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 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
From the looks of things we joined falls around the same time.

Which is why your comments baffle me. It's like you haven't read anything on here.

 Purifier wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
From the looks of things we joined falls around the same time.

Which is why your comments baffle me. It's like you haven't read anything on here.

I hear a lot of good things about this edition. It's just negative people speak louder than positive ones. If people like the game, great play it! Of people don't... Don't play it!

It's a game after all... I only play games when they're fun to me. When games stop being fun, I stop playing them. It's almost as if people don't value their spare time.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
Wait... Allies can use each others' drop pods? What did I miss?

If it's a fast attack drop pod, they can.

For the uninformed can you point me to the rule that says this. Learn something everyday!

Hi, Welcome to Dakkadakka.
The only thing we're arguing here is how the game is broken. Not if it is.
You're the first person I've seen that actually just think the game is doing great.

Well I agree with what both of you said: the game is currently broken = true, I love the direction of 40k = i do also. In my humble opinion, the only reason why it seem broken is because you have to wait for your codex to be updated. Don't get me wrong, it will still be unbalance. But once everybody receive their codex, it won't be as much. Of course then, they will just start a new cycle to mess with our feelings lol.

After thinking a bit about what I wrote, I feel like i need to add more precision to my though. I said i like the direction 40k is taken. Well that's half true. there is a lot of thing I dislike about how GW is doing business lately, like releasing new stuff at the speed of light, or having trouble balancing it out at the end of the day because they are there to sell mini and not the game. But some other thing I like. I like formation. Not the current formation we have, but the concept of formation. I can imagine a world where I have the choice of bringing Sammael and make my bike troops choice, so I can make a CAd with ObjSec on my bikes, OR choose to bring Sammael and some other restriction to bring my Ravenwing as a formation, which wouldn't have ObjSec but other bonuse like we see in formation. That would give more choice, and that's awesome.

that's my 2cent, and keep in mind that I didn't start playing a long long time ago (I started Day 1 of 6th edition)

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:


I hear a lot of good things about this edition. It's just negative people speak louder than positive ones. If people like the game, great play it! Of people don't... Don't play it!

It's a game after all... I only play games when they're fun to me. When games stop being fun, I stop playing them. It's almost as if people don't value their spare time.

I make the game enjoyable for me by fixing the glaring holes in the mess GW is calling a rulebook. That doesn't excuse their terrible rules writing. And my group are puritans. I ally Skitarii with Cult Mechanicus, but that's the most allying being done. People in my group don't use dataslates, FW, super heavies or white dwarf rules.

When we end up (as we do several times every game) in a situation that the rules don't cover we just shrug and try to make something up, because "the rules won't have anything on that" has become a motto for us.

We are creating a fun game out of the trainwreck. This also makes us completely unable to play against anyone else, like visiting a club or the likes.

The whole "negative people speak louder" is being thrown around like it invalidates everything being said. It doesn't.

 PandaHero wrote:
it will still be unbalance. But once everybody receive their codex, it won't be as much.

As a person that has been playing through a lot of cycles, that's wishful thinking. We have always been saying that since the early 90s, and it has never happened yet.

PandaHero wrote:
it will still be unbalance. But once everybody receive their codex, it won't be as much.


As a person that has been playing through a lot of cycles, that's wishful thinking. We have always been saying that since the early 90s, and it has never happened yet.

But once everybody receive their codex, it won't be as much. Of course then, they will just start a new cycle to mess with our feelings lol.
Must feel good to quote only a portion of someone post to prove a point.

and just in case I misunderstand you/you misunderstood me, I'm saying that it won't be balance at the end of the cycle, just more balance that only after 3-4 codex. More team update has a good chance of making at least 1 more team viable lol.

 PandaHero wrote:

PandaHero wrote:
it will still be unbalance. But once everybody receive their codex, it won't be as much.


As a person that has been playing through a lot of cycles, that's wishful thinking. We have always been saying that since the early 90s, and it has never happened yet.

