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But If you want to argue it, weak minded could mean anyone without any training in using the force. Ergo, deamons fall under it.
*Sign* All it would take is for you to leave it at "I kid", and I'd have let it slide...
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More to the point, using a power of a similar function, human psykers in 40K can temporarily (the duration, however, could vary extremely widely in the fluff) take control of virtually all but the most admantium-willed individuals. Can Jedis do the same? Not according to the movies nor Kenobi himself.
Lol. Quite true, I was never making a real claim just speaking for anyone that might try to use the ambiguity. (Which as has been stated even 40k people have done this thread)
I'd wager weak willed people would fall under low self control/discipline. Or just people with no goal/motivation?
Which brings up the question, are chaos beings/followers/cultist lacking in self control/discipline? I've read fluff stating yes and no.
Of course this is all subjective and has no real evidence behind either way. Just a little fun thought line I had.
As with all groups of individuals, there can be only a few things that are uniform amongst them. The followers of Chaos can range from your everyday Joe working a 12-hour shift in a million-strong manufactorum, to a spoiled second son to a planetary noble seeking pleasure or/and power. Amongst them can be the raving madmen of the oppressed scavengers, the feared and hated human mutants, or once proud warriors of Men lost to the temptation or torment of the Dark Gods. A Vast majority of the mortal hosts of Chaos are natives to the daemon worlds, having to seek survival in an ever-hostile, unforgiving world with nothing but their tainted flesh and bones. This means no two mortal adherent of Chaos are alike.
Far from being universal, your common cultists, militias and perhaps even traitor guardsmen can be easily swayed by force. Cultists and renegades alike generally seek a greater force to cling on to, for the deterrence of a fearsome and horrible patron may keep them safe from other attackers, if not for the hope of a better treatment. These are generally easily scared away due to just how equally poorly treated by both their former and current patrons.
Others, however, can be quite rabid, and zealous to the Dark Gods, fervently believing in the willing of the Big Four, much like many real-life Cultists, and are willing to sacrifice others and even themselves to bring glory to the Dark Gods. These are the most tenacious ones: they operate according to the perceived preferences and would not easily lose themselves in the face of certain doom; of the ambitious ones, their goal is usually firmly set upon daemonhood, and would pay whatever cost to bring about the apotheosis. Of these most common are the Chaos Space Marines, due mostly to their very own biological advantages and superior trainings they received prior.
Although generally, the Chaos Warbands lack coherence. Each warband is led by a Champion or Warlord, who has his/her goal set upon the prize every other champions have on. Conflict is common, and mortal factions within the Eye of Terror constantly wage war against one another for precious resources that the Daemon Worlds severely lack.
Chaos Daemons, on the other hand, are actually far more coherent. We know so far the Khorne Daemons are strictly hierarchical and their legions are organized according to Khorne's likings. From the most powerful Daemons to the very foot soldiers, each level is commanded by a superior, and the next level commands a cohort of the next, etc. The legions of the other three gods are less detailed at the moment, but it's certain that a hierarchy of commands is similarly in place (perhaps no so with Tzeentch), generally according to Greater Daemon > Lesser Greater Daemon > Lesser lesser Greater Daemon ... > Heralds & Daemon Princes > foot soldiers & beasties. They fight in packs of their patron god's own symbolic number and when their foe is clear, seek to destroy as any soldier would.
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Jayden63 wrote: Going back to a few ideas a few pages ago about Jedi reflexs and precog.
In Episode 1 - Qui Gon Jin catches Jar Jars tongue in mid flight, during its inital acceleration to target. Assuming its anything like a frogs tongue its an action that takes 15/100 of a second to complete. Not only was the Jedi able to forsee the complete travel of the tongue, but reacted in time to catch it on the launch. Which means he forsaw, reacted, and moved in less than 8/100 of a second.
He also says that the only reason why Anikin can drive a pod is because he can sense the future. It may not be far into the future, but its enough to get a very fast pod in and around obstacle.
During the fight at the beginning of the movie, both the jedi were able to deflect all the blaster bolts from the destroyers back at them, the only reason it was a stale mate was because the blaster shots couldn't prenetrate their own shielding. Thats a lot of control in the fashion of both angle of impact and reflection from moving targets (though not moving very fast)
In Episode 2 during the bar scene while hunting the assassin, Obiwan sense and reacts to the presence of the assassin in which he knew nothing of what they looked like.
In addition in Episode 2 Anikin jumps out of a car knowing the exact path the assassin was going to travel probably before the guy even knew where he was going in the first place. He was able to see distance, speeder speed, fall distance, fall speed, and vector trajectory to land on his target. It also wasn't just a lucky guess as it would appear that he had done it multiple times given Obiwans reaction to him jumping out of the car.
In Episode 5 Luke has a vision of the future in which his friends on Bespin are threatened. While it wasnt a very clear picture for him, Yoda was able to tune into the exact same vision, see a little more, but who knows exactly how much he really did share from what he saw. This shows that Jedi can see the future as a collective as well, its not just individual glimpes and maybes.
