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Can I first just say thank you, this thread is getting me through a long night at work better than red bull!

Im gonna throw my opinion out because I know nothing about SW tbh :/... after abit of googling, it seems that the SW armies would run and hide if faced with a determined SM drop pod assault, or IG invasion.

If you read any codex the level of violence that the 40k armies put out in a fight seems too much for the SW soldiers to handle. especially as they seem to only be armed with laser guns and have a serious lack of close combat ability compared to the 8ft superhuman killing machine of the SMs.

just my 2p.

Well, the Executor-class ships *are* 15km long. That it has a crew complement six digits high does not, in any way, surprise me.

However, they only ever built something like 4 of these, and at least 1 has been destroyed.

 Psienesis wrote:
Well, the Executor-class ships *are* 15km long. That it has a crew complement six digits high does not, in any way, surprise me.

However, they only ever built something like 4 of these, and at least 1 has been destroyed.

Executor Class Star Destroyers are nineteen kilometers long. Not fifteen.

Then that picture is wrong, because the Mars is ten miles long (the nova cannon is 1/10th the length of the ship, and the nova cannon is 1 mile long)... and it shows the Executor as being three times that. Thirty miles is not nineteen kilometres.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Well, the Executor-class ships *are* 15km long. That it has a crew complement six digits high does not, in any way, surprise me.

However, they only ever built something like 4 of these, and at least 1 has been destroyed.

Executor Class Star Destroyers are nineteen kilometers long. Not fifteen.

Can't we just say it's really big and save ourselves from a debate as to who's right about the size of a fictional ship? lol

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Then that picture is wrong, because the Mars is ten miles long (the nova cannon is 1/10th the length of the ship, and the nova cannon is 1 mile long)... and it shows the Executor as being three times that. Thirty miles is not nineteen kilometres.

Well it's not like Imperial ship length is nailed down. A "battleship" can range anywhere in 40k from a seven kilometer respectable frigate to some ungodly twenty kilometer long behemoth flagship of a Primarch.

Also those scale pictures are almost never correct.

Depends on who and when you ask. This ship has been rated between 8 and 80km since its first appearance (at one point, it was stated to be 10 times longer than the Star Destroyers escorting it, which were said to be 8km each.).

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Well, the Executor-class ships *are* 15km long. That it has a crew complement six digits high does not, in any way, surprise me.

However, they only ever built something like 4 of these, and at least 1 has been destroyed.

Executor Class Star Destroyers are nineteen kilometers long. Not fifteen.

There's more like 15 or 20 of them over the span of the novels. As for the length there has been 3 different figures for their lengths quoted in technical manuals and the novels! I remember a lengthy thread bout it years ago because it was the point that I realised Star Wars was tripping up over its own facts -inevitable result of too many authors working on a universe that is constantly being increased. 40k isn't much better for that matter.

 thegreatchimp wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Well, the Executor-class ships *are* 15km long. That it has a crew complement six digits high does not, in any way, surprise me.

However, they only ever built something like 4 of these, and at least 1 has been destroyed.

Executor Class Star Destroyers are nineteen kilometers long. Not fifteen.

There's more like 15 or 20 of them over the span of the novels. As for the length there has been 3 different figures for their lengths quoted in technical manuals and the novels! I remember a lengthy thread bout it years ago because it was the point that I realised Star Wars was tripping up over its own facts -inevitable result of too many authors working on a universe that is constantly being increased. 40k isn't much better for that matter.

Which aren't canon anymore. See the novels turned into spank fiction where it was trying to be bigger and better and try to outdo the movies and such. I don't trust the novels of starwars at all.

And you trust the 40k ones? 'kay

 Bobthehero wrote:
And you trust the 40k ones? 'kay

Exactly. Double standards.


Honestly if you wanted a non-biased answer you would have to ask this on a site that is not mainly devoted to 40k fans. But then again looking in my sig you can see my Star Wars Imperial codex which probably means Im biased towards star wars too.
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Re: Star Dreadnoughts ...and can withstand firepower from half a fleet, or be crippled by 2 starfighters...take your pick. I always say enjoy sci-fi for what it is, because a considerable amount of it doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

 Bobthehero wrote:
And you trust the 40k ones? 'kay

I don't trust the novels of either.

