times I have spoken to shop owners and the topic of Palladium comes up, their comments is that a very small number of players have interest and most of the time their product just sits on the shelf for years. On top of that, one shop
commented that they try to order stuff but are consistently late on shipping product; Usually at least six to eight months late, so how do you build interest in a game when you don't know when you are going to get it. The other thing is to keep interest in your product you need regular release to keep it in the eyes of people.. If we only got one star wars release a year with no notice when it would deliver; I think it would wither away.

Plus word of mouth goes a long way..Just walk into a shop that still carries RTT, point blank ask the clerk about it. Most of the time they will either play dumb (just unaware) or they will be honest about the burning sewage pile that is the kickstarter.

Asterios wrote:
You know the thing I find funny is how PB's idea of advertising is advertising to those who already have the items, they do no outside advertising of any sorts, no promotions, no nothing.

Firstly, Real Fans (tm) spread the word for Palladium. Kevin asks them to tell their friends and families, so they do. It's done a great job so far...

Secondly, Real Fans (tm) buy more than one of each book. What do they do with them? No clue. Maybe we should ask Jorel.


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I guess it doesn't surprise me that posters on LAF are saying that they guy who is doing the painting for gRifts takes money and doesn't send what was paid for.

 n815e wrote:

Asterios wrote:
You know the thing I find funny is how PB's idea of advertising is advertising to those who already have the items, they do no outside advertising of any sorts, no promotions, no nothing.

Firstly, Real Fans (tm) spread the word for Palladium. Kevin asks them to tell their friends and families, so they do. It's done a great job so far...

Secondly, Real Fans (tm) buy more than one of each book. What do they do with them? No clue. Maybe we should ask Jorel.


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I guess it doesn't surprise me that posters on LAF are saying that they guy who is doing the painting for gRifts takes money and doesn't send what was paid for.

I have a question , what is LAF by the way?

Lead Adventure Forum.

thanks

Guess Madmanmike just got himself added to the hater's list.

Umm...

So, 2d10 is a "power move" and it's shocking someone would allow it in their game?

Oh, and Rifts is a hard system to learn? No it isn't. It's a bad system. It's not a hard system.

No real hate here for Mike... More to the point of pity.. How most of the Fan Friends don't see any problem with the game.. the rules.. or how the company is ran...

Everyone has an opinion for every game company out there, but when most of the opinions match for the good or bad..usually it is a barometer of truth of what is really going on..

My posting was more to showing how unaware a contributor is to the public views of their game, this is the same reason that Adepticon report was
action packed with tons of visitors to their booth. It's the "glass is half full" or "almost empty but still has more than enough for everyone" kind of view.

It is good to stay positive about things when times are troubling.. but I am really not sure what Palladium is doing.. It seems more delusional than anything.

The reason the few remaining die hard contributors like Mike do not or can not see the issues are because they do not actually play, and in a number of cases have never played, anything BUT Palladium.

I cut my teeth on Top Secret/S.I. and Star Wars D6. Palladium back in the day was interesting and a bit different (to me as I never played D&D at the time) and the setting was very much up my alley.

When I had locals who played then playing was great ....but truth be told that is the case for any system.

Now we get "Oh I play Pathfinder, no I don't play D&D" etc. Players are becoming more snobbish in what they will and won't play as well so that does not help the hobby any. Again, back in the day (yes many of us are from back in the day you young whipper snappers) it usually didn't matter what the game was, we played to play and not because "oooo it's THIS game let's play". It is why I have 20ish different mini games on my shelf, all old, all enjoyed by me at least at one time or another.

Practically, it's not the RPG system that's the problem. Any setting can theoretically be adapted to another system, it's just the extra work the GM and players have to do. Convenience plays a part, definitely.

It's more the dearth of products. Every setting needs new products every now and then to keep the interest going. PB had Rifts going for a number of years, until basically their logistics got so bad that nobody wants to wait for their products any more.

Sure, the PB system is broken in some areas, but that is something the GM and his players can accommodate, since RPG is intrinsically a local social group event.

Robotech (to bring this back on topic) had so few releases over the years that there is basically no young audience that can continue the hobby. People still remember Macross because every few years they pump a new series out, but Robotech was a dead fish. Heck even HG tried more than PB, with the Shadow Chronicles film.

