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 Alpharius wrote:
The language in the PMs from PB really does strongly imply that they do not feel that they have to give actual cash refunds to anyone.

More that they don't have cash on hand, because it's all tied up in worthless inventory.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
The language in the PMs from PB really does strongly imply that they do not feel that they have to give actual cash refunds to anyone.

More that they don't have cash on hand, because it's all tied up in worthless inventory.

You shut your mouth. That inventory is pure gold the value of which can't be calculated.

You'll find out firsthand when it ends up on EBay in 6 months.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
The language in the PMs from PB really does strongly imply that they do not feel that they have to give actual cash refunds to anyone.

More that they don't have cash on hand, because it's all tied up in worthless inventory.

PB will have to declare bankruptcy and liquidate...a lot/almost everything in order to pay everyone back, as they know they are really obligated to do.

They either aren't ready to acknowledge this, are still in denial, or hope that everyone takes the initial 'offer'.

I don't think there are enough Fan Friends left to bail out Kevin this time around - "Kevin's Kickstarter Crisis of Betrayal of the Backers" might be it for them.

There's a lot of tests that are going to happen. Kickstarter's actual terms and enforcement are about to be tested. I mean, should be tested as I think they'll sit back and do nothing. Tests regarding finding an attorney willing to start to challenge some laws that are nebulous and gray area in regards to backer rights in a Kickstarter. Tests of solidarity as we see how many of the 5,342 backers are going to hinge their hopes on like a hundred or so of us raising $10k-$25k for payment of the attorney. I'd pray that at least half the backers would come together on this but I really have trepidation it's going to collapse simply because too many people are unwilling to take action.
I wish I knew how many backers took ten minutes to email the Michigan Attorney General and FTC or if they went into hopeless mode and didn't bother.

Even if the lawsuit fails to gather steam, the AG sits up his butt, the FTC laughs it off, and the Better Business Bureau takes away another star and does nothing, Palladium games is pretty much over as a game company. This kickstarter and subsequent treatment of backers by Kevin Siembieda will cast a long shadow he'll never get out from under.

Small comfort, but I'll take what I can get.

Has anyone actually got a money refund from them... I have seen a number of people saying they sent notice... but what has happened since??

Reading the comments really makes this a sad venture... Palladium has know since before wave one shipped that they were out of money due to miss management.
Because the sale price was aligned with other games of its type.. then instead of coming clean they wait till the last few weeks with the licence gone to fess up.

I got rid of my stuff years ago and don't want to receive anything but a refund of money.

This makes me wonder what was really going during the time with the Rifts game and what happen with Carmen afterwards knowing in full that RRT had no money....

This is Kevin's legacy..

Speak confidently and loudly and tell a person how you wish reality works.
This is the first tactic of the narcissists.
They hope strongly you have no clue what your rights are and are not about to give a hint to it in a letter.

Sent JudgeDoug a care package.
I tend to keep good records.
Hope Kevin chokes on it.

BTW would you believe the BBB clears out complaints on your "account"?
No sign of them, like they never existed.
"Luckily" between screenshots and downloads I have a record from back in 2015.
I do not trust anyone to keep an unaltered record but me.

What is that phrase?: "Love everyone but trust no-one.".

You can actually pay the BBB as a business to clear complaints. They are a scam in themselves. And the complaints go away after three years anyway.

Isnt no one else a bit worried about PBs upcoming "April Fools" on 1st April when the KS page will be taken down for IP reasons, as far as i know they wont be able to have the page up without HGs permission and i cant see PB asking for that and using it as a way to quell the backers from getting organised together and trying to hide the graphics in case there is a lawsuit, it happened to the only other KS i know of that has lost its IP licence the Bruce Lee game "Dragon Tides" there may be other examples but im not aware of them!

Those asking about why they are being offered @$32 for @$155-165(ive seen both of those figures used) of goods is that i think they are using the estimated production costs for wave 2, ive been told by multiple board game creators that a game and Xpacs etc costs 1/5th of the retail price to produce and those numbers are about right, 155 ~ 5 = 31 & 165 ~ 5 = 33!

 Original Timmy wrote:
Isnt no one else a bit worried about PBs upcoming "April Fools" on 1st March when the KS page will be taken down for IP reasons, as far as i know they wont be able to have the page up without HGs permission and i cant see PB asking for that and using it as a way to quell the backers from getting organised together and trying to hide the graphics in case there is a lawsuit, it happened to the only other KS i know of that has lost its IP licence the Bruce Lee game "Dragon Tides" there may be other examples but im not aware of them!