Thank you for trying to assume that. ^.^

You made it sound like it, sure as sure

 thegreatchimp wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Well, the Executor-class ships *are* 15km long. That it has a crew complement six digits high does not, in any way, surprise me.

However, they only ever built something like 4 of these, and at least 1 has been destroyed.

Executor Class Star Destroyers are nineteen kilometers long. Not fifteen.

There's more like 15 or 20 of them over the span of the novels. As for the length there has been 3 different figures for their lengths quoted in technical manuals and the novels! I remember a lengthy thread bout it years ago because it was the point that I realised Star Wars was tripping up over its own facts -inevitable result of too many authors working on a universe that is constantly being increased. 40k isn't much better for that matter.

I probably didn't read those novels. I have to admit that I left the EU behind a long, long time ago (shut it!), before the release of the prequels, even, after having read... gods, I don't even remember what it was, I think one of the Young Jedi series my housemate had laying around, and it was 8-year-olds just repeating the famous one-liners of their parents. Seriously. 8-year-olds, dude.

I'm told that the YJ series got better once they weren't so young anymore, but I had stopped caring before that point and didn't touch anything SW related until the prequels. And those were horrible. It wasn't until TCW that some modicum of interest in the franchise was rekindled.

Machine spirits tend to depend on the writer.

FFG works (which have a much bleaker and pragmatic view of 40k) angle more so towards the idea that machine spirits exist on the highest level of technology (I.e. land raiders, cogitators) but aren't present in the more mundane things.

ADB's book depict most high level machine spirits as being A.I. with a different name.

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
Machine spirits tend to depend on the writer.

FFG works (which have a much bleaker and pragmatic view of 40k) angle more so towards the idea that machine spirits exist on the highest level of technology (I.e. land raiders, cogitators) but aren't present in the more mundane things.

ADB's book depict most high level machine spirits as being A.I. with a different name.

Most times yes.

Hence why I do not use novels as a source. Unless everyone agrees it is lore. ADB's usually falling in my category of lore that is trustworthy.

Though even ADB will tell you that he will ignore the writings of another BL author if said writings don't line up with how ADB views the setting.

 Psienesis wrote:
Though even ADB will tell you that he will ignore the writings of another BL author if said writings don't line up with how ADB views the setting.

True. Which is what I do. I mean CS Goto is as a narrator is terrible and boring.

As someone who has not read a single SW novel and has only experienced SW in what has shown up in film and animated TV. Also whos only experience with 40K is the lore in the codexs and main rule book I think its safe to say 40K universe would kick starwars universe butt.

However, all that really happens is that the universe of conflict gets bigger. As the OP said, all of 40K is invading SW, but all of 40K has the same infighting as it always has. Thus more planets get obliterated, more ork spores invade SW planets, more Necron solar system destroying buttons are found on the big control panel of fate. The SW universe fights bravely, but how can anyone hope to fight on 12 different fronts and win, even when the other guys stop shooting at you for a short time. Its just too much, and probably the only reason it gets dragged out as long as it does.

I still find it hilarious guardsmen armed with ironswords and muskets hold the line while clone troopers for example cant. I also dont understand why clone troopers wear that armor,if an ewok can kill them then anyone can while flak armor can stop shrapnel and stubber rounds.

Why wear tactical dreadnought armour when a flashlight can kill the wearer?

Remember when all the clone troopers just sort of ... got out of their transports on geonosis and then them and the droids just walked toward eachother shooting wildly?

A wraithknights will kill it's own mother to stick a toe into a ruin at least.

Singularity678 wrote:I still find it hilarious guardsmen armed with ironswords and muskets hold the line while clone troopers for example cant. I also dont understand why clone troopers wear that armor,if an ewok can kill them then anyone can while flak armor can stop shrapnel and stubber rounds.

Because they're level two nonheroics, and only heroic characters get their level as a bonus to their armour class.

