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The main reason why 40K vs ANYTHING else is a 40K win is because while other Sci-fi universes sometimes take a single person/plot/ship/etc and dial it up to 11, in 40K the dial starts at 12.

The logistics behind 40K are just colossally absurd. The entire concept relies on the idea that you just don't think about it too hard. All other Sci-Fi setting try to be human first so that the reader/watcher can hope to relate to what is going on and draw them deeper into the story on a personal level. Hell in Star Wars one of the main heros is an average Joe with a blaster and a pretty fast ship. Nothing in 40K is relatable to the average reader, heck the most average Joe in 40K is a guardsman who grew up in a death world and was being taught to fight since birth.

Ok - I take it back the Zentrti and/or Robotech Masters of Macross could curb stomp the imperium. But thats a special case.

 Jayden63 wrote:
The main reason why 40K vs ANYTHING else is a 40K win is because while other Sci-fi universes sometimes take a single person/plot/ship/etc and dial it up to 11, in 40K the dial starts at 12.

The logistics behind 40K are just colossally absurd. The entire concept relies on the idea that you just don't think about it too hard. All other Sci-Fi setting try to be human first so that the reader/watcher can hope to relate to what is going on and draw them deeper into the story on a personal level. Hell in Star Wars one of the main heros is an average Joe with a blaster and a pretty fast ship. Nothing in 40K is relatable to the average reader, heck the most average Joe in 40K is a guardsman who grew up in a death world and was being taught to fight since birth.

No, 40k isn't actually that powerful on the scale of scifi as a whole. Sure, they're good compared to the average generic "WWII in space" scifi setting that's popular with TV and movies, but scifi as a whole has settings that make 40k's accomplishments look like a joke. I've said it before, but a single Culture civilian ship could effortlessly slaughter everything in 40k, and 40k's only hope would be that it gets bored of killing stuff and moves on to something more interesting.


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 Asherian Command wrote:
{stuff on starship weapons}.

Too bad none of that is canon.

Sadly the star wars universe does not have an answer to the Assassins of the Imperium.

I'm going to single this out because it's the textbook example of the "look at my gimmick" approach to this kind of debate. You haven't said anything about why assassins are effective at winning a galaxy-scale war or why Star Wars would be unable to counter them (whatever "counter" means in this context), you've just declared that assassins are awesome and therefore they must be an advantage. This is a really bad way to argue for a side.

As we have other races such as the Eldar who are so technologically advanced that it is by this they continue to survive. They bring back the dead, and their dead are far more powerful than their normal forms.

And they lose wars against WWI-in-space armies. I think the claims of Eldar superiority are greatly exaggerated.

Thank you Asherian for the reply, to address the points. But I'll be snipping out some stuff to prevent a wall of text.

 Asherian Command wrote:


Hell a single lance accidently destroyed a whole planet.

The next time the Night Haunter returned to Nostramo would be the last. Word had reached the legion that Imperial governor Basileus's regime allowed crime to run rampant once again. The Night Haunter's entire fleet arrived in orbit and aimed their weapons at their home world. Countless lance barrages and orbital torpedoes pummeled the surface. The bombardment reached the planet's core, possibly through a weakness left in the crust by Curze's landing or the extensive adamantium mining, and the planet burst apart[1][3].

Bolded the relevant part. So exactly how many weapons did it take to destroy the planet? An unknown number of ships and an unknown number of weapons. That does not transfer to a single weapon capable of causing a ELE.

(http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nostramo)


Then we have Nova Cannons (Very similar to the deathstar in terms of how powerful they are and how hard it is to operate them)

ecause of the destruction it can cause over a vast area, a Nova Cannon projectile is not armed until a fraction of a second after firing, though by that time it will have already traveled tens of thousands of kilometers through space.[2a] Nova Cannons are also notoriously difficult to operate and inaccurate, which is why many Naval captains prefer to use traditional torpedoes instead. For those captains which do mount them, a well-used Nova Cannon can be a terrifying weapon and psychological tool.[2a]

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nova_cannon

An unsubstantiated claim in terms of how powerful they are, one seems to be a conventional shell that other a 50' cube of plasma. Neither, in todays physics capable to achieving the effects claims. Effects not claimed in your source material.