Alien vs Predator was the first big KS to fake up an IP dispute to close their KS pages:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/alien-vs-predator-the-miniatures-game

 Original Timmy wrote:
Isnt no one else a bit worried about PBs upcoming "April Fools" on 1st March when the KS page will be taken down for IP reasons, as far as i know they wont be able to have the page up without HGs permission and i cant see PB asking for that and using it as a way to quell the backers from getting organised together and trying to hide the graphics in case there is a lawsuit, it happened to the only other KS i know of that has lost its IP licence the Bruce Lee game "Dragon Tides" there may be other examples but im not aware of them!

Those asking about why they are being offered @$32 for @$155-165(ive seen both of those figures used) of goods is that i think they are using the estimated production costs for wave 2, ive been told by multiple board game creators that a game and Xpacs etc costs 1/5th of the retail price to produce and those numbers are about right, 155 ~ 5 = 31 & 165 ~ 5 = 33!

Yeah, their exchange offer is basically 'cost value credit, retail value debit'. Plus shipping. And taxes. And Royal Mail's handling charge. Not a good deal for us in blighty. Or anywhere really.

Holy gak on a Shingle... there's ANOTHER update.

People are LOSING THEIR fething MINDS in the Comments.


There's been an INCREDIBLE REPSONSE to their exchange program!

Get your stuff while it lasts!!

So much is going so fast they had to UP the limits on Exclusives based on how much they cornholed you for the first time around.

GET IN THERE BOYS!

 TalonZahn wrote:
Holy gak on a Shingle... there's ANOTHER update.

People are LOSING THEIR fething MINDS in the Comments.


There's been an INCREDIBLE REPSONSE to their exchange program!

Get your stuff while it lasts!!

So much is going so fast they had to UP the limits on Exclusives based on how much they cornholed you for the first time around.

GET IN THERE BOYS!

I believe that's from the same vein of dishonesty that got us robotech boiling over and such a year ago. I do believe though that the convention exclusives will be frequently asked for items as opposed to the gak plastics in wave 1 we all already have enough of (mostly unbuilt is my guess).

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/2127556

liar & thief wrote:we have a good supply of the core RRT products, including Cat. No. 55100, the Robotech® RPG Tactics Box Set

No gak.

My God, they are not only tone deaf, they are living in an alternate reality.

"Overwhelming response?" Yeah, I'll bet its overwhelming, but definitely not in the good way they're trying to spin it. I think I've seen perhaps five people in the comments willing to take the offer?

Obviously Kevin thinks that being out of KS funds absolves him of all his debt. It's us plebs who generously gave him our money took the risks, not him and his company.

I'd been contemplating stepping away, just considering the money lost at this point. Now, with the way this jackass is tooting his "victory" horn, I want to see him and his business go down in fiery flames.

As an aside, I have lost all empathy for Scott - he has proven himself to be a willing shill in this shell game.

Kevin kept the project alive for three extra years and worked so hard because he loves you, the fans.

 Stormonu wrote:
My God, they are not only tone deaf, they are living in an alternate reality.

I don't think so. I think they're just trying to generate fear of missing out. With a population of over 5000 backers, even a small percentage opting into the redemption makes a noticeable difference in their liabilities as an absolute dollar amount. At this point it's everything they can muster to keep the ship from going down.

"Overwhelming response?" Yeah, I'll bet its overwhelming, but definitely not in the good way they're trying to spin it. I think I've seen perhaps five people in the comments willing to take the offer?

That's the funny thing. PB are so small that even a small percentage of backers taking the offer are going to very quickly overwhelm them. A couple hundred custom orders with individual invoicing is a substantial amount of work. They have no hope in hell of handling a few thousand, but that's not the intention here.

I'd been contemplating stepping away, just considering the money lost at this point. Now, with the way this jackass is tooting his "victory" horn, I want to see him and his business go down in fiery flames.

Worst comes to worst, they smolder out as a forgotten company with too few loyal fans to support them financially. It probably won't be the big bang that'll bring the backers a sense of closure they crave, but it will be the sort of stressful, draining grind that's far more punishing than people imagine it to be (you just don't see it).

