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I figure anyone this deep in the thread should be pretty aware of the ongoing situation, or at least have caught up by this time.
I actually think that PB are responding to people, the people that they owe larger amounts to first.
If they can get them on board, that will cut out/off the people more likely (due to what they have shown in pledge/PM) to spend larger amounts of money in the recovery of their pledges.
People they owe... $50 to are less threatening than people they owe $500 to.
For instance (yes anecdotally) myself... They owe me a rather large sum, i have been near criminal in the emails, responses, messages, Facebook posts, and PM's. Jeff Ruiz went as far as contacting my employer about some of it.
They responded to my KS exchange message within an hour.
This is the way PB operates. CYA first and foremost, worry about the details later.
TalonZahn, they owe me over $500 and I messaged them right after they put tbe update up. They have yet to respond to my message or answer my questions in calls.
Swabby wrote: TalonZahn, they owe me over $500 and I messaged them right after they put tbe update up. They have yet to respond to my message or answer my questions in calls.
Kickstarter aren't obliged to do anything - they set up a contract between backers and project creators but take no part in enforcing it. Your questions are answered really quite clearly in ther Terms of Use, so there's very little point going down that rabbit hole.
It's down to backers to organise and set up either a suit to put a court order on to pay the debt (pointless) or force a filing for Chapter 7 or 11 to liquidate assets of the company (and potentially its owners) and have the US Trustee oversee the paying of debts.
This has been done by AG's in the past, and can be done with regular attorneys too. Both take huge cuts in fines, fees, expenses etc. and this is why a concerted, group effort by backers to get organised is essential.
Was just reading over their latest update. I hope these crooks get a hefty helping of justice in short order. Bankruptcy at the least, blackballed from the industry hopefully and jailtime at worst.
I was making sure PB freed up my initial request for exchange till they changed a bunch of things.
Oddly enough, they responded back as requested, saying they will free up the "Battle Cry Wave 1 Extras Bag" they were holding.
I felt oddly touched they bothered, now I know what they mean by feelings of Stockholm syndrome.
A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
Well I was on the Robotech site and I look at their store to see what selling. Robotech Rpg books are almost sold out. WOW! The Gen Pit , New Gen, Marine Ex, and bundle set as well. The PB store only have the Southern Cross book. Well it look like they are getting rid of their books now. I wonder how many of the Core RRT set are going to left? Oh well later.
They haven't sold as much as you may think. In the last update they stated they pulled some of their store stock in case the Backers ask for that product "in kind".
I'm sure they didn't bother to pull Southern Cross because no one buys that part of the series. It's always been the least interesting of the three generations.
Overall, doesn't matter much. Whatever isn't sold by apparently April 20th has to be destroyed (from what I've gathered). Traded out, burned or made into dunce hats for the PB crew, they wont be able to legally sell it soon.
There's most definitely action happening on the legal front. Perhaps that needs moving to a new thread though with an updated state of play at the front.... there's a lot of dead discussion in this one now.
Yeah, but didn't Toys R Us have hundreds of millions dollars of dept for years.. So even if we win something they can drag their feet until Kevin wants to retire; Then file bankruptcy.
I just know it soured me on Robotech and everything Palladium. Even seeing something like this I have no interest, my wallet is permanently closed until after the licence expire.
Just to clear up an unrelated misconception, Toys R Us was saddled with billions in debt by Bain Capital.
Online marketplaces certainly haven't helped matters, but they didn't die of natural causes, they were murdered.
That said, starting the thread over in this new era seems sensible. Focus on this brand new clusterfeth, progress by backers to recover something/anything from the debacle, what can be openly discussed about legal action, etc.
At least, that's my take on it. While it's funny to me to have yet another gigantic thread for this gakshow, it probably doesn't help people get into the matter or caught up to have something the length of a couple of novels to dig into in order to do it.
I would suggest Robotech RPG Tactics in general thread.
Still some really good painting and models out there.
I would like to still have a place outside of Facebook.
Plus despite some negativity, this has been a favorite forum just for good people to communicate with (most of the time )
A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
There's a series of Videos by Daniel Ibbertson, a British youtuber, about kickstarter scams. He does mostly video games, but has covered Both board games and rpg's.
I've done some research on Amazon and Ebay.
The main problem is that RRT items seem overpriced (for example RRT core box over 120$ without shipping taxes)
I think i will wait and see.
I don't really want to give PB money that they don't deserve, maybe the secondary market will become more affordable in a few weeks.
Perharps it is time to go for Heavy Gear Blitz. Some advices ?
Bizarre; it was at 50% off or thereabouts for ages (years I guess). Now that they are going to try to dump it I would expect the prices to drop, not rise.
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