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I believe at more than one point Vermillion was referred to as a Squad instead of a Squadron

 Alpharius wrote:

But honestly, I can see HG getting the license renewed - "Robotech" is just about a dead property anyway. Especially now, with PB's bungling of this Kickstarter.

The license holder will weigh some money from HG vs. 'unsure' and/or 'no' money from...no one else wanting it?

Big West would like to license out Macross Frontier and Delta. Which they have problems doing while HG still have anything to argue they have the license.

Jefffar wrote:
I believe at more than one point Vermillion was referred to as a Squad instead of a Squadron

If we're talking about the show, I was watching the episodes Sweet Sixteen, Miss Macross, and Blind Game last night. In those episodes they refer to it as "Vermillion Group."

They also frequently change up ranks of characters.

Sometimes it's lieutenant, sometimes it's sergeant...

The show wasn't always consistent.

 n815e wrote:
They also frequently change up ranks of characters.

Sometimes it's lieutenant, sometimes it's sergeant...

The show wasn't always consistent.

I certainly agree.

However, from what I'm understanding from the discussion, the game uses "Squadron" and "Squad" as game terms for unit organization, and due to the similarity of the terms it's easy to confuse them. Using "Squadron" and "Group" would have been a better solution in keeping with at least some instances of terminology in the show.

 n815e wrote:
They also frequently change up ranks of characters.

Sometimes it's lieutenant, sometimes it's sergeant...

The show wasn't always consistent.

The RPG books from the 80's are just as bad at getting ranks wrong - the RDF manual has a section using US army ranks, including for airmen and the likes of Admiral Hayes and Gloval.

However, I do agree that using Squadron/Squad was a horrible idea, it's as bad as trying to remember the difference between Tornado Watch/Warning around these parts (which I still have trouble with, coming from Earthquake prone but Tornado poor California). Squadron/Element would have been my choice for the designation if it needed to be applied to land and air units.

Maybe PB can change the terminology for wave 2. There is still lots of time!

More likely they will change the name of wave two itself.

Well, it looks like Scott's decided that the fortnightly Updates get to be shifted if there's a delay.

This past Tuesday is four weeks since the second last one. If he wanted to get back on schedule, there would have been one this week. And given that the last two Updates re ForceOrgs don't include any business related details (quotes, where's the money, etc), there should be SOMETHING to post. Hell, even if there was info in the prior Update, it's still been a week. Has anything been done? (answer is almost certainly no)

Which means any time Scott needs personal time, he gets to reset the clock. That's convenient! Does that mean that the next Update is next Tuesday (Tuesday was Update day), or next Wednesday (two weeks since "Update Nine")?

Eh, no need to get bent out of shape. Besides the fact the next update will continue to reveal no new information, he posted in the last update (not the one with the copyright attributation) that his next post would be Oct 31.

At this point, I'm just sitting back with popcorn (or is it Khorne flakes?) and watching the mantra of folks asking where the money is. I'm hoping some legal entity will begin to take notice of the clamor.

 Stormonu wrote:
I'm hoping some legal entity will begin to take notice of the clamor.

If a legal entity didn't chime in at the time when this starting going ploin-shaped (IE when Ninja Division ejected from this fiasco), what makes you think they will chime in now?

 Seawolf wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
I'm hoping some legal entity will begin to take notice of the clamor.

If a legal entity didn't chime in at the time when this starting going ploin-shaped (IE when Ninja Division ejected from this fiasco), what makes you think they will chime in now?

Mostly wishful thinking. Partly, thinking someone in the crowd might do an "enough is enough" and take either file something legally, or point a legal entity at the comments and it piques their interest to at least investigate. Mayhaps the Michigan AG now might interested since the Flint issue seems to have queited down?

Still, it'd require someone to be willing to throw good money after bad, and I get the sense we all feel we have better things to waste our money on.

Just a thought, would Kevin use remaining RTT Kickstarter funds to fund his legal aid against a suit being brought against his mishandling of the funds related to the project?

Note anyone he replies seriously to this is getting in way too deep

Nah, Kevin would simply sell off his IP assets to Rogue Heroes and then after PB goes bankrupt, he'd announce he'd been taken on by his good friend Carmen/Casey as their business manager....he's not running the company - honestly!