 Happyjew wrote:
Why wear tactical dreadnought armour when a flashlight can kill the wearer?

If I understand the books where TDA has been shown correctly, then... it can't.

Bad game stats are bad.

*Smacks Happyjew upside the head*

Star Wars wins, 40k armies die of laughther seeing the elite soldiers and their huge reflective helmets on tiny legs running like ducks and shooting the ceiling. Well maybe Calgar and Swarmlord could hold hands and withstand the comedy but it would be futile anyway as super menace Lord Vader and his cringeworthy chest panel are coming and cannot be stopped as rofl follow their every step. Those are the supposedly coolest thing in Star Wars btw and they still have superweapons in form of ewoks, admiral Ackbar, Yoda and the music bands.

 Inkubas wrote:
But your right somehow a fleet of star destroyers piloted by some storm troopers marksmen can not only hold off the Nids, Orks, Necrons, Eldar, chaos, and the IoM but win against that threat. Because as far as I know, they (40k universe) aren't lead by a brilliant fish man and a militant teenage princess and have access to a fleet of 22 X-wing, 8 Y-wing, and 2 R-22 Spearhead starfighters to knock out the only thing holding the empire's authority... A deathstar

Hahaha this not to mention I just tried to rewatch the trilogy because of the incoming movie (with very open mind btw, didnt help heh) and the Empire is dumb as bricks. Han Solo almost made them crash two star destroyers (!) and later landed on the hack of the bridge. Tip of the iceberg really and the foundation is empire's usage of lights, 40k gets flak for skulls but the lights beat them 100:1.

Does it really matter if SW Troopers kill a couple times their number of Guardsmen? Let's say 10x, even? Don't the Guardsmen still win by a landslide?

I am 99% sure that in every "Who would win" the 40k universe comes out on top.

In this case, first we have the vastly superior firepower and armaments of the imperium, and the TERRIFYING horrible crap they face on an every day basis.
The enemies in 40k are not venture brothers henchmen, or poorly made droids, they are millenia old super intelligent species that have battled gods and won. They are infinite swarms of beasts and brutes who cannot be bartered or bargained with and only live to kill. We have chaos and daemons, which when gazed upon by the naked untrained eye, will drive a person insane.

The last straw in the who would win, is always magic.

It's the Force, Vs 40k Psykers. This is where 40k comes really far ahead. Psykers in 40k are balls up hands down disgustingly powerful. The force is childplay compared to the inside out boiling blood, gateway into the infinite abyss that sucks part of the planet and anything nearby into a hole of infinite damnation crazypants that is Vortex.

I love Star Wars with passion, but 40k is serious grimdark. It's whole selling point is, "We fight against gak your nightmare are afraid of. Hell is real, and we cut through it to save gas money".

The problem is Star Wars is exceedingly Polar -

You have the normal stuff (such as the stormtroopers etc.) which are underpowered compared to the 40k Universe and wouldn't be able to stop virtually any race from 40k.

Then you have the Super Doomsday weapons and on that point, Star Wars has feth-tons whereas 40k has the odd few.

Now, saying everything versus everything .... I'm going to have to say it's a draw. The Star Wars Universe is filled with so many Doomsday weapons that even if the 40k Universe was steaming away and capturing every planet from the Star Wars Universe --- the Star Wars Universe would just go "feth it" and start blowing up everything. It would be mutual annihilation.

 Otto Weston wrote:
The problem is Star Wars is exceedingly Polar -

You have the normal stuff (such as the stormtroopers etc.) which are underpowered compared to the 40k Universe and wouldn't be able to stop virtually any race from 40k.

Then you have the Super Doomsday weapons and on that point, Star Wars has feth-tons whereas 40k has the odd few.

Now, saying everything versus everything .... I'm going to have to say it's a draw. The Star Wars Universe is filled with so many Doomsday weapons that even if the 40k Universe was steaming away and capturing every planet from the Star Wars Universe --- the Star Wars Universe would just go "feth it" and start blowing up everything. It would be mutual annihilation.

What doomsday weapons?