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Simple reply is nothing for RTT, books or otherwise until 2018 even in the most optimistic wishlisr.

Changing tack, the scanty imformation in the latest PBWU does suggest there may be changes, to what who knows /

However, kets have fun with a couple of possibilities - I fewwly acknowledge the likliehood of any PB progress on RTT is very very remote

First off PB having realised they cannor do all of wave 2 in one go, deciided to split it into w2 and now w3. Wpuld a limited run of say super valks, Fpa and MPA keep the wolves off them for awile?

Secomd a change of material to a softer plastic to enable preassembled pieces, possibility using Prodos's much touted unicast system - the thought occurred when I saw the route talen for the gRifts BG.

Just some ideas to play around with to pass the time

They could still only do it if they sold it to the general public - or got suckers to pay additional shipping for just those items.

At usurious rates, of course. Cuz Kev gotta get paid!

DEZOAT wrote:
Well I love to come here and read the posts that you all put up here. I read PB update for June 2 2017. What a load cow crap. They have no money for Wave 2 so they are stringing us along . Do any of you guys and gals believe they (PB) have any of New Robotech books out by Gen Con ? I don't . They scraping the bottom of the barrel for money. Its funny that they selling Robotech Rpg books in e-book form . I think they desperate for money. What a joke.

To be honest if it wasn't for the fact that I stopped buying their books due to how they've been treating you guys I know I'd be buying a few of them.

wilycoyote wrote:
Simple reply is nothing for RTT, books or otherwise until 2018 even in the most optimistic wishlisr.

Changing tack, the scanty imformation in the latest PBWU does suggest there may be changes, to what who knows /

However, kets have fun with a couple of possibilities - I fewwly acknowledge the likliehood of any PB progress on RTT is very very remote

First off PB having realised they cannor do all of wave 2 in one go, deciided to split it into w2 and now w3. Wpuld a limited run of say super valks, Fpa and MPA keep the wolves off them for awile?

Secomd a change of material to a softer plastic to enable preassembled pieces, possibility using Prodos's much touted unicast system - the thought occurred when I saw the route talen for the gRifts BG.

Just some ideas to play around with to pass the time

They can't afford the shipping for Wave 2, so adding additional waves wouldn't work. I guess they could ask backers to pony up additional shipping, but what are the odds enough backers would give PB more money?

Changing material would cause rioting. At least, going by what happens to Mantic whenever they announce a material change.

There is little chance we will ever get a substantial and informative update, let alone Wave 2. They have had years to post a simple update with the production status of the minis and they can't be bothered to do it. Week after week we hear the same sad, tired meaningless platitudes.

From PBs perspective, there is nothing good by spending money trying to finish RRT. Why throw good money after bad? They just can't tell us that.

So Kevin's going to keep kicking the can down the road until retirement and/or death?

Maybe?

I dumped mine on ebay and got $117.50. KS says I'm in for $255. So, I'm out $137.50 or a discounted 40k 8th starter set.

After reading all of this, I think the $ is gone and wave 2 and + will never happen.

I hope that my stuff took a sale away from PB.

I has been over 4 years (I think), he could have sand casted the mini's, took a sailboat to China, and hand cast all of the wave 2 stuff in that time. So, he hasn't. I don't believe that he wanted to screw over a bunch of customers. I think he just mismanaged almost all of this. I guessing this was his first trip to the land of big $ and at one point he had a bank account with over a million dollars in it. Therefore, the only real reason that we don't have our stuff is that PB can't make it. Casters in China would gladly take more of his money, hence that leaves that there isn't enough $ left.

If PB admits this, sure some KS thing will happen and people will attempt to get refunds. But, guess what he doesn't have it. PB would declare bankruptcy and we'd all be the proud owners of some RRT wave 1 stuff and Rift books.

What is the chance that we will be playing the next version of 40k before we get any real news from PB?

 Alpharius wrote:
So Kevin's going to keep kicking the can down the road until retirement and/or death?

Maybe?

That's become my primary theory. AFAIK, Kevin's able to claim retirement this time next year (age 62). As can pretty much every other member of the staff, except one. Hope you've got an exit plan, Wayne.