And onto the other materials used. Thank you for providing the info, we are then coming into a circular argument. If lances do this amount of damage then missiles which do the same damage in a game therefore have the same 'real-life' effects,

Often times Space battles in the 40k universe are over hundreds of kilometres. While in starwars the are up close and personal.

Seen here

This is my personal view, so please accept it as such. This is as a result of presentation. Long distance battles do not work well in a visual media. I think I can guarantee that should 40K ever make it to a screen, the battles will be represented in the exact same way. Also, in some of the source materials Imperial ships only had ranges of thousands of km and were targeted using an optical telescope. But this has been discounted in preference to the 100,000 km ranges.

Also lies? Lies? You mean what Aaron Demboswaki said? Yes has anyone actually quoted a novel from 40k yet? No.... None have. They have been from the core books of the 40k universe. Codexes, the rules, and the many older writings of 40k which talk about actual weapon power.

There has only ever been one book in which weapon power was discussed and that was the original Spacehulk, in which a missile was listed as having 122 warheads at 5gt each. There is no other writing in which actual weapon power is discussed.

40k is a universe where logic is somewhat devoid within this universe. But that doesn't mean that it loses to starwars. Which though popular does not mean it is better or havae more powerful weaponry. It is clear that it is not as strong as the 40k universe.

Not also to forget that I and many others have only talked about the Imperium so far. The Imperium That is the only group we have siginificantly covered. As we have other races such as the Eldar who are so technologically advanced that it is by this they continue to survive. They bring back the dead, and their dead are far more powerful than their normal forms.

Imagine it an Eldar Craftworld in the star wars universe. Sowing chaos and destroying any race secretly. They can make any thing seem like an accident.

I'm not arguing that, I'm just fed up of the numerous facts and figures being thrown about as to the uber weaponry used by the imperial fleet as to being the reason for 40K success.

Cheers

Andrew

Bolded the relevant part. So exactly how many weapons did it take to destroy the planet? An unknown number of ships and an unknown number of weapons. That does not transfer to a single weapon capable of causing a ELE.

Nostrodomo outer core and crusts were made out of adamantium layers.

That is how I know you didn't read it or take the time to look through the history of Nostrodomo. A planet that was famed for that.

I'm not arguing that, I'm just fed up of the numerous facts and figures being thrown about as to the uber weaponry used by the imperial fleet as to being the reason for 40K success.

Well in the modern world force projection and force movability is often the most key to winning a war. Hence why the romans won many of their wars is because they built roads ahead of time and were able to use those to get to locations rather quickly. (So did the germans and many others throughout history)

40k in it's construction has an infaminable amount of force projection. The Power that the adminstration of the imperium has is uncalculated and incredible. Imagine for a second what would happen if all of a sudden the wars in the imperium were ceased and the imperium had one target?

The Imperials (Star Wars) for all their genius could not correlate or be equal to the combined strength of the Imperium's War Machine. Orders would be sent, the Imperium of Man would surround quickly and their fleets would destroy them.

You are not dealing with a single battleship. The point being is that everytime these starwars universes have faced a foe they have had one major fleet.

The Imperium has Six Major fleets. Segemtus, Solar, Pacificus, Obscurous, etc. All six major fleets are pretty fething big, the Segementus fleet when fully brought together destroyed one of the largest hive fleets known to the Imperium. Their fleets are uncountable their armies are massive, their logistics are borderline inhuman, and their leaders are countless years old.

You aren't talking about a single dying old man, we are talking about a space bound empire that rules the stars. Fanatics, super humans, demihumans, and saints are within the Imperium. The star wars universe in the face of such a threat would be smart to do one thing. Flee.

