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When Spartan closed up there was a dip as stores sold off stuff in a panic, then a hike, especially on the popular stuff.

Will it happen this time? Maybe, but it may take years.

That’s the way it usually goes, a price dip as the market is flooded with folks dumping a product at End of Life, then a gradual climb in price as copies get more scarce,

I also vote for a new thread, this one has gotten somewhat unwieldy. New thread needs an introduction by Forar, though

Between backers dumping product for years, and now another tidal wave of it going out (with some people admitting it's just for resale), I think it'll be years before this even has the potential to become particularly lucrative, if ever.

Especially because the death of the game in an ongoing capacity (rather than merely being clinically dead but on the thinnest thread of life support as it has been) will more directly put it in contrast/competition with the hundreds (thousands?) of other model kits and built toys. If someone wants to play RRT with those exact minis, there's some value perhaps, but if they just want a VT or Destroid kit, there are a variety of options in a variety of sizes/scales, many of which will have plenty of advantages of their own and lack the weaknesses of these fiddly little bastards.

I can't imagine sitting on a closet full of RRT cores in the hopes that they go up substantially on Ebay, but at the same time, getting *something* rather than nothing, and then selling it for a song is still more than nothing. Putting cores up for $20 plus shipping is a fraction of the 'value' we're allocated, but getting $100 back is still $100 more than that backer had.

Yes, yes, this presumes there are even buyers at that low price, whatever, I'm talking long term, down the road. Mike's page is still kicking and has people talking about buying during the fire sale, obviously there is SOME kind of demand out there, even if it's a trickle compared to what PB wanted it to be.

As a contrast, I would imagine most Palladium Books, err, Books, have fewer copies out there than there will be in core boxes floating around, and many of those can be bought for a song on the secondary market. I practically had to give a couple dozen away when I sold off a bunch of those I still had laying around (still have like 1-2 dozen or so, mostly those with sentimental value, either as presents or tied to characters I enjoyed for years, even if they haven't been dusted off and played in over a decade).

Robotech is likely far more popular/culturally relevant than Rifts, but the supply/demand is going to get tough when contrasted against 'all Robotech merchandise available everywhere'.

 Stormonu wrote:
I also vote for a new thread, this one has gotten somewhat unwieldy. New thread needs an introduction by Forar, though

Oh god here we go again...

 Forar wrote:
Oh god here we go again...

Your avatar at the very least gets the vote alone: it seems to be a summary of how backers feel.
Your eloquent and scarily reasonable summaries (and the absence of profanity! ) of the history of RRT closes the deal.

Interesting.....

https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/40006/ninja-division-pulling-back-kickstarter

Almost sounds like "We narrowly avoided having our name dragged through the mud with RRT - we're steering clear of the KS platform so we don't get dragged down with PB"

I'd say it has more to do with their own SDE debacle.

I don't recall what happened with SDE, but there are a number of RRT backers that hold ND equally responsible for this Kickstarter's failure (I am not one). I'm also not familiar with any of ND's recent kickstarters. Has their been any toxicity drifting over to them from Tactics, like there was for Academy or gRifts?

Just to note it's been 2 weeks and I've not heard from PB.

Autarch wrote:
I don't recall what happened with SDE, but there are a number of RRT backers that hold ND equally responsible for this Kickstarter's failure (I am not one). I'm also not familiar with any of ND's recent kickstarters. Has their been any toxicity drifting over to them from Tactics, like there was for Academy or gRifts?

As Albertorius points out, ND's major ill-will is their most recent SDE campaign where I do not believe they have delivered anything to backers and just posted an update tantamount to "nothing has been produced yet, we have to go with another factory" for a project that's already a year late. Their Forgotten King campaign for SDE ran as close to clockwork as most KS campaigns get so I'm not sure what screw-ups befell them here, but clearly they were many and significant. I was a bit overextended on funds at the time of the campaign so I didn't back it as I had the previous one, but I don't recall it being an issue on Forgotten King when the whole Robotech association was much stronger.

There might be some renewed anger with the official closure of RTT, but it probably pales to the anger they've engendered on their own.

Also, I add my (non-counting) vote to Forar doing the opening introduction for any new thread. Adds almost a bit of Shakespearean flair to the proceedings as though we're all in fair Verona...