I don't expect him to retire immediately, but as long as he can kick the can to April, the pressure is off for him, and he can start giving even less feths than he does now.

Of course that'll be a big hit to his ego, his company going bankrupt. But we know the kind of person he is. He'll be able to self justify it as being the "haterz" fault. And he'll have enough fanbois that will take that as gospel.

Note, I don't think that this was the original plan, but I think ever since not long after the big history of everything, it was at least something he's considered.

Action figures are not going to sustain a long retirement.

 n815e wrote:
Action figures are not going to sustain a long retirement.

I was more thinking just social security payments, which can be started at age 62. Which I believe are protected from bankruptcy provisions. Not that I expect him to be personally liable when HMS Palladium inevitably runs aground.

AFAIK (and IANAL), if corporate funds are misused within the corporate structure, then it's the corporation that's liable, and not any individual owners. The corporate shield is, if I'm understanding correctly, only pierced if something extra-corporate illegal was done (more than what's mostly speculated). So, if PB spent the money elsewhere within the corp (running costs, other projects), Kevin is protected. If he's been funnelling that money into his own accounts at more than a wages level, or buying yaghts for personal use, then he's not. So unless there's been some kind of financial criminality rather than corporate misuse, Kevin should be OK.

On a side note, I decided to skim through Kevin's biography (I wanted to double check his age for my first para), and while it's a slog, there's some interesting tidbits in there. Financial issues from inception (had to borrow money from a friend's mother to get the first book published), and lack of focus (the first book published was not the first book he wanted to do), and frequent delays (took three years to publish that first intended book). And a crapload of blather about how awesome he is. So in other words, almost 40 years on, nothing's changed.

 Desmodus wrote:

DEZOAT wrote:
Well I love to come here and read the posts that you all put up here. I read PB update for June 2 2017. What a load cow crap. They have no money for Wave 2 so they are stringing us along . Do any of you guys and gals believe they (PB) have any of New Robotech books out by Gen Con ? I don't . They scraping the bottom of the barrel for money. Its funny that they selling Robotech Rpg books in e-book form . I think they desperate for money. What a joke.

To be honest if it wasn't for the fact that I stopped buying their books due to how they've been treating you guys I know I'd be buying a few of them.

Well I was looking for the e-books from PB about 2 years ago and I was surprise there were none of the Robotech Rpg books at all. I have all Battletech books in e-books or PDFs to date , just in case something happen to my books collection. I wonder if PB is going to do all the Robotech Rpg books and the Macross II books? What funny is I was posting on PB Facebook why Kev didn't do this back 2014 he would sold a lot back then. Some one posted that Kev like to drag feet on things like that oh well his loss. Later.

No macross ii will be put out by pb. They no longer have the license and haven't for quite some time.

Thanks jaymz for the head up on Macross II license.

Well, we do seem to be finally running out of steam with RRT.
A watched pot never boils?
I keep thinking of this clip when things start coming to a close:Yep, even the PB site is pretty darn sleepy.
KS is moving a little.
Anyway, whatever will I do for another nostalgia fix?

RTT is a bin fire at low tide.. Any Rifts kickstarter will sink under its weight. Its funny how zombicide new kickstarter is over two million and
the Deception board game just started today and is on track to get its target goal the first day.

But we all know Kevin will keep saying "I am working on it" knowing that is nothing true about it. But that allows him to skirt around the kickstarter
rules till the end of time.. because that's what his lawyers told him to do..

So at the 50th anniversary of Gen Con owned by a guy he once sued the pants of... I am sure Kevin will be there with a good twenty feet of space
between him and the public..don't want to get the con crud or accidentally asked a question about something he doesn't want to answer.

Kevin has sued a lot of people (and you can tell from looking at Palladium Books's stunning success that it's a winning long term strategy) - can you be more specific?

Merijeek wrote:
Kevin has sued a lot of people (and you can tell from looking at Palladium Books's stunning success that it's a winning long term strategy) - can you be more specific?

I assume based on Google they mean Peter Adkison who owns Gen Con, LLC and was formerly at Wizards of the Coast who was sued by Palladium.

Info from: https://www.rpg.net/columns/briefhistory/briefhistory1.phtml

Yeah, that's it...

Kevin sues Peter causing his company to about go under..