There is no other way to stop a force that does not yield, that does not stop. You killed one fleet, oh here is another. Is the idea of the Imperium. The Star Wars universe values life and their forces. The Imperium lacks that frame of mind. Their goal is only to win.

There has only ever been one book in which weapon power was discussed and that was the original Spacehulk, in which a missile was listed as having 122 warheads at 5gt each. There is no other writing in which actual weapon power is discussed.

Space hulk was produced by Games workshop so. That is technically canon.

This is my personal view, so please accept it as such. This is as a result of presentation. Long distance battles do not work well in a visual media. I think I can guarantee that should 40K ever make it to a screen, the battles will be represented in the exact same way. Also, in some of the source materials Imperial ships only had ranges of thousands of km and were targeted using an optical telescope. But this has been discounted in preference to the 100,000 km ranges.

Oh yeah I know! I know that is what happens in movies. For dramatic effect, the same reason why in game of thrones they have everyone with swords, when swords are extremely expensive and not everyone in the middle ages could actually afford one, the most common weapon in Europe at the tame was an axe or a pole arm. I understand that is what happens and even in the artwork of 40k you could see this.

I mean they have in some artwork showing that bolters have cases for their bullets. Which isn't the case in the lore. (As described in codex space marine)

And onto the other materials used. Thank you for providing the info, we are then coming into a circular argument. If lances do this amount of damage then missiles which do the same damage in a game therefore have the same 'real-life' effects,

You didn't quite read it correctly did you? Just going to say it. It is more accurate to use missles, but the Nova cannon is still superior in terms of fire power.

The Missles are more accurate, but that doesn't mean they can do more damage than a Nova Cannon as a nova cannon as stated fires a small sun that then explodes over a hundred thousand kilometres (or upon impact) That amount of plasma in 40k is pretty effective. In real life as I have stated 40k is devoid of logic. So trying to apply logic in 40k, where there are demons, pyskers and fantasy creatures is incredibly... Well short sighted. You can apply metaphors and alliteration and other literary tricks but real life physics in a universe where physics seems to have taken the back seat is something that doesn't quite mesh together.

Too bad none of that is canon.

That is canon actually that is all from the Rouge Trader books form WAAAYYYY back. And are still canon to this day as the lore has not been changed or moved. And most of it is from Battle Fleet Gothic which was run by Gamesworkshop.

I mean if we are in the KOTOR universe where they have access to the starforge then the imperium (Granted that the starwars universe can mass produce enough people to pilot the ships of the starforge) will have a good fight ahead of them.


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 Jayden63 wrote:
The main reason why 40K vs ANYTHING else is a 40K win is because while other Sci-fi universes sometimes take a single person/plot/ship/etc and dial it up to 11, in 40K the dial starts at 12.

The logistics behind 40K are just colossally absurd. The entire concept relies on the idea that you just don't think about it too hard. All other Sci-Fi setting try to be human first so that the reader/watcher can hope to relate to what is going on and draw them deeper into the story on a personal level. Hell in Star Wars one of the main heros is an average Joe with a blaster and a pretty fast ship. Nothing in 40K is relatable to the average reader, heck the most average Joe in 40K is a guardsman who grew up in a death world and was being taught to fight since birth.

Ok - I take it back the Zentrti and/or Robotech Masters of Macross could curb stomp the imperium. But thats a special case.

Or Starships troopers (book not the movie) Or The Culture or The Old Man's War universe Where everyone has a plasma rifle and their ships and their crews are so powerful it is kind of insane. (That and every member is over 75 years in age and most often they have already served in war). Or the Dragon Ball universe. Or the Sins of a Solar Empire Universe. Those all have a pretty good chance (around 60%, except for the culture one which is around 1812350581% because every member of the culture is basically a god)

 Asherian Command wrote:
Orders would be sent, the Imperium of Man would surround quickly and their fleets would destroy them.

Alternatively, the Imperium's armies/fleets/etc would all be lost in the warp. And those orders would be sent, arrive 10,000 years in the past, and change the outcome of the Heresy so that the Imperium never exists, because warp travel is like that. Or maybe it just takes 1,000 years to organize all of those fleets, another 1,000 years to get where they need to be, and then the Tau kill everything because they turned into the grimdark version of the Culture while the Imperium was off trying to beat Star Wars. That's the problem with depending on the warp, you never know what you're going to get.

The point being is that everytime these starwars universes have faced a foe they have had one major fleet.

Once again you're making a big deal out of random facts and gimmicks. Who cares how many major fleets a faction has fought? Is there really a huge difference between ten fleets of ten ships each and a single fleet of a hundred? What about a single fleet of a hundred ships vs. ten fleets of a hundred ships that each have 10% of the power of the ships in the hundred-ship fleet? Talking about "six major fleets" is meaningless until you can quantify the total firepower/defense/etc of those six fleets.

Their fleets are uncountable their armies are massive, their logistics are borderline inhuman, and their leaders are countless years old.

You aren't talking about a single dying old man, we are talking about a space bound empire that rules the stars. Fanatics, super humans, demihumans, and saints are within the Imperium. The star wars universe in the face of such a threat would be smart to do one thing. Flee.

And none of that is quantified at all, so it's just meaningless fluff.

Space hulk was produced by Games workshop so. That is technically canon.

No it isn't. GW does not have any canon policy that says "games we produce are canon". Space Hulk has no special canon status compared to 40k, licensed games in the 40k setting like DoW, or even my own personal fanfiction.

So trying to apply logic in 40k, where there are demons, pyskers and fantasy creatures is incredibly... Well short sighted. You can apply metaphors and alliteration and other literary tricks but real life physics in a universe where physics seems to have taken the back seat is something that doesn't quite mesh together.

Except trying to apply logic is exactly what you're doing. If you genuinely don't believe that logic applies at all then you can't say things like "40k has more powerful guns than Star Wars". What you're actually doing is selectively applying logic/physics/etc to 40k when it's an example of 40k being powerful and saying "logic doesn't apply" when you need to dismiss a weakness.

That is canon actually that is all from the Rouge Trader books form WAAAYYYY back.

Rogue Trader is not canon.

And most of it is from Battle Fleet Gothic which was run by Gamesworkshop.

BFG is not canon.

Or Starships troopers (book not the movie)

Actually, Starship Troopers gets massacred effortlessly by 40k. Even without considering firepower/defense/etc the sheer size advantage of 40k gives them an easy win.

The Old Man's War universe Where everyone has a plasma rifle and their ships and their crews are so powerful it is kind of insane.

What exactly was so powerful about that universe? I don't remember anything that suggested it was anything other than an average mid-level scifi setting with nothing particularly impressive about it.

What exactly was so powerful about that universe? I don't remember anything that suggested it was anything other than an average mid-level scifi setting with nothing particularly impressive about it.

They had a few plant busters, they were able to conquer entire alien species rather quickly their ships moved incredibly quickly and the killed many other alien races.

Their soldiers were all biomechanical constructs, that and they had a limitless supply of them back on earth and many of the colonies. Their armies were basically all super humans with mechanical bionics.

Giving that to every soldier and having the amount of technology they have is pretty awe inspiring.

The point is that the Imperium of Man, the Tau, Necrons, whatever.... CANT devote all their resources into destroying a single faction. The war is on all sides and if they were to fully devote into destroying any single faction then they would be destroyed by the other forces exploiting their weakness.

The Star Wars galaxy is massive and has already been shown to have HUGE production capabilities. Not only this but they also have easy access to cheap and effective Droid armies to fight their wars for them.

The same production capabilities that spits out 1,000+ star destroyers a year can also be used to produced an incredible amount of war droids in that same time. We are talking billions perhaps trillions a year.

You might ask why the empire doesn't just do this to destroy the rebellion. The reason of course being that they are generally A.I phobic and that the guerrilla warfare the rebels practiced was more easily dealt with by living forces. Not too mention that the they were originally not seen as a threat

 Asherian Command wrote:

Bolded the relevant part. So exactly how many weapons did it take to destroy the planet? An unknown number of ships and an unknown number of weapons. That does not transfer to a single weapon capable of causing a ELE.

Nostrodomo outer core and crusts were made out of adamantium layers.

That is how I know you didn't read it or take the time to look through the history of Nostrodomo. A planet that was famed for that.

And what is the chemical and material properties of adamantium? I did look and then dismissed it as being irrelevant and unsupportable. Again, people keep quoting the gt and tt damage outputs of starship weaponry. Using your info above we have an unknown number of weapons firing at an unknown substance and that according to you equals a single lance is capable of destroying a planet. You don't think that your original statement is off?

Well in the modern world force projection and force movability is often the most key to winning a war. Hence why the romans won many of their wars is because they built roads ahead of time and were able to use those to get to locations rather quickly. (So did the germans and many others throughout history)

40k in it's construction has an infaminable amount of force projection. The Power that the adminstration of the imperium has is uncalculated and incredible. Imagine for a second what would happen if all of a sudden the wars in the imperium were ceased and the imperium had one target?

The Imperials (Star Wars) for all their genius could not correlate or be equal to the combined strength of the Imperium's War Machine. Orders would be sent, the Imperium of Man would surround quickly and their fleets would destroy them.

You are not dealing with a single battleship. The point being is that everytime these starwars universes have faced a foe they have had one major fleet.

The Imperium has Six Major fleets. Segemtus, Solar, Pacificus, Obscurous, etc. All six major fleets are pretty fething big, the Segementus fleet when fully brought together destroyed one of the largest hive fleets known to the Imperium. Their fleets are uncountable their armies are massive, their logistics are borderline inhuman, and their leaders are countless years old.

You aren't talking about a single dying old man, we are talking about a space bound empire that rules the stars. Fanatics, super humans, demihumans, and saints are within the Imperium. The star wars universe in the face of such a threat would be smart to do one thing. Flee.

There is no other way to stop a force that does not yield, that does not stop. You killed one fleet, oh here is another. Is the idea of the Imperium. The Star Wars universe values life and their forces. The Imperium lacks that frame of mind. Their goal is only to win.

There has only ever been one book in which weapon power was discussed and that was the original Spacehulk, in which a missile was listed as having 122 warheads at 5gt each. There is no other writing in which actual weapon power is discussed.

Space hulk was produced by Games workshop so. That is technically canon.

This is my personal view, so please accept it as such. This is as a result of presentation. Long distance battles do not work well in a visual media. I think I can guarantee that should 40K ever make it to a screen, the battles will be represented in the exact same way. Also, in some of the source materials Imperial ships only had ranges of thousands of km and were targeted using an optical telescope. But this has been discounted in preference to the 100,000 km ranges.

Oh yeah I know! I know that is what happens in movies. For dramatic effect, the same reason why in game of thrones they have everyone with swords, when swords are extremely expensive and not everyone in the middle ages could actually afford one, the most common weapon in Europe at the tame was an axe or a pole arm. I understand that is what happens and even in the artwork of 40k you could see this.

I mean they have in some artwork showing that bolters have cases for their bullets. Which isn't the case in the lore. (As described in codex space marine)

And onto the other materials used. Thank you for providing the info, we are then coming into a circular argument. If lances do this amount of damage then missiles which do the same damage in a game therefore have the same 'real-life' effects,

You didn't quite read it correctly did you? Just going to say it. It is more accurate to use missles, but the Nova cannon is still superior in terms of fire power.

The Missles are more accurate, but that doesn't mean they can do more damage than a Nova Cannon as a nova cannon as stated fires a small sun that then explodes over a hundred thousand kilometres (or upon impact)

I didn't say that I said that the figures used to support the 'über ness' of starship weaponry uses circular logic referencing the damage output of one weapon to directly extrapolating the output of other weapons. And the main culprit of that is the starship battles website that a lot of people reference

Your other points are all matters of debate, and are variable enough upon which to have a discussion. However claiming real life values for unknown weapons firing at unknown materials is one that I completely disagree with.

Cheers

Andrew


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 DoomShakaLaka wrote:
The point is that the Imperium of Man, the Tau, Necrons, whatever.... CANT devote all their resources into destroying a single faction. The war is on all sides and if they were to fully devote into destroying any single faction then they would be destroyed by the other forces exploiting their weakness.

The Star Wars galaxy is massive and has already been shown to have HUGE production capabilities. Not only this but they also have easy access to cheap and effective Droid armies to fight their wars for them.

The same production capabilities that spits out 1,000+ star destroyers a year can also be used to produced an incredible amount of war droids in that same time. We are talking billions perhaps trillions a year.

You might ask why the empire doesn't just do this to destroy the rebellion. The reason of course being that they are generally A.I phobic and that the guerrilla warfare the rebels practiced was more easily dealt with by living forces. Not too mention that the they were originally not seen as a threat

The threat of a bogie man is also good for keeping a population under control. A civilisation at peace will balk at civil liberty restriction that a wartime population will accept without comment. Eg food rationing, movement restrictions, centralisation of powers, implementation of new laws without consultation. A dictatorship works better when you are at war and can direct the anger of the populace against a third party.
Cheers
Andrew

Not too mention that the vaccum warfare practiced by droids is very brutal against those that actually need air to live.


Someone mentioned that the Eldar would be able to overcome the distance between galaxies and that they would just be able to come and destroy the Star Wars universe soley. Not going to debate the claim quite yet, but why WOULD they do this? They are a dying race which is barely holding on at the moment. Risking a craft world and its denizens for no reason seems highly out of character.

The IoM can neither afford to fight the SW universe and they also cannot physically bridge the gap between any galaxy in less then a 1000 years. By which time the crew would be so many generations removed and possibly not even remember why they left for the SW galaxy in the first place...

They wouldn't risk a craft world.

A lone Farseer would find some puppets to destroy the Empire.

They probably just need a set of twins with daddy issues.

Eldar first-line infantry are the fools of other races.


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(1k years is a fraction of an Eldar generation, less for the races with either stasis or clinical immortality.)

The C'tan would single-handedly swipe the entire Star Wars universe off the map in a single strike.

 Sigvatr wrote:
The C'tan would single-handedly swipe the entire Star Wars universe off the map in a single strike.

All the C'Tan are withered husks of their former strength though. I'll also point out that in current fluff the necrons are not all awoken and that many of the slumbering tombs have been broken and corrupted by madness. There is still a long time before you can even claim that they would all awake.


I don't see the Eldar getting involved at all unless they the galactic Empire would fall to chaos or they had settled on a ton of maiden worlds or something along those lines. Any force the IoM sends will not be strong enough to handle the Star Wars universe as it could not even be the size of even 1 fleet since they are already fighting at full capacity. The force sent out would never be heard from again and be a complete waste of imperial resources
.

Besides that is WAY outside the light of the astronomiccum and relatively safe travel.

Both universes are populated with drooling morons and both are written by authors bad at science. It's a draw, as they create a vortex of ineptitude that breaks time and space.

 Jayden63 wrote:
The main reason why 40K vs ANYTHING else is a 40K win is because while other Sci-fi universes sometimes take a single person/plot/ship/etc and dial it up to 11, in 40K the dial starts at 12.

The logistics behind 40K are just colossally absurd. The entire concept relies on the idea that you just don't think about it too hard. All other Sci-Fi setting try to be human first so that the reader/watcher can hope to relate to what is going on and draw them deeper into the story on a personal level. Hell in Star Wars one of the main heros is an average Joe with a blaster and a pretty fast ship. Nothing in 40K is relatable to the average reader, heck the most average Joe in 40K is a guardsman who grew up in a death world and was being taught to fight since birth.

Ok - I take it back the Zentrti and/or Robotech Masters of Macross could curb stomp the imperium. But thats a special case.

Oh please there are many things that are far stronger than 40k.

 Jayden63 wrote:
Ok - I take it back the Zentrti and/or Robotech Masters of Macross could curb stomp the imperium. But thats a special case.

Add The Culture from Ian Banks Novels to that list. The tech is so lol-ridiculous a singe culture GSV could take on on hundreds of 40k vessels.

Oh please there are many things that are far stronger than 40k.

Pokemon VS 40k.
Go.

 Ratius wrote:

Oh please there are many things that are far stronger than 40k.

Pokemon VS 40k.
Go.

Perhaps I should have said anything fron a movie or tv. I do realize that there are some pretry out there sci-fi stuff from various authors, but. Still unknown the the majority mass of humanity. Lets face it while not everyone has read ton f books, most have watched a movie or tv show or two.

 Jayden63 wrote:

 Ratius wrote:

Oh please there are many things that are far stronger than 40k.

Pokemon VS 40k.
Go.

Perhaps I should have said anything fron a movie or tv. I do realize that there are some pretry out there sci-fi stuff from various authors, but. Still unknown the the majority mass of humanity. Lets face it while not everyone has read ton f books, most have watched a movie or tv show or two.

Doctor Who is far above anything in 40k (and also far above the Culture mentioned before), and it is practically a cultural thing in the UK.

 Tyran wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:

 Ratius wrote:

Oh please there are many things that are far stronger than 40k.

Pokemon VS 40k.
Go.

Perhaps I should have said anything fron a movie or tv. I do realize that there are some pretry out there sci-fi stuff from various authors, but. Still unknown the the majority mass of humanity. Lets face it while not everyone has read ton f books, most have watched a movie or tv show or two.

Doctor Who is far above anything in 40k (and also far above the Culture mentioned before), and it is practically a cultural thing in the UK.

There's also Star Trek. The Federation may be a joke, but their huge collection of conceptual entities sure aren't.

So for the purposes of this discussion what are we considering canon for 40k? Some hard facts on both sides of production capabilities, numbers, tendencies, and advanced technology would be very useful for a direct comparison.

It all ends with theese two in melee

Well if we're allowing EVERYTHING from 40k I'll have to revise my earlier statement. After all what could stand before the might of these three?!!!!

 Singularity678 wrote:
It all ends with theese two in melee

Size matters not! Despite the fact that the midgets picture you posted is 10x bigger than Space Marine Captains lol.


Also suddenly I want to see Death Farrots as Fast Attack option for the inquisition. Fear the Ferret!

Perhaps I should have said anything fron a movie or tv. I do realize that there are some pretry out there sci-fi stuff from various authors, but. Still unknown the the majority mass of humanity. Lets face it while not everyone has read ton f books, most have watched a movie or tv show or two.

I was just kidding.
Theres a boatload of Universes that would likely crush 40k, I just picked Pokemon as a jest

Also, that Captain should be subbed for Smash fether. He rides a bike afterall.

This vs this

This



Vs

Emperor 30k era VS Palpatine.
Go.

No, wait, I already did that.....nvm.

 Psienesis wrote:
Then 40K takes it in a landslide, since the SW galaxy is *fethed* following the Vong invasion.

Which never happened, technically everything that isn't in the movies is now non canon...unless i've got my info wrong.

I do have full confidence in the 40k universe though, if the Ewoks could kill stormtroopers...well..

I think a space marine tactical squad may be able to single handedly breach and storm the hallways of a star destroyer and take it over without too much effort.

I think Q in Star Trek could clap his hands and wipe out either Star Wars or 40k invaders too.

I think Q in Star Trek could clap his hands and wipe out either Star Wars or 40k invaders too.

Creeds already outflanked him.

 Singularity678 wrote:
This vs this

Jars Jars head has already been severed in the photo chosen, so the job basically been done for that grey knight.

However I'd like to see George Lucas against Matt Ward.