Using RRT as a RPG supplement to push for a revival could have worked out but it was a hard approach for a company that has few insights into the miniatures genre. That should be something PB recognize and adjusted for, but my opinion is that their arrogance at having survived that long as an independent has clouded judgement.

 Genoside07 wrote:
I was on the Palladium forums just a few days ago, seeing if they had updated anything about RTT on there...
Of course they didn't but I read a post from Mad Man Mike about help supporting the games..

Here is his post..

Spoiler:

My day job (evenings actually, 3-11PM) is in assisted living, so I work out of a house. This house is in a college town and the house next door is rental property that's been empty for over a year. A couple of weeks ago some students moved in, and several times when I've gone out to get something out of my car later in the evening they've been hanging out on the porch talking.

Two nights ago I overheard one of them say "..first level fireball spell that does 2D10." I had to see what that was about so I went over and questioned what system would allow such a power move. One immediately commented "Only in Rolla Missouri can a random passer-by hear you talking D&D and know what it's about."

Yeah, they play 5e, but when they asked if I played and I said Palladium, they hadn't heard of it. When I said Rifts one said "Oh, that's that game Spencer was talking about, the one he loves the art for!" After chatting for a bit I told them I'd bring an extra copy of RUE for them to look at and see if they were interested in me running a game for them.

Yesterday I went by again and met Spencer. He was raised playing Rifts, and hit one key nail on the head. "If you don't have an old-school gamer to introduce you to the system, it's difficult to get into it. The settings are awesome but the rules are difficult to learn."

That's not an insult to the system, it's a window into the changes our society has gone through. Us geezers can go out of our way to bring new blood into the fold, but I think it's about time we streamlined the rules to bring them in in droves..

So basically the Game Shops where he lives in doesn't carry the product yet he is someone that is a regular contributor to Palladium, but why doesn't he try to push the game by hosting games there and requesting product to be carried.
The other weird thing is he gave a book to a complete stranger he met in the streets in hopes that he would like the game, that is a very big gamble. Plus he should be asking himself why the younger generation isn't aware of the product.

The times I have spoken to shop owners and the topic of Palladium comes up, their comments is that a very small number of players have interest and most of the time their product just sits on the shelf for years. On top of that, one shop
commented that they try to order stuff but are consistently late on shipping product; Usually at least six to eight months late, so how do you build interest in a game when you don't know when you are going to get it. The other thing is to keep interest in your product you need regular release to keep it in the eyes of people.. If we only got one star wars release a year with no notice when it would deliver; I think it would wither away.

Plus word of mouth goes a long way..Just walk into a shop that still carries RTT, point blank ask the clerk about it. Most of the time they will either play dumb (just unaware) or they will be honest about the burning sewage pile that is the kickstarter.

I love how he deflects the issue with the RIFT's system away from that garbage and onto kids these days. and you notice how the one guy raved about the artwork, but nothing about the game, sorry but my BS meter is going haywire.

Well....mike is someone once said to me "kevin can't spent 4 months on book they need to produce more thats why book X isnt out yet" as if to say other stuff can be done faster thus kevin works on those instead........ just after Kevin had spent 4 months on what amounted to a splat book for rifts and gakky one at that. So you see people like him are as willfully blind/ingnorant as Kevin himself.

Bringing it back to topic;

The reason I posted his comment is I am amazed how a company and the people associated with it are so blind of their problems.
This should be a clear sign of how Robotech Tactics will end.. It will drag on until the end of time, putting out a half baked expansion
years late and not what people are asking for.

That's why I pity them, they couldn't do a similar job in a corporate environment. Not sure what keeps the doors open and they have
no concern how to keep them open..

 Genoside07 wrote:
That's why I pity them, they couldn't do a similar job in a corporate environment. Not sure what keeps the doors open and they have no concern how to keep them open.

The corporate environment has plenty of its own issues, like the incredible amounts of unnecessary stress put upon individuals to garner a smidgen of extra profits. Just because you don't run a business like a corporation isn't necessarily a bad thing, as long as you still run it like a business.