They just sent out their weekly email. Here is the bit that matters to this.

"This has been a long, rather solemn week. Tuesday night, Palladium announced on the Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Kickstarter page that despite Palladium’s best efforts, we would be unable to produce and ship the RRT Wave 2 rewards. But we are offering our backers a Reward Exchange of Wave One items for remaining Wave Two rewards. Moreover, after proudly carrying the legacy of Robotech® in the role-playing games medium for 30 years, our license has expired and is not being renewed.

Backers of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ (RRT) should see Kickstarter Update #217 for more information and #218 to learn how to obtain Wave One rewards for their remaining Wave Two pledges. We have already gotten a tremendous response from the RRT Kickstarter backers and begun shipping RRT Wave One rewards to those individuals participating in the Exchange. Our sincere thanks and appreciation for the understanding, cooperation and kindness of many of our backers.

All of this is truly heartbreaking for all of us at Palladium. We love Robotech®, the Robotech® RPG Tactics™ (RRT) game, and the fans.

Liquidating Robotech® product
Palladium Books has only a small window of time to liquidate its remaining stock of Robotech® RPG books and Robotech® RPG Tactics™ (RRT) products. While we anticipate offering some sales later in March, we cannot promise that all items will be available when the sales are offered. All Robotech® items are available only while supplies last. Case in point, Robotech® Genesis Pits (Cat. No. 555) sold out this morning. And Robotech® New Generation Sourcebook is not far behind it. If there is a title you really want, we recommend you do not wait for a sale to acquire it.

PDFs of the original Robotech® RPG & Sourcebooks – available til March 31 – DriveThruRPG.com – on sale now
PDF books of the original Robotech® Role-Playing Game and sourcebooks from the 1980s and 1990s are already on sale on DriveThruRPG.com – till March 31, 2018. After that, they will no longer be available. Likewise, we believe Palladium Books will be required to remove even the FREE Robotech® RPG Tactics™ material from DriveThruRPG as we will no longer hold the license. Please get all the items you desire for your personal library before March 31, 2018.

I would like to state that the people at Harmony Gold USA, Inc., have been wonderful partners to work with these many years. They went above and beyond the call of duty when it came to their assistance with trying to keep RRT alive. Our thanks to everyone involved"

The very last statement is interesting. I'm guessing PB didn't renew the license not because HG outright refused (Kevin would have thrown them under the bus if that'd happened), but I'm *guessing* they've finally hit critically low on funds they couldn't scrape up enough to continue paying for it.

If so, that gives me some solace.

If that's the case then that's very interesting.

I was reading through the comments across multiple threads, and saw several others echoing my thoughts about expenses.

So I thought I might put together a list of things that PB may have spent money on, that might be considered misappropriation.

- Advertising beyond May 21st, 2013 (Any advertising after that point was not for the Kickstarter, as they didn't offer a publicly available "Late Pledge", therefore it was for retail content, which is not a Kickstarter reward).
- Any funds spent on dealing with distributors and retailers, if any. (I know some developers wine and dine, etc. Yup, not a Kickstarter expense).
- Convention expenses, including booth space and hotel rooms, that didn't fall between at least a few months before the original campaign period and arguably, the end of the Pledge Manager period. (Given that rewards were not able to be picked up at GenCon 2014, regardless of them being unable to get it there, this was again for retail content). And even funds spent during that time would need to be prorated against other things Palladium were promoting during that time.
- Development and any print runs of the original Kickstarter Exclusives (not initially available to Kickstarter Backers). Don't know if this applies to the final 4 made, but I'm pretty sure it would.
- A portion of the licensing fees (not royalties, that is fully justified), for Kickstarter rewards only. Meaning the value of Kickstarter rewards as a portion of the total against retail sales, and whatever paltry sum they make on RPG books, do not count.
- The explicit manufacture of any product not required for Kickstarter fulfillment (which we know is at least 10K Core boxes, and lord knows how many Expansion Boxes)
- The importation of those products not required for Kickstarter fulfillment.

All development costs, up to and including mold manufacture, are legitmate expenses. That's the point of Kickstarter, that backers pay for that part, so that retail is more profitable for the Creator as a cost.