Fast forward to now and Kevin is borderline bankrupt and Peter is so rich he runs Gen Con for something to do.

Maybe Kevin can sue Harmony Gold for their licence not being as popular as it was twenty years ago...

With the argument... But look at star wars...

Well.

Anyone builds ANYTHING to do with Robotech RPG Tactics please post it.
I got my Terragenisis stuff and so terrain for RRT and Battletech is next in the works if 40k does not keep calling me over with SWA or the much anticipated 8th edition.

One more thing to add to the list of RRT being in trouble is that now is probably the worst time EVER to attempt anything RRT.
No support from our PB friends and gaming companies are firing on all cylinders and kickstarters are cranking out good product.
They are doomed due to everyone else's success.

Even my finances are fairly reasonable which is a nice change and everything else is getting the money... or way too much travel lately (taking time from hobby AND money).
Airports tend to get upset when you pack sharp implements with flammable liquids.

I suppose these are the better "complaints" to have.

 Talizvar wrote:
Well.

Anyone builds ANYTHING to do with Robotech RPG Tactics please post it.
I got my Terragenisis stuff and so terrain for RRT and Battletech is next in the works if 40k does not keep calling me over with SWA or the much anticipated 8th edition.

One more thing to add to the list of RRT being in trouble is that now is probably the worst time EVER to attempt anything RRT.
No support from our PB friends and gaming companies are firing on all cylinders and kickstarters are cranking out good product.
They are doomed due to everyone else's success.

Even my finances are fairly reasonable which is a nice change and everything else is getting the money... or way too much travel lately (taking time from hobby AND money).
Airports tend to get upset when you pack sharp implements with flammable liquids.

I suppose these are the better "complaints" to have.

I'm not working on RRT at all unless asked. I'm focused on moving. If I can get a place with a game room, then I will get back to working on the rules and playtesting for Dimensional Warfare, which will include my RRT minis as well as my Invid, REF and all the rest. Battletech vs Robotech is really fun!

Dimensional Warfare? What happened to Nodal Wars?

Honestly, have you considered reaching out to Paulson games and coming up with a KS together (he makes the models, you make the game)?


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(You could even do homages, like CMON, to rub it in PB's face - the Terran Transforming Fighter Jet (with 3 modes), the Warrior Alien Chicken Walker and the Invader Cybot Shock Trooper....

Palladium Books® Presents
Rifts® Dimension Book™ Thirteen©
Dimensional Warfare
by Kevin Siembieda©

$24.95

Wave two is juicily boiling.

Excellent trolling, GabrielV - I had to go look on PB's site to be sure Mike hadn't turned to the dark side...

Latest PBWU is up.

The multi-week sale is still ongoing, and has prime location.

Nothing of note related to RRT. Surprise! The very first para of the PBWU talks about getting RRT moving. The section on RRT can be boiled down to "Working on it. Details when locked in. Excited!". Glad someone is excited, because I highly doubt more than 0.1% of non-employee backers are. Cause you know there are a couple.

There's still mention of the GenCon events. Nearly all the slots on the eight "materials provided" RRT games have sold. That's 51 of 58 slots, with only 7 remaining. And all events having hit their minimum player numbers. The two GenCon tournaments seem to be struggling though. 5 of 24 seats sold, neither event having reached the minimum 4 players listed. And it's probable that it's not 5 unique players, with one or two attendees likely signed up for both events. That is NOT good. Not entirely unexpected, though I'm surprised at the difference between the popular events and the tournaments. I honestly didn't think the need to assemble, paint and bring a small force would be that big a factor, but it looks like it is. Because people will play in droves, if they don't have to do that. Could also be the lack of co-ordination by PB. The first tournament starts at the same time as two Mat-Prov events. The second tourney (1PM Sat) overlaps two (2PM and 3PM). That probably didn't help attendance. It's really looking like these two tourneys are going to be like AdeptiCon and POH in being underattended. Not getting 10+ on either day (or 8+ on both) is IMO an indication that there just isn't an interest in RRT as a competitive venture. Of course, Kevin won't see it that way. I hope Dan's wearing his Hi-Vis vest, so that the bus Kevin throws him under if that happens, at least knows it ran over him.