I assume that Kevin owns the building they're based in, so all he has to pay is property taxes and utilities. It's amazing how lean you can run if you don't need to turn a profit and only have a few people's wages to cover. So sales of previous efforts are allowing Palladium to coast along, and they probably only push new product out the door when it reaches a critical point. Basically, Kevin can afford to be lazy, or can afford to derp around doing whatever he does instead of actually getting stuff done - like writing Palladium newsletter updates.

Okay, so it's late, and mostly spoiled already, but the PBWU is up. And me being late is kinda fitting in with PB in general, so what the hell.

We open with a Rifter sale. Not for subscriptions, but for back copies. Really? Your introduction is selling old magazines (and only those currently in the warehouse) at a 30% discount? And when I say 30%, in typical PB fashion, I mean 30%. So we get amounts like $8.37, $9.77 and $17.47. Because when it comes to discount (as we know from the CGB's), PB are absolutely ridiculous about specificity that has no real meaning.

Then we get an explanation of why gRifts failed. Carmen, can you hear that? That's a bus. Carmen, that firm pressure on your back, that's Kevin pushing you under said bus. Of course, all of the problems with the campaign (as stated in the PBWU) is Carmen being unprepared. And don't get me wrong, he was. But PB's complicity in the project? Apparently not a factor at all. All Carmen's fault.

Then we have the RRT stuff that Genoside already showed on the previous page.

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™ and other books
Never forgotten, we are trying to pull some things together that would be pretty epic. More when we have something solid to report. Meanwhile, more of the original Robotech® RPG books from the 1980s and 1990s are being made available as PDF editions on DriveThruRPG.com every week (more or less). And the current Robotech® RPG titles will soon be available as ebooks. We will keep you posted on all fronts.

Seriously, I wonder how Kevin's able to write when he's so obviously jerking off as he types. Pretty epic? This is such a lost cause, Mr's Custer, Bowie and Crockett all would send their sympathies. Keep us posted on all fronts? Who's he trying to kid. I'd settle for being posted on one front. The man is delusional, or hoping we are.

Anyways, we finally have book rescheduling updates! And significant slideage! It was to be expected, but the two books scheduled for a May release have finally been timeshifted. I know, right? I'm just as shocked as you are.

HOH Arsenal has gone from May to Summer.
Disavowed has gone from Spring/Summer to Summer.
Garden of the Gods has gone from"tentative May/June" to Summer.
Atlanteans has gone from May to June.
Sovietski has remained static as Summer.
Dark Designs is now June instead of June/July.
I'll add in Face of Death listed as Summer/Fall, as that also lists all the books that are in the "Coming Soon 2017" section.

Note, that in this PBWU from January 15th LAST YEAR, that Arsenal (originally part of HOH), Disavowed, Gardens, and Atlanteans were all listed as the first half of THAT year too. Plus another three books that have since been consigned to Later in 2017 and 2018. So for those keeping score, in the last 16 months since that PBWU, they've released one book "on time*" (Heroes came in just under the wire), and one book six months late (Hell Followed). And that's the total output of PB in almost 18 months (Ressurection shipped December 2nd, 2015). Wheee!

* That's based on the 2016 "Coming Soon" list. It's been on the schedule since at least early 2015 (as far back as I was willing to look). First appearance of a release date was November 20th, saying it'd be "early January", and he missed that target by a mile.

I give this PBWU . There was a real opportunity to max out at five, but he didn't throw RRT backers under the bus with Carmen in blaming them for the failure of gRifts, nor did he remind backers that it has been 4 years today, since Robotech funded.

Oh, and for those following along at home, in on the 2nd of May 2014, we saw the first actual sprues, and in three weeks we'll have the three year anniversary of RRT going into production (kind of). With delivery starting on October 3rd, which is 112 days. And for those bad at math, that puts the required start time for Wave 2, to be finished this year (and Kevin hasn't changed that date publicly, because he's bad at this) at September 10th. Which is ironically 112 days from now. So we are literally at the halfway point for this year to be possible. Anyone silly enough to take the under?

Merijeek wrote:
Oh, and Rifts is a hard system to learn? No it isn't. It's a bad system. It's not a hard system.

Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but they're not mutually exclusive. It can be a bad system because it's hard to learn (in terms of poorly laid out rules, which are often inconsistent, counter-intuitive or overly complicated), or hard to learn because it's badly thought out.

As someone who spent over half a decade playing Rifts campaigns, I have no argument against it being both bad and hard to learn. The setting/possibilities were engaging, but there were plenty of times we had fun *in spite* of the mechanics rather than because of it.

It was fun enough for playing with friends at the time, but eventually we grew tired of fighting to make the system work, so we picked up D&D 3E when it came out, and other than a few Play By Post games, we never really looked back. (and then 4E became the love of my life, but that's another story)

 John Prins wrote:

 Genoside07 wrote:
That's why I pity them, they couldn't do a similar job in a corporate environment. Not sure what keeps the doors open and they have no concern how to keep them open.

The corporate environment has plenty of its own issues, like the incredible amounts of unnecessary stress put upon individuals to garner a smidgen of extra profits. Just because you don't run a business like a corporation isn't necessarily a bad thing, as long as you still run it like a business.

I assume that Kevin owns the building they're based in, so all he has to pay is property taxes and utilities. It's amazing how lean you can run if you don't need to turn a profit and only have a few people's wages to cover. So sales of previous efforts are allowing Palladium to coast along, and they probably only push new product out the door when it reaches a critical point. Basically, Kevin can afford to be lazy, or can afford to derp around doing whatever he does instead of actually getting stuff done - like writing Palladium newsletter updates.

Actually the property is under lease in Wayne's name. Now haven't been able to verify but heard his lease is up soon and he may not be able to stay there much longer.As it goes something tells me Kevin was counting on the Kickstarter to fund (even though it wasn't his company nor did he have any authority over it and the project).

Asterios wrote:

Actually the property is under lease in Wayne's name. Now haven't been able to verify but heard his lease is up soon and he may not be able to stay there much longer.As it goes something tells me Kevin was counting on the Kickstarter to fund (even though it wasn't his company nor did he have any authority over it and the project).

Under lease from whom, though? It all sounds pretty shady, like they're trying to obfuscate Palladium's assets.

 John Prins wrote:

Asterios wrote:

Actually the property is under lease in Wayne's name. Now haven't been able to verify but heard his lease is up soon and he may not be able to stay there much longer.As it goes something tells me Kevin was counting on the Kickstarter to fund (even though it wasn't his company nor did he have any authority over it and the project).

Under lease from whom, though? It all sounds pretty shady, like they're trying to obfuscate Palladium's assets.

well lets see, Kevin had a garage sale at his address this recent Thur. thru Sat. ? anyone here anything about that? and surprised he didn't let all his fan friends know about it.

Giant Toy Sale - Liquidating Private Collection - May 18-20

Dates: Thursday, May 18, 2017 - Saturday, May 20, 2017
Address: 39074 Webb Ct, Westland, MI

Giant Toy Sale Inside Warehouse -- 100s of Star Wars toys - Marvel, DC



100s of Star Wars toys - Marvel, DC, Batman, & More!

39074 Webb Court - Westland, MI 48185 Star Wars -- 100s & 100s of action figures 1980s to 2008 Star Wars vehicles -- 1980s to 2006 Star Wars 12 inch figures -- 1990s to 2004 Star Wars Micro Machines -- 1990s Marvel Legends (many) Marvel Universe (many) Spider-Man (many) Avengers X-Men -- (many) Iron-Man (many) Fantastic Four (many) Spawn -- 100+ figures Superman Batman (many) Justice League/Total Justice Vintage GI Joe Vintage Ninja Turtles Star Trek - Aliens - Terminator - Robotech® Other Superhero Toys, Posters & Collectibles Most toys are very good to mint in package -- hundreds and hundreds of action figures - dozens of vehicles - some vintage 1980s and 1990s Star Wars, G.I. Joe figures and vehicles, Ninja Turtles and Thunder Cats, Marvel Superheroes and others. All priced to sell.All sales final. Cash preferred. Credit Cards accepted.39074 Webb Court, Westland, MI 48185; near I-275 and Ford Road; off of Warren, between Hix and Lotz. 10 AM to 7:00 PM.

by the way the above garage sale reeks of desperation me thinks, also me thinks Kevin does not want to scare his fans by mentioning it to them.