On a different tangent, now we know why the resin bases look so amatuerish. It'd be arguable if that was a legitimate expense, as while it (and the SDF-1, and the 3D prints of the AValk and YF-4) was being worked on for Kickstarter fulfillment, it WAS done after PB claims they were running insolvent, and therefore it could be argued it was never going to be delivered.

Can anyone else think of anything I missed? Cause if we do get a full accounting, it'll be helpful to have a list of things that PB might claim that are easily disqualifiable.

If there was a pot of money at the end, PB were entitled to that. But until all Kickstarter rewards have been fulfilled, all funds from the Kickstarter need to be spent on the Kickstarter, and not other business expenses.

Morgan Vening wrote:
I was reading through the comments across multiple threads, and saw several others echoing my thoughts about expenses.

So I thought I might put together a list of things that PB may have spent money on, that might be considered misappropriation.

- Advertising beyond May 21st, 2013 (Any advertising after that point was not for the Kickstarter, as they didn't offer a publicly available "Late Pledge", therefore it was for retail content, which is not a Kickstarter reward).
- Any funds spent on dealing with distributors and retailers, if any. (I know some developers wine and dine, etc. Yup, not a Kickstarter expense).
- Convention expenses, including booth space and hotel rooms, that didn't fall between at least a few months before the original campaign period and arguably, the end of the Pledge Manager period. (Given that rewards were not able to be picked up at GenCon 2014, regardless of them being unable to get it there, this was again for retail content). And even funds spent during that time would need to be prorated against other things Palladium were promoting during that time.
- Development and any print runs of the original Kickstarter Exclusives (not initially available to Kickstarter Backers). Don't know if this applies to the final 4 made, but I'm pretty sure it would.
- A portion of the licensing fees (not royalties, that is fully justified), for Kickstarter rewards only. Meaning the value of Kickstarter rewards as a portion of the total against retail sales, and whatever paltry sum they make on RPG books, do not count.
- The explicit manufacture of any product not required for Kickstarter fulfillment (which we know is at least 10K Core boxes, and lord knows how many Expansion Boxes)
- The importation of those products not required for Kickstarter fulfillment.

All development costs, up to and including mold manufacture, are legitmate expenses. That's the point of Kickstarter, that backers pay for that part, so that retail is more profitable for the Creator as a cost.

On a different tangent, now we know why the resin bases look so amatuerish. It'd be arguable if that was a legitimate expense, as while it (and the SDF-1, and the 3D prints of the AValk and YF-4) was being worked on for Kickstarter fulfillment, it WAS done after PB claims they were running insolvent, and therefore it could be argued it was never going to be delivered.

Can anyone else think of anything I missed? Cause if we do get a full accounting, it'll be helpful to have a list of things that PB might claim that are easily disqualifiable.

If there was a pot of money at the end, PB were entitled to that. But until all Kickstarter rewards have been fulfilled, all funds from the Kickstarter need to be spent on the Kickstarter, and not other business expenses.

I've been thinking of something. You guys need to screen shot the official announcement where Palladium admits they ran out of money after Wave 1. I think it could be used as evidence that PB's been lying through omission since then with every update that didn't mention the status of the funds.

Morgan Vening wrote:

All development costs, up to and including mold manufacture, are legitmate expenses. That's the point of Kickstarter, that backers pay for that part, so that retail is more profitable for the Creator as a cost.

PB cites a total of $364,193.74 under Design, for Artwork, 3D sculpts, 3D prints, ND participation, so not including mold cutting ($75k by update). Kevin then undercuts that by saying they bought the ND 3D designs for $35,000, and paid the manufacturer $21,000 for 3D file corrections and prototypes by the manufacturer.

So there's a huge discrepancy of $288,193.74 unaccounted for under design. That's a LOT of money, which I don't think can be accounted for by artwork. And if ND is charging that much for participation... I suspect some other hanky panky.

The manufacturing costs of $601K includes mold cutting ($75k by Kevin's own admission), but that cost is also crowded in by his retail purchase. Still, overall we're still looking at nearly $0.5mil with shady accounting. The amount is large enough that I'm suspecting fingers on the till.

Incidentally, we know they brought in 9 container load of Wave 1 inventory, for $76k in import costs. A rough estimate is that 5~6 container load would have been sufficient for wave 1 KS fulfilment, and that would roughly be $40k in import costs, leaving $36k as "bad accounting". In the overall scheme of things, that is not very significant as costs go.


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The other entertaining thought would be...