I think JHDD has most of the relevant info regarding ND and SDE, IIRC he backed the latest one.

3 days to go, I thought the prices would have dropped further.

 Albertorius wrote:
I think JHDD has most of the relevant info regarding ND and SDE, IIRC he backed the latest one.

When they mention toxicity they may actually be on about JHDD

 Krinsath wrote:


Also, I add my (non-counting) vote to Forar doing the opening introduction for any new thread. Adds almost a bit of Shakespearean flair to the proceedings as though we're all in fair Verona...

Been to Verona (for Epic Training and such), not a bad place to be if it isn’t Winter.

And remember folks, if you DON’Tvote, we’ll count that as you agreeing Forar should write the introduction.

 Stormonu wrote:


And remember folks, if you DON’Tvote, we’ll count that as you agreeing Forar should write the introduction.

In that case, I vote AGAINST! Because I'm in the tiny but loud and obnoxious minority of HAYTERZ!

Just a reminder to download what you can from Drive-thru RPG for the various instructions and cards for RRT.
I am assuming they will all be deleted by the end of the month.
I still had a few things left to load.
I do admit it is a fair bit of material.
At the very least load the "enhanced" build instructions that at numbers the sprues.

With the game being officially dead, I can customize / tweak / house-rule as I see fit.
I am tempted to play with the rules and try to stay a bit within them (at least with the card stats).
I have been a fan of "Net Epic Armageddon" and like to see that amount of fan support of an unsupported game.
Maybe without Palladium Book's involvement, people may be willing to look at it again.

I have a few new stylish Battletech models to field as well so it is a positive move forward.

I don't think you will see a concentrated effort to look at doing anything with RRT as it is. There are already better mech based games out there that Robotech/Macross can be played under (Looking at you Mekton)

This game was always niche, with its official death it is now super niche. I do not think we will see any major movement or community growth either, the fanboys who have largely been claiming to support the game have spent years isolating skeptical voices and are no hurry to make amends.

To top it off the only way to complete the model collection for the game is to wade into murky legal waters of IP piracy with 3d printing if you cannot make you own sculpts.

Divided community for a dead game that never actually found traction kind of limits this to small groups doing their own thing in my opinion.

 n815e wrote:
3 days to go, I thought the prices would have dropped further.

Hey, you can't just quote this on the KS Comments and then not repost here.... it's total GOLD!

https://www.reddit.com/r/robotech/comments/87eco4/palladium_robotech_sale/dwcdyas/

 Albertorius wrote:
I think JHDD has most of the relevant info regarding ND and SDE, IIRC he backed the latest one.

It's all compiled in a thread on BGG.
_____

SeanDrake wrote:
When they mention toxicity they may actually be on about JHDD

Surprisingly, no. I put in for my refund about 3 months ago, and got it right before they launched StarFinder, and then they force-refunded me a while back, so I can't comment. They also force-refunded all of the $1 commentators on StarFinder right before they opened the Pledge Manager...

 TalonZahn wrote:

 n815e wrote:
3 days to go, I thought the prices would have dropped further.

Hey, you can't just quote this on the KS Comments and then not repost here.... it's total GOLD!

https://www.reddit.com/r/robotech/comments/87eco4/palladium_robotech_sale/dwcdyas/

 n815e wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

 n815e wrote:
3 days to go, I thought the prices would have dropped further.

Hey, you can't just quote this on the KS Comments and then not repost here.... it's total GOLD!

https://www.reddit.com/r/robotech/comments/87eco4/palladium_robotech_sale/dwcdyas/

While I have no doubt that the number of outstanding product is excessive, there's a tendency to hyperbole or just overestimate, because people aren't really good at counting large numbers.

We know they stacked the pallets 3x4x12 (144 per pallet), and we can assume that's close to how they were packed in the containers. And we know there is about 10K in excess of what was needed for backers.

10,000/144 = ~70 pallets. And while I don't doubt there weren't massive sales, you have to expect several pallets got sold through various distributors and through their own retail stuffs. Not enough to make a significant dent, but enough to change numbers downwards.

Maybe the original poster was including the expansion packs? But the original claim seems excessive.