Carmen and the board game get no mention. Normally this wouldn't be news, but if RRT is getting several sentences, when it's a bigger fairytale than gRifts, I'd expect something. It's not like Kevin is particularly constrained in his self-editing of the PBWU.

RPG release schedule has been rejiggered. Yeah, I know, right! I was shocked too!

HOH Arsenal has remained at Summer, but is listed as "On the drawing board". So that inspires confidence they'll hit that target.
Disavowed has remained at Summer, but is listed as "On the drawing board" too.
Garden of the Gods has remained at Summer, but is listed as "On the drawing board", as well. Yeah, those books aren't coming out this year.
Atlanteans has gone from June to June/July. With a premium version in August. What. Evah.
Sovietski has remained static as Summer.
Dark Designs is now July 15th (a specific date!) instead of June. Also, he's still pimping the RAW copies, which makes no sense to me. But Kevin gonna snakeoil.
Face of Death still listed as Summer/Fall.

Out of nowhere (pun not intended), comes "Rifts Living Nowhere". A book completely unmentioned prior, and set for release NEXT MONTH. So, either Kevin was playing this very close to the vest (unlikely, the man is an unabashed braggart and self-promoter) or someone dropped the manuscript on his desk, and he's announced a release date. Probably without reading it. Though he's already inserted himself into the credits. That's so unlike him. And apparently Nowhere is the name of a place. I wonder if it's a celestial being's skull.

Just a reminder, the first five books in that list were all listed as "Coming in the first six months of 2016". And that PB haven't released any retail product since November 9th 2016.

And that's it for this week.


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I have got to know who Kevin bribed to get prime position on the latest GenCon newsletter.



Ahhh. I see what it is. PB are offering 30% off in the coupon book. Given the coupon books have been steadily anemic, and discounts aren't common at GenCon, I can see them thinking it's a big deal.

Still, it's a bit on the nose to highlight a company that's circling the drain. Consumer purchases at significant discount are NOT going to save Palladium. Just delay the inevitable.

My favorite quote is ...

RRT product releases, demo kits, tournament ideas...

I plan to go now to my FLGS and ask to purchase three tournament ideas... How much should they cost I wonder?

Here's a "Tournament Idea" get the ****ing models done, so people can actually play the damn game!

Too much to ask?

 Stormonu wrote:
Dimensional Warfare? What happened to Nodal Wars?

Honestly, have you considered reaching out to Paulson games and coming up with a KS together (he makes the models, you make the game)?


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(You could even do homages, like CMON, to rub it in PB's face - the Terran Transforming Fighter Jet (with 3 modes), the Warrior Alien Chicken Walker and the Invader Cybot Shock Trooper....

We had a discussion and a poll and came up with that name as an improvement over Nodal Wars


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GabrielV wrote:
Palladium Books® Presents
Rifts® Dimension Book™ Thirteen©
Dimensional Warfare
by Kevin Siembieda©

$24.95

Wave two is juicily boiling.

Some people are just born to be donkey-caves

Anyone want to take my place moderating the proboards?

It occurred to me that I hadn't even looked at the message boards in a long time and that isn't good for a moderator.
Granted, nobody has posted there in three months, but it still isn't responsible of me and I just don't have the interest anymore.

I went from happy enthusiast to disgruntled, but still hopeful, backer to realizing that we'll never see this stuff.

 Mike1975 wrote:


Some people are just born to be donkey-caves

Chill dude. I didn't mean anything by it. It was just a joke.

Considering most other things in this thread, it did appear to be a rather harmless jab, actually.

So, yes, RULE #1 AND RULE #2.

Apparently I'm going to have to be a real stickler about them both in this thread for a bit then?

 n815e wrote:
Anyone want to take my place moderating the proboards?
It occurred to me that I hadn't even looked at the message boards in a long time and that isn't good for a moderator.
Granted, nobody has posted there in three months, but it still isn't responsible of me and I just don't have the interest anymore.
I went from happy enthusiast to disgruntled, but still hopeful, backer to realizing that we'll never see this stuff.

I visited off and on and find I am in the same boat: nothing to do.
Honestly, need to get doing stuff or the board is pretty much dead.
I swear Dakka next to Facebook is the most lively spot for Robotech