But once everybody receive their codex, it won't be as much. Of course then, they will just start a new cycle to mess with our feelings lol.
Must feel good to quote only a portion of someone post to prove a point.

and just in case I misunderstand you/you misunderstood me, I'm saying that it won't be balance at the end of the cycle, just more balance that only after 3-4 codex. More team update has a good chance of making at least 1 more team viable lol.

I saw what you said and I wasn't commenting on the end of the cycle. I was commenting on the cycle.
GW has never kept their current direction through a whole cycle

They have always decided to go in some random different direction and messed it up again mid-cycle.

 PandaHero wrote:

PandaHero wrote:
it will still be unbalance. But once everybody receive their codex, it won't be as much.


As a person that has been playing through a lot of cycles, that's wishful thinking. We have always been saying that since the early 90s, and it has never happened yet.

But once everybody receive their codex, it won't be as much. Of course then, they will just start a new cycle to mess with our feelings lol.
Must feel good to quote only a portion of someone post to prove a point.

and just in case I misunderstand you/you misunderstood me, I'm saying that it won't be balance at the end of the cycle, just more balance that only after 3-4 codex. More team update has a good chance of making at least 1 more team viable lol.

Purifier just seems jaded man. I mean he's altered the game to the point where he's unable to play in different stores. To me that's not 40k. You have two types of people I'm 40k... Those that are jaded and won't accept change in the game. They typically do whatever they can to sully GW.

Then you have those who are excited about the change, they embrace it, see the good in it and have fun with it. They also adapt to it, learn to play in that meta and don't let it get them down.

Actually, yes, negative people speak louder, because contented people don't feel the urge to say anything. I've been playing 40k since the end of 2nd Ed/start of 3rd Ed. Yeah, back when Khorne Berzerkers were OP and made your Terminator armour invalid, and could consolidate from combat to combat so you never got a chance to fight them. Look at the old release cycle, you had people bitching about how slow it was, and now people are bitching about the fast release cycle.

If you don't like it, don't play it. Or find a bunch of friends who are like-minded (since every naysayer seems to think that they're in the majority) to play an old edition with. I don't see how that's so difficult.

Personally, no edition was perfect, and no point in time was perfect either. I'm loving the variety in games now, and while yes, there's a crap-ton of sources for stuff, I don't think that that's a bad thing (unless you're a TO, then my hat goes off to you for all your hard work). Everyone back in the day had a copy of EVERY 'dex read and memorized before going to a GT, which made the game hyper-competitive in certain FLGS and groups. War is never predictable. War is hardly ever fair either. This is a wargame. You should be used to sometimes not knowing what's going to show up, or being outmatched. I'm for one, glad that it's prohibitively expensive to own every 'dex, dataslate, formation, supplement, FW book, etc. so there's still some element of surprise to games.

Again, if you don't like it, no one's asking you to play it. Nor is anyone asking you to spoil the mood for everyone else who likes the state of the game as it is. Everyone's been saying that GW is going to tank for the last half a decade to a decade. It hasn't tanked yet, not even under Kirby's leadership, and their annual financials are fine.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
Purifier just seems jaded man. I mean he's altered the game to the point where he's unable to play in different stores. To me that's not 40k. You have two types of people I'm 40k... Those that are jaded and won't accept change in the game. They typically do whatever they can to sully GW.

Then you have those who are excited about the change, they embrace it, see the good in it and have fun with it. They also adapt to it, learn to play in that meta and don't let it get them down.

Wow, that's starting to become pretty personal.
I could say there are two types of people in 40k. People that try to fix what's given to them and people that will swallow any piece of trash GW decides to feed them and refuses to question it in their glazed view think GW can do no wrong.

 Purifier wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
Purifier just seems jaded man. I mean he's altered the game to the point where he's unable to play in different stores. To me that's not 40k. You have two types of people I'm 40k... Those that are jaded and won't accept change in the game. They typically do whatever they can to sully GW.

Then you have those who are excited about the change, they embrace it, see the good in it and have fun with it. They also adapt to it, learn to play in that meta and don't let it get them down.

Wow, that's starting to become pretty personal.
I could say there are two types of people in 40k. People that try to fix what's given to them and people that will swallow any piece of trash GW decides to feed them and refuses to question it in their glazed view think GW can do no wrong.