After March, who would own the steel molds used in production? It's unlikely PB brought them back to the US, so it's likely sitting with the Chinese factory folks. Is HG going to send someone over to ensure the mold is either destroyed or retrieved?

My guess is that the factory would recycle the mold, but there's every possibility that they would spin a quick cycle and push those out as some bootleg products.

 Lynx7725 wrote:

Morgan Vening wrote:

All development costs, up to and including mold manufacture, are legitmate expenses. That's the point of Kickstarter, that backers pay for that part, so that retail is more profitable for the Creator as a cost.

PB cites a total of $364,193.74 under Design, for Artwork, 3D sculpts, 3D prints, ND participation, so not including mold cutting ($75k by update). Kevin then undercuts that by saying they bought the ND 3D designs for $35,000, and paid the manufacturer $21,000 for 3D file corrections and prototypes by the manufacturer.

So there's a huge discrepancy of $288,193.74 unaccounted for under design. That's a LOT of money, which I don't think can be accounted for by artwork. And if ND is charging that much for participation... I suspect some other hanky panky.

The manufacturing costs of $601K includes mold cutting ($75k by Kevin's own admission), but that cost is also crowded in by his retail purchase. Still, overall we're still looking at nearly $0.5mil with shady accounting. The amount is large enough that I'm suspecting fingers on the till.

Incidentally, we know they brought in 9 container load of Wave 1 inventory, for $76k in import costs. A rough estimate is that 5~6 container load would have been sufficient for wave 1 KS fulfilment, and that would roughly be $40k in import costs, leaving $36k as "bad accounting". In the overall scheme of things, that is not very significant as costs go.

Oh, it's absolutely clear that the current accounting appears to be the greatest work of fiction PB have produced in their long storied history.

But given that it's not just obviously erroneous, it is also massively lacking in detail, it's hard to draw a real analysis of the budgetary process. My point more that if a full accounting is received (and Kevin claims to have it), the costs associated with the expenses I mentioned should be immediately challenged.

Oh, one thing I did miss. Any expenses that are being held behind a NDA? You can tack those on to the "Not a Kickstarter expense". If PB can't accurately account for it in a manner that can't be verified, for whatever reason, it shouldn't count at all.

EDIT : It's possible the manufacturer might spin them up, but the cost of starting a production run, versus making a profit on the secondary market, makes it probably not worth that much to do so. And if the company was that sketchy (and working for PB, I wouldn't rule it out), then they would have done it already. Print off 20,000 copies, ship PB their ~17,000, and stockpile the rest. That's what the companies that GW ran afoul of, appeared to do.

Morgan Vening wrote:

Oh, it's absolutely clear that the current accounting appears to be the greatest work of fiction PB have produced in their long storied history.

But given that it's not just obviously erroneous, it is also massively lacking in detail, it's hard to draw a real analysis of the budgetary process. My point more that if a full accounting is received (and Kevin claims to have it), the costs associated with the expenses I mentioned should be immediately challenged.

Agreed. I can accept that there are NDAs that PB cannot fully reveal, but there's probably a way to explain it. I do believe PB has enough receipts to talk about things, it's just that they choose not to talk about it. To be honest, PB's history with financial accounting is not good, but they are not so much a perpetrator of financial issues, but more of victims of financial stupid. Too stupid to understand how to do it properly, and too stupid to hire people who do.

Morgan Vening wrote:

EDIT : It's possible the manufacturer might spin them up, but the cost of starting a production run, versus making a profit on the secondary market, makes it probably not worth that much to do so. And if the company was that sketchy (and working for PB, I wouldn't rule it out), then they would have done it already. Print off 20,000 copies, ship PB their ~17,000, and stockpile the rest. That's what the companies that GW ran afoul of, appeared to do.

I seriously suspect the manufacturer they went with isn't totally on the up and up. Even given the unreliable narrator that PB is, that they had issues with file formats that needed that much money to fix, that they had so much costs involved even with 9 container loads of inventory... I strongly suspect that PB, being inexperienced and not willing to do due diligence, got themselves seriously led around by the nose.

Just to be clear, I'm not excusing PB on their accountability and responsibility for the mess. As the owner, they own the problems too. PB's habit of trying to throw other parties under the bus is well known, but at the end of the day they must take the responsibility of their practices.