Bankruptcy courts look for that sort of thing.

I'm guessing we're due for another Crisis of Treachery!

wilycoyote wrote:
Just a thought, would Kevin use remaining RTT Kickstarter funds to fund his legal aid against a suit being brought against his mishandling of the funds related to the project?

I doubt there's any money left, but, with the Up Front KS project, I'm guessing that's pretty much what happened.

 n815e wrote:
Bankruptcy courts look for that sort of thing.

It wasn't a serious response.

I don't know why I still get updates from Pallidium.. I requested so many times for it to stop.. and now I just mark it as spam
but every once in a while I will look at it..

One thing is they still promise things to be released that is almost impossible.. but promise it anyway..
Prime example is just in the last updated.. They listed Rifter 78 as shipping next week.. (First week of November)
Okay that sounds legitimate. But they are promising Rifter 79 to be released by the End of November.
So they only produce a few of these a year and now they ship two in one month??... I don't see that happening..

The other sad thing is they list "Coming Titles in the Works" and no where is it mention of anything Robotech Tactics..
I guess paying someone over a million dollars to work on something is not enough to keep his interest.
Clearly Kevin has moved on from the dumpster fire and hopes if he ignores it long enough it will just go away..
(I wonder if that's how he ended up divorced)

Let us be fair here, kevin has handed the poisioned chalice that is Robotech tactics over to Scott.. So it is Scott and Scott alone who will post any updates about it - and will also be blamed by the master designer Kevin for any and all that has gone wrong.

So in the PBWU , Kevin can devote paragraphs to Halloween, geese, Xmas packages and his 25 an hour day working schedule without any thought to those who effectively trusted him with $1.5 million. He can concentrate on bashing out a page or two of the best ever rpg material the world has seen and ignore those ungrateful wretches who dare question him.

wilycoyote wrote:
Let us be fair here, kevin has handed the poisioned chalice that is Robotech tactics over to Scott.. So it is Scott and Scott alone who will post any updates about it - and will also be blamed by the master designer Kevin for any and all that has gone wrong.

So in the PBWU , Kevin can devote paragraphs to Halloween, geese, Xmas packages and his 25 an hour day working schedule without any thought to those who effectively trusted him with $1.5 million. He can concentrate on bashing out a page or two of the best ever rpg material the world has seen and ignore those ungrateful wretches who dare question him.

Ya same old same old from Kev . Now Scott is another guy who not doing anything for Robotech at all oh well. I just saw Rob's 5 bad games , he was so right about Robotech tactics Rpg. Kev BIG Christmas Grab season Bag now. Later

So, are you guys done with this yet?

It's 342 pages of nothing.

It clogs up the top spot of the sci-fi forum for a game that's pretty much dead, or actively being killed off by poor management.

At some point, you have to let it go.

Heck, take this failure as an opportunity to create something better that isn't stuck in a quagmire. How about a new mecha game? I have artist contacts that are itching to create a new series of mecha.

 Vertrucio wrote:
So, are you guys done with this yet?

It's 342 pages of nothing.

It clogs up the top spot of the sci-fi forum for a game that's pretty much dead, or actively being killed off by poor management.

At some point, you have to let it go.

Heck, take this failure as an opportunity to create something better that isn't stuck in a quagmire. How about a new mecha game? I have artist contacts that are itching to create a new series of mecha.

You've just convinced me to start posting in it regularly.

 Vertrucio wrote:
So, are you guys done with this yet?

It's 342 pages of nothing.

It clogs up the top spot of the sci-fi forum for a game that's pretty much dead, or actively being killed off by poor management.

At some point, you have to let it go.

Heck, take this failure as an opportunity to create something better that isn't stuck in a quagmire. How about a new mecha game? I have artist contacts that are itching to create a new series of mecha.

If you don't like it, feel free to get lost.

 Vertrucio wrote:
So, are you guys done with this yet?

It's 342 pages of nothing.

It clogs up the top spot of the sci-fi forum for a game that's pretty much dead, or actively being killed off by poor management.