Also I show a Zsi LLC. at their address too.

 Forar wrote:
It was fun enough for playing with friends at the time, but eventually we grew tired of fighting to make the system work, so we picked up D&D 3E when it came out, and other than a few Play By Post games, we never really looked back. (and then 4E became the love of my life, but that's another story)

Ohhhh, one of us, one of us!! (Well, not really, but it's the edition of D&D that I enjoy more playing and GMing, so there.)

 Forar wrote:
It was fun enough for playing with friends at the time, but eventually we grew tired of fighting to make the system work, so we picked up D&D 3E when it came out, and other than a few Play By Post games, we never really looked back. (and then 4E became the love of my life, but that's another story)

Add me to the 4E love train.

On topic, assembled my Breetai over the weekend. Honestly, it's not a bad model. You can tell where they cut some corners with the sculpt, but mold lines were almost non-existent. It was a nice change of pace from some more complex modern molds.

Hey Rick...where did you find the garage sale info?

Yes, please?

Because if Palladium 'themselves' published it publicly, OK.

If not - that needs to go away, ASAP.

Unless that's PB's business address?

Hurry up and reply, please.

A little cursory Google'ing indicates the sale itself was listed on some garage sale sites;

https://gsalr.com/giant-toy-sale-liquidating-westland-mi-31541443.html

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nqhzEl32QowJ:https://garagesalefinder.com/print/farmington-mi/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

Why Rick was looking for Michigan garage sales, I have no idea. But it does look like this was publicly available information.

 Forar wrote:
A little cursory Google'ing indicates the sale itself was listed on some garage sale sites;

https://gsalr.com/giant-toy-sale-liquidating-westland-mi-31541443.html

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nqhzEl32QowJ:https://garagesalefinder.com/print/farmington-mi/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

Why Rick was looking for Michigan garage sales, I have no idea. But it does look like this was publicly available information.

yes it was publically available, furthermore no mention of the business in any of the ads(like he was trying to keep it secret from anyone looking the company up?), no mention of it by Kevin in one of his weekly updates and I wasn't even looking for it, it just popped up in my broad spectrum search.

Wow.

I wonder how many things had their "mint condition" ruined by Kevin signing every box and blister card.

Asterios wrote:

 Forar wrote:
A little cursory Google'ing indicates the sale itself was listed on some garage sale sites;

https://gsalr.com/giant-toy-sale-liquidating-westland-mi-31541443.html

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nqhzEl32QowJ:https://garagesalefinder.com/print/farmington-mi/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

Why Rick was looking for Michigan garage sales, I have no idea. But it does look like this was publicly available information.

yes it was publically available, furthermore no mention of the business in any of the ads(like he was trying to keep it secret from anyone looking the company up?), no mention of it by Kevin in one of his weekly updates and I wasn't even looking for it, it just popped up in my broad spectrum search.

Your 'broad spectrum search' for...what, exactly?

 Alpharius wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 Forar wrote:
A little cursory Google'ing indicates the sale itself was listed on some garage sale sites;

https://gsalr.com/giant-toy-sale-liquidating-westland-mi-31541443.html

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nqhzEl32QowJ:https://garagesalefinder.com/print/farmington-mi/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

Why Rick was looking for Michigan garage sales, I have no idea. But it does look like this was publicly available information.

yes it was publically available, furthermore no mention of the business in any of the ads(like he was trying to keep it secret from anyone looking the company up?), no mention of it by Kevin in one of his weekly updates and I wasn't even looking for it, it just popped up in my broad spectrum search.

Your 'broad spectrum search' for...what, exactly?

Everything PB

Why are you spending time 'broad spectrum searching' for 'everything PB'?!?

Did you already cash out/get your hush money?

You're not here just pouring gas on a fire/enjoying some quality schadenfreude/watching the world burn...

...are you?

 Alpharius wrote:
Why are you spending time 'broad spectrum searching' for 'everything PB'?!?

Did you already cash out/get your hush money?

You're not here just pouring gas on a fire/enjoying some quality schadenfreude/watching the world burn...

...are you?

Whats a little fire among friends