Though again, I do not doubt that there are dozens of pallets of this crap still sitting there.

Latest update is out. Apparently they're having trouble getting through all of the emails they've been receiving with 5000+ messages in their mailbox. Yet there were only 5500ish backers.

Also LoL-worthy. On the PB forums, we've got someone who must be a true believer as they've posted how Robotech was underfunded and should have been a $2.5 million project given its scope. Same person also commented on how tabletop war games have been less relevant than robotech over the last 20 years. I wonder if it is Kevin or one of his lackeys posting under a fake name.

I'm kind of amazed that these guys can't even fire sale right. Zero excitement generated, static price. All those boxes are going down with the ship.

 Swabby wrote:
I'm kind of amazed that these guys can't even fire sale right. Zero excitement generated, static price. All those boxes are going down with the ship.

Doesn't help that they appear to have locked off their FB page too. Last week's PBWU wasn't advertised at all. Their last leading post was March 16th. Maybe they were concerned about comments? But I'm pretty sure you can lock a post if you're the administrator?

So the only people who saw it were the people that subscribed to it. Definitely not the best way to advertise. And given they've got, what, just over 48 hours until they are legally unable to sell RRT product, yeah, it was mishandled if they really wanted to get the information out there. It's especially funny given the "hidden PBWU" explicitly states "Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Sale – 60% to 65% off – Spread the word". Something they chose not to do.

Glad to see they're not letting the lapse of the license get in the way of their gross incompetence.

Gotta figure that Scott's tenure has to be coming to a close, what with the failure of RRT and the apparent abandonment of "social media", as well as books continuing to slide in their release dates. With the two Animal Compendiums due Dec and Jan respectively, having no release date (well... it does say Winter, but given we're already 1-4 weeks into Spring, depending on when you count), he's doing a bang up job at the three things he was actually hired for. Scott, that beeping you hear? That's Kevin backing up the bus so he can throw you under it.

Figure Scott will get the blame for not being able to negotiate the "loan" needed, nor the license renewal, that caused the current situation. Hope you got paid in advance, Scott.

In regards to the free downloadable content on dtrpg....its all on the wiki

http://robotech-rpg-tactics.wikia.com/wiki/Zip_Archives

cannonfodr wrote:
Latest update is out. Apparently they're having trouble getting through all of the emails they've been receiving with 5000+ messages in their mailbox. Yet there were only 5500ish backers.

Also LoL-worthy. On the PB forums, we've got someone who must be a true believer as they've posted how Robotech was underfunded and should have been a $2.5 million project given its scope. Same person also commented on how tabletop war games have been less relevant than robotech over the last 20 years. I wonder if it is Kevin or one of his lackeys posting under a fake name.

5,000 e-mails, 4,900 of them which are requests for refunds.

I almost wish I was going to Gencon so I'd have an excuse to file a small claims case and swing by while I was up there. Should be a slam dunk to win a refund that way. The trick would be getting the court appearance to coincide. Bonus points if it was just before Gencon to rob PB of funds to attend Gencon.

If they had bothered to respond to them, then 500 people wouldn't feel compelled to send 10 emails asking for a response.

It would be interesting to know just how many backers, took them up on refund offer and post 31st March just how many core boxes were left on the shelves.

Can you see Kevin actually destroying merchandise that might have even some small value?

wilycoyote wrote:
It would be interesting to know just how many backers, took them up on refund offer and post 31st March just how many core boxes were left on the shelves.

Can you see Kevin actually destroying merchandise that might have even some small value?

People already called it a long time ago - PB will "sell" the remaining stock to Kev or one of his cronies who'll then ebay it over time. It's just going to be another underhanded ploy on top of all the others they've pulled.

I wonder how closely HG will be scrutinizing PB's handling of the stock destruction (or when it will *actually* occur). HG and Tatsunoko did just go a round over royalties, I could see HG forcing PB to show its books regarding RRT/Robotech stock/profits and be watching for a "I sold all these boxes for $1 each to a fan-friend".


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Remember, even with this fire sale, PB likely has to pay royalties on whatever they make. If PB pulls a stunt of selling it to a fan friend who then sells it for Kevin on E-bay, were HG to learn about it they would probably attempt to collect on those E-bay sales as being subject to royalty collections.