Not a personal attack on you man. But with the amount of negativity you seem to have on GW why don't you choose a different game system or a different hobby?

If I disliked a company the way it sounds like you do, I wouldn't be supporting them. That's for sure.

Hell if I got this distraught over a game I wouldn't be playing it.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
Purifier just seems jaded man. I mean he's altered the game to the point where he's unable to play in different stores. To me that's not 40k. You have two types of people I'm 40k... Those that are jaded and won't accept change in the game. They typically do whatever they can to sully GW.

Then you have those who are excited about the change, they embrace it, see the good in it and have fun with it. They also adapt to it, learn to play in that meta and don't let it get them down.

Wow, that's starting to become pretty personal.
I could say there are two types of people in 40k. People that try to fix what's given to them and people that will swallow any piece of trash GW decides to feed them and refuses to question it in their glazed view think GW can do no wrong.

Not a personal attack on you man. But with the amount of negativity you seem to have on GW why don't you choose a different game system or a different hobby?

If I disliked a company the way it sounds like you do, I wouldn't be supporting them. That's for sure.

Hell if I got this distraught over a game I wouldn't be playing it.

HAHAHA are you kidding? I tell you that I like the game so much that I have taken the time to solve the biggest most glaring problems with the expensive books I bought, and that I actually enjoy the game this way, and you're telling me not only that I'm "jaded" but that I'm enjoying the game the wrong way and shouldn't be playing it. And that's not a personal attack? Wow, here I thought since you mentioned me by name it was about me. Guess I use English in a different way than you do.

 Purifier wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
Purifier just seems jaded man. I mean he's altered the game to the point where he's unable to play in different stores. To me that's not 40k. You have two types of people I'm 40k... Those that are jaded and won't accept change in the game. They typically do whatever they can to sully GW.

Then you have those who are excited about the change, they embrace it, see the good in it and have fun with it. They also adapt to it, learn to play in that meta and don't let it get them down.

Wow, that's starting to become pretty personal.
I could say there are two types of people in 40k. People that try to fix what's given to them and people that will swallow any piece of trash GW decides to feed them and refuses to question it in their glazed view think GW can do no wrong.

Not a personal attack on you man. But with the amount of negativity you seem to have on GW why don't you choose a different game system or a different hobby?

If I disliked a company the way it sounds like you do, I wouldn't be supporting them. That's for sure.

Hell if I got this distraught over a game I wouldn't be playing it.

HAHAHA are you kidding? I tell you that I like the game so much that I have taken the time to solve the biggest most glaring problems with the expensive books I bought, and that I actually enjoy the game this way, and you're telling me not only that I'm "jaded" but that I'm enjoying the game the wrong way and shouldn't be playing it. And that's not a personal attack? Wow, here I thought since you mentioned me by name it was about me. Guess I use English in a different way than you do.

I suppose you do amigo.

Happy war gaming!

Don't even argue with DMB.

Just take a quick gander through DMB's post history.

Not worth it man.

They have always decided to go in some random different direction and messed it up again mid-cycle.

Ah ok I get what you mean. Yeah I guess I'm a bit naive that the cycle will help the balancing, but so far they stick to it (affter reading Space Marine rumor) and I'm happy that way. Only time will tell, and while waiting, I'm going to enjoy a couple game Playing my DA Ravenwing against Orks tonight, I can't wait to see how it turn out ^.^

Hey, if they managed to go through a whole cycle of Codex updates counting the start as the Necron codex in the current vein, it's actually looking quite good on the Codex-end of the whole thing.

Some things are a bit messy. Like Adeptus Mechanicus getting their good Formation in a White Dwarf... which means if I played with super heavies I would have to carry that with me too.

And if everyone is getting the kind of buffs that Eldar got, super heavies are going to be needed to keep up with everyone else's. I can see my group changing stance on that if the current releases are anything to go by. I can see myself changing my stance on it too.

But in general, yeah if all codex are updated to match this power creep, I think it could be a good edition. But the BRB is still terribly written.