How could they fix the Astra militarum with a new codex?

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**Desubot**

Kanluwen wrote:
The Deathstrike isn't going anywhere. It's in plastic.

Figure out a different fix.

Personally, I'm in favor of allowing for the Deathstrike to be fired into an on-going Assault with 0 scatter.

Personally im more for the radical: pick a spot. and count down.

No matter what happens its going there

(that way i can say nuclear launch detected)

**Melissia**

I find htis idea of the deathstrike amusing.

Also give it D-strength.

**Kanluwen**

You know what occurs to me?

It might be fitting to give the Deathstrike Missile "varying range bands" of Strength.

Center is D while the outset is 10.

**Desubot**

Kanluwen wrote:
You know what occurs to me?

It might be fitting to give the Deathstrike Missile "varying range bands" of Strength.

Center is D while the outset is 10.

You talking about the Big pizza plate gw has been trying to hawk at people?

**Kanluwen**

Desubot wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
You know what occurs to me?

It might be fitting to give the Deathstrike Missile "varying range bands" of Strength.

Center is D while the outset is 10.

You talking about the Big pizza plate gw has been trying to hawk at people?

Well yeah, since that's what the Deathstrike fires.

The 10" blast template.

Admittedly, I got mine back when Apocalypse first launched(got ALL of those templates with the backpack) so I still have the pimp as all hell neon green templates

**CT GAMER**

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
Wondering what you guys think would fix the imperial guard? What glaring weaknesses do we have that needs fixing?

Free tanks for everyone...

**Desubot**

Kanluwen wrote:
Desubot wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
You know what occurs to me?

It might be fitting to give the Deathstrike Missile "varying range bands" of Strength.

Center is D while the outset is 10.

You talking about the Big pizza plate gw has been trying to hawk at people?

Well yeah, since that's what the Deathstrike fires.

The 10" blast template.

Admittedly, I got mine back when Apocalypse first launched(got ALL of those templates with the backpack) so I still have the pimp as all hell neon green templates

I though the neon green one is the 7" template aka apoc blast

while the NEW new one is the mega apoc blast that is the blue 10" blast with a 7" and 5" diameter ring.

**Kanluwen**

Desubot wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Desubot wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
You know what occurs to me?

It might be fitting to give the Deathstrike Missile "varying range bands" of Strength.

Center is D while the outset is 10.

You talking about the Big pizza plate gw has been trying to hawk at people?

Well yeah, since that's what the Deathstrike fires.

The 10" blast template.

Admittedly, I got mine back when Apocalypse first launched(got ALL of those templates with the backpack) so I still have the pimp as all hell neon green templates

I though the neon green one is the 7" template aka apoc blast

while the NEW new one is the mega apoc blast that is the blue 10" blast with a 7" and 5" diameter ring.

Negative. The one that came with the Apocalypse launch way back when is 10", with 3", 5", 7" markers counting to the outer ring.

The thing I got came with the Apocalyptic Hellstorm, Barrage, and Blast templates.

**Desubot**

So no this one?

Or is that 15" and im not remembering the right size?

**Kanluwen**

Desubot wrote:
So no this one?

Or is that 15" and im not remembering the right size?

That looks like mine, just blue. with "studs" extending--and the barrage template is kind of different(mine is a static "four leaf clover" design)

**Desubot**

Hmm Ok i see

The blue thing the mega apoc blast is 15"

it has actual in game damage range bands 1/2/3
used for when Super heavy explode.

Seems like the perfect thing for a GIANT FETHING NUKE

**martin74**

Things I would fix:

1. Since the deathstritke is the hot topic. Strength D with 7 inch template. Keep it with ordanance rules. I do like the idea of the pick a spot and count down. Also, where ever the template lands, it is inpassible terrain. I have seen what modern artillery does, I couldn't imagine what a ICBM impact site would look like.

2. Rough riders: New models. I think on scaled down bikes would be great.

3. Regiment tactics. Right now it is you play AM with Cadian, Catachan, or some other regiment models.

4. Bring back Marbo

5. Make sentinels an upgrade to command squads as well as thier own FA entry.

Not much else at the moment I can think of.

**Desubot**

martin74 wrote:
I have seen what modern artillery does, I couldn't imagine what a ICBM impact site would look like.
.

It all depends on how its detonated.

above Surface wouldn't do much physical damage as it kills mostly with the pressure wave.

But surface or sub explosions would do some crazy stuff. IIRC

**JohnHwangDD**

Melissia wrote:
I find htis idea of the deathstrike amusing.

Also give it D-strength.

The S(D) is way more important than the countdown.

Also, if it's going to be one-shot for 200+ points (because you know GW is going to bump the points to LR cost), I'm expecting that S(D) blast to be 10" diameter.
____

BTW, the countdown is a bad idea. Instead, do this:

Fire the missile and place a target marker anywhere on the board (Barrage, baby).