I will say I find the prices of the pdfs for their wave 2 swap are set so high kinda weird. Anyone can look at drivethrurpg and see they are on sale for a third of the cost they are setting for them in the announcement.

 Lynx7725 wrote:

Morgan Vening wrote:

Oh, it's absolutely clear that the current accounting appears to be the greatest work of fiction PB have produced in their long storied history.

But given that it's not just obviously erroneous, it is also massively lacking in detail, it's hard to draw a real analysis of the budgetary process. My point more that if a full accounting is received (and Kevin claims to have it), the costs associated with the expenses I mentioned should be immediately challenged.

Agreed. I can accept that there are NDAs that PB cannot fully reveal, but there's probably a way to explain it. I do believe PB has enough receipts to talk about things, it's just that they choose not to talk about it. To be honest, PB's history with financial accounting is not good, but they are not so much a perpetrator of financial issues, but more of victims of financial stupid. Too stupid to understand how to do it properly, and too stupid to hire people who do.

I'd want an explicit reason for the NDA, not some throwaway line, along with the dollar value, and EXACTLY what the money was for. Redact the names and company identifying marks from the invoices and receipts, if that's what gets them around the NDA. But everything else needs to be included, or it means taking Kevin at his word. And I don't think anyone but the white knights would take that.

Alternately, an independent and trusted authority (a sworn member from the Michigan Attorney's Office?) who is familiar enough with the case to know what they're looking at, reading those reciepts and stating the reported value is accurate.

Remember, Kevin said this.
"If there were ever any type of investigation, Palladium has accurate records, receipts, correspondences and documentation for every expense and transaction we’ve made regarding Robotech® RPG Tactics™."

No mention of NDA's preventing them from disclosing that information. And as the project has failed, there NEEDS to be an investigation into exactly what went wrong, why it went wrong, and when it went wrong. Because it's possible that some people might have been able to legally obtain chargebacks if PB hadn't lead the backers on for ~3 years beyond when they claimed they were out of money.

I'm glad Discover's policy is a lot more open, but I know my bank refused back in mid March of 2014, as all of my funding was taken during the campaign, and none during the PledgeManager. And 180 days had passed by that point, and would have regardless, as 180 days from September 8th was March 7th, two weeks before I requested that refund. But others might have fallen within the timeframe of their bank if PB had been up front, but aren't now, because it's almost FIVE years since payments were processed.

 ProfessorSinu wrote:
I will say I find the prices of the pdfs for their wave 2 swap are set so high kinda weird. Anyone can look at drivethrurpg and see they are on sale for a third of the cost they are setting for them in the announcement.

But of course.

It's not actually money for Wave 2 fulfillment, it's matching 'value'. DTRPG sales are 'real money', someone's actually handing over that five bucks or whatever, so it's worth caring about and trying entice people to get while they still can (gotta push that Fear Of Missing Out), but for backers they want to inflate it as much as possible to eat into what they have to try to pay them off with. Doubly so with pdfs, they don't even have to worry about shipping those, or running out of Consclusives or whatever.

That bit of snark aside, it's darkly hilarious. Someone gets in right now? They can buy up the books for pennies on the dollar. Give them money 4-5 years ago? Guess you're paying full price for something you didn't want in the first place!

https://twitter.com/TalonZahn/status/969785220772835328


Tweeting PA, I know Forar is over there also, not sure if anyone else from here is.

I hope that anyone planning to go after Palladium for funds is saving all of the updates, various comments and private messages on KS because if they opt to pull a Prodos and have the page taken down due to "IP disputes" everything that's been posted to date will be taken down and it'll go completely dark. They're a bunch of thieves who are going to try covering their tracks in any fashion they can so it's best that people start saving all of the info they need now.

The updates shouldn't be too hard to come by. Unless someone has opted out of getting updates in general, or the email editions, emailed copies go out. I know Morgan has been saving them, and I'm sure he's not the only one, intentionally or otherwise.

The comments they've made could go away (but there's not that many, one copy/paste into a text file would capture them, a "save to pdf" for the page itself, and you'd have most of the pertinent info there. Main thing you'd be missing would be backer comments (update and non alike), but I doubt those would be considered evidence of much other than us being really chatty over the years.

Same thing with Palladium newsletters, they go out to enough people I doubt it's really possible to eliminate them, and any attempt to do so would immediately spur people onto collecting them together.