At some point, you have to let it go.

Heck, take this failure as an opportunity to create something better that isn't stuck in a quagmire. How about a new mecha game? I have artist contacts that are itching to create a new series of mecha.

Kevin Siembieda ?? Is that you??

 Vertrucio wrote:
So, are you guys done with this yet?

It's 342 pages of nothing.

It clogs up the top spot of the sci-fi forum for a game that's pretty much dead, or actively being killed off by poor management.

At some point, you have to let it go.

Heck, take this failure as an opportunity to create something better that isn't stuck in a quagmire. How about a new mecha game? I have artist contacts that are itching to create a new series of mecha.

Nope, not done.

This thread is the only enjoyment I get out of RRT these days.

 Vertrucio wrote:
So, are you guys done with this yet?

It's 342 pages of nothing.

It clogs up the top spot of the sci-fi forum for a game that's pretty much dead, or actively being killed off by poor management.

At some point, you have to let it go.

Heck, take this failure as an opportunity to create something better that isn't stuck in a quagmire. How about a new mecha game? I have artist contacts that are itching to create a new series of mecha.

There are a lot of people understandably upset about how this campaign was and is being handled.

Palladium insists that Wave 2 is boiling/coming soon/is almost here/etc.

At this point, it is probably a better idea to just not post in this thread if the alternative is some sort of gas/matchstick or open door/throw in grenade/shut door style effort.

In other words, telling people to 'get over it' isn't in fact going to help them get over it.

Having said that, let's all move on from that, yes?

What'd really get his goat is to learn there's a whole 'nother thread with over 200 pages in it. (Which makes me wonder, are we due for a switch to a new thread with an update from Forar, our resident wordsmith?)

On a completely different note, over this weekend I was modding my SNES classic and came across two games I never knew about - a Robotech game for the NES and what appears to have been an unreleased "valkrie flight simulator" for the N64. I hate that these two titles never got to reach the US due to HG's douchery, and it sours me towards this whole situation even more.

Out of idle curiosity, what is the state of everyone's collection? Mine's been assembled, the RDF primed and a squad or two partly painted. It's all been put on the shelf, and I don't have anyone who is even interested in playing a game, so I haven't tried out the rules (though reading over them, the sound okay - just too many H-T-H combat options that mostly won't get used).

LOL, suit yourselves guys. Keeping the thread around is fine if you feel you need it.

I was just hoping some here would move on and do something like create the thing they've been looking for instead of waiting for a company that is highly unlikely to fulfill your desires.

Fine, you don't need to get over it, but using the anger to move forward is more helpful.

There is a serious lack of a good mecha game on the market, and a group of angry like minded people like in this thread could be motivated to beat RRT at its own game.

 Stormonu wrote:
What'd really get his goat is to learn there's a whole 'nother thread with over 200 pages in it. (Which makes me wonder, are we due for a switch to a new thread with an update from Forar, our resident wordsmith?)

Was going to point out the same thing. Though that thread was 337 pages (meaning we're at 679 pages total), which also means it probably is about time to reboot.

 Stormonu wrote:
Out of idle curiosity, what is the state of everyone's collection? Mine's been assembled, the RDF primed and a squad or two partly painted. It's all been put on the shelf, and I don't have anyone who is even interested in playing a game, so I haven't tried out the rules (though reading over them, the sound okay - just too many H-T-H combat options that mostly won't get used).

Only have the rulebook and one sprue of Battlepods (from Forar, more than just a wordsmith!) after getting out early. Haven't touched the Battlepods (which I was going to use as cheap proxies for Naga for Heavy Gear), due to a downturn in wargaming in my local group. Focus has been more on boardgaming, and that's fun, but I'd still like to wargame on occasion.

There's nothing in the rules that makes me sorry I bugged out. They seem serviceable, outside of the H2H and Blast rules (and massive keyword focus), but they're mostly derivative, and there isn't anything I can't get from other games. I am still curious what the differences were between the original ND version was, and what alleged plagiarist Carmen significantly "rewrote". Because I'm skeptical it was the mess claimed, or the amount of work done to change it was significant. Happy to be proven wrong.