At the start of the OPPONENT's shooting phase, resolve the hit with a regular scatter.

**Jambles**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Melissia wrote:
I find htis idea of the deathstrike amusing.

Also give it D-strength.

The S(D) is way more important than the countdown.

Also, if it's going to be one-shot for 200+ points (because you know GW is going to bump the points to LR cost), I'm expecting that S(D) blast to be 10" diameter.
____

BTW, the countdown is a bad idea. Instead, do this:

Fire the missile and place a target marker anywhere on the board (Barrage, baby).

At the start of the OPPONENT's shooting phase, resolve the hit with a regular scatter.

Would be too easy for your opponent to dodge, no?

**JohnHwangDD**

It's a 10" diameter blast. Not everything is that nimble.

**Desubot**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
It's a 10" diameter blast. Not everything is that nimble.

6" movement + scatter.
something is bound to get hit.

**JohnHwangDD**

The main thing is that it auto-destroys buildings. So the shenanigains with high BS-characters manning emplaced AA guns kind of goes away.

**Kanluwen**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
The main thing is that it auto-destroys buildings. So the shenanigains with high BS-characters manning emplaced AA guns kind of goes away.

That needs to go away in any case.

Just because you're a character with a pimpin' Ballistic Skill doesn't mean you know diddly about operating anti-aircraft weaponry.

**vipoid**

To be honest, I'd say its the idiotic flier rules that need to go away.

I refuse to believe that this the the 41st sodding millennium, and yet this is the sum of our infantry's anti-air technology:

**Kanluwen**

Flyer rules, in general, aren't that bad--because honestly without them they'd either be stupidly hard to kill or absurdly easy.

The rules for emplacements and interacting with characters/special rules are pants on head moronic though.

**vipoid**

That's the thing though - they *are* absurdly hard to kill.

Please name another unit that automatically ignores ~83% of incoming firepower.

**Kanluwen**

vipoid wrote:
That's the thing though - they *are* absurdly hard to kill.

Please name another unit that automatically ignores ~83% of incoming firepower.

I think we might have very different experiences dealing with flyers, because I've not found them too difficult to kill---even without dedicated AA.

**vipoid**

It seems we do indeed have different experiences.

Perhaps it's partially due to one of my main armies is DE.

Skyfire? Twin-Linked? Multiple-Shots? Nope, Never heard of them.

Though, even with other armies, I've seen ludicrous amounts of firepower poured into fliers and still achieve nothing.

**Kanluwen**

I think it's also going to depend on the flyer in question or what you're firing.

**Furyou Miko**

Kanluwen wrote:
Tanks, while part of their own regiments, are similar to Scions, Ogryns, etc in that they are not commonly fielded as their own "regiment" but as attachments to standard regimental formations.

So essentially, your counter-argument is "it doesn't count as mixing regiments because its standard practice to mix regiments"?

**Kanluwen**

Furyou Miko wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Tanks, while part of their own regiments, are similar to Scions, Ogryns, etc in that they are not commonly fielded as their own "regiment" but as attachments to standard regimental formations.

So essentially, your counter-argument is "it doesn't count as mixing regiments because its standard practice to mix regiments"?

You understand, first of all, that what you're seeing on the tabletop is not a REGIMENT, right?

It's a COMPANY.

To give an example:
Cadian 9823rd Regiment would be broken down into a number of Companies.
This could include an Armored Company(10th "Facepunchers"), a Sentinel Company(the 5th "Chickenstriders"), and the remainder as Infantry Companies.

The 9823rd Regiment would then have assets which are detached to them from the Militarum Auxilia(Abhumans such as Ogryn and Ratlings), Officio Prefectus(Commissars), and Militarum Tempestus(Scions).

Let's say you have the 82nd Ogryn Auxilia("Boneheads") and Scions from the 5534th("Tin Boys"). They would be folded into the 9823rd Regiment for the duration of the campaign.

With that bit laid down, you also have to understand that most players aren't interested in doing a "mixed aesthetic" army and that "Remnant Companies/Regiments"(such as a mixed Cadian/Catachan Company/Regiment) are listed as a background piece to open those options up if players want them. Mixed companies/regiments are, again, rare--excepting the fact that they can get created during warzones when an officer high enough up the command line decides it's necessary rather than letting a company/regiment which suffered horrendous casualties operate at reduced strength.

**Furyou Miko**

You do realise that every argument you put forward actually supports the idea that armies on the table are made up of units from different regiments, right?

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Except that they dont, its your 9823rd Regiment's X Company working with an attached Armor Platoon from the 9823rd's Armored Element.

Sentinels from the 9823rd's Sentinel Scout force.

The only no regimental forces would be Scions and Ogryns attached from their primary Regiment IF they had them.

Most of the time its just the 9823rd.

**JohnHwangDD**

All I know is that my IG Regiment has a Forge Moon that supplies its Companies with whatever equipment desired, and that my Regiment practices combined arms to make the most of it.