And while its hard to show in film or story books in the old Star Wars RPG I used to play as a Jedi advances in level they can raise their battle focus ability, its a passive ability that requires no expenditure on their part. It raises their To Hit modifier and their defense modifier. Just by being there. If we translate that to 40K it would raise their WS, Toughness, and probably save just by experance. So yeah, Masters could easily have higher values because the force passively augments them to super human levels. Levels that may take centuries to achieve by experience alone.
Yeah Pyskers in the 40k universe do something just like that. hence why when they are testing recruits they look for anyone that can predict their opponents movements before they happen. Because that is the no.1 sign of a psyker in the 40k universe.
Not to mention that during a combat situation according to the lore especially according to the lore a space marine with an armored fist can break through ceramite and masonry.
An unarmed marine was able to snap the neck of an armored space marine. We can also see in a book called the Inqusitior the Space marines have twice the strength and 33% more speed.
There is also the fact that at strength 4 that is past super human levels.
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raiden wrote: Did you mean str5? Cuz... Even str5 is reached on "superhuman", imperial assassins have str4
Game Mechanics do not equal fluff.
So no they don't. Though that can be explained by the fact that all assassins are genetically modified.
st4 is space marine level st3 is normal human level.
The problem with this is that this not a quantifier of other space marine strengths some space marines are stronger than others, some are faster, some are more agile. They all vary in size and shape like human beings.
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About Qui Gon Jin catching Jar Jar's tongue, if I remember that scene correctly, Jar Jar had been using his tongue like clockwork to snatch up food and eat it. While Jedi do seem to have impressive reflexes, to say nothing of the likes of masters, it could have partially been that Qui Gon Jin reacted in anticipation of Jar Jar shooting out his tongue, making it a far less impressive stunt (though still impressive).
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Asherian Command wrote: Now thats funny. A Being that has lived millions of years somehow gets under the perssuasion of a jedi. And yet Queen Amadla is somehow uneffected. Seems legit.
Perhaps, like 40k warp resistance/immunity, immunity to jedi mind control is a genetic thing. So some people in Star Wars have it, but presumably nobody in 40k has it since the force doesn't exist. And in that case it's entirely plausible that a demon, no matter how old, would be weak-minded and easily mind controlled by a jedi. After all, we seem to be assuming that nobody in Star Wars can resist warp corruption, so why assume that anyone in 40k can resist the force?
If the warp doesn't exist in the Star War Universe, of course nobody can resist the warp; if the force doesn't exist in the 40K universe, then of course Jedi mind trick would not even work in the 40K universe since that's the source of their power. It'd therefore be irrelevant to compare the Psykers and the Jedis as either one entering the other universe would be instantly rendered useless.
And if both forces exists then A). the daemon of 40K would have known of it, due to its both are influenced by emotion, albeit on different degrees (guess which one is less); in which the daemons would have known of it and would have no doubt be able to resist it; Jabba and Watto were resistant to it by their own accord, and before you retort -- WoC is hardly the authority of Star Wars canon, and now that the Expanded Universe is canned, their book is even less dependable. Whatever the case, the Jedi mind trick is said to only work on the "weak-minded" -- mind is not the determinate matter to the power of the force, but a tool to access it. Non-force sensitive individuals can resist such suggestion as a clone commander resisted Asajj Ventress's mind trick, showing that it's merely the will to resist, not the training is needed. So it's baseless to take it as "proof" that 40K universe cannot resist force mind trick.
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King Pariah wrote: About Qui Gon Jin catching Jar Jar's tongue, if I remember that scene correctly, Jar Jar had been using his tongue like clockwork to snatch up food and eat it. While Jedi do seem to have impressive reflexes, to say nothing of the likes of masters, it could have partially been that Qui Gon Jin reacted in anticipation of Jar Jar shooting out his tongue, making it a far less impressive stunt (though still impressive).
Isn't there a space marine who punched through a humans head?
Most astartes are pretty bloody impressive.
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And yeah Daemons would not be able to be mindtricked. IT is foolish that anyone would think that.
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Asherian Command wrote: And yeah Daemons would not be able to be mindtricked. IT is foolish that anyone would think that.
Are you going to provide some evidence to support this claim, or are you just going to leave it at "DEMONS ARE AWESOME NO MIND CONTROL BECAUSE I SAID SO"?
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Asherian Command wrote: And yeah Daemons would not be able to be mindtricked. IT is foolish that anyone would think that.
Are you going to provide some evidence to support this claim, or are you just going to leave it at "DEMONS ARE AWESOME NO MIND CONTROL BECAUSE I SAID SO"?
Actually I think most lesser daemons could be very susceptible to mind control. After all under the current rules any psycher with access to daemonology (which is pretty much anyone) can summon them into play and then the daemons follow the commands of the psycher who summoned them. That really doesn't show a whole lot of independent thought. The daemon never even considers wondering why they should suddenly fight for the guy in blue armor when only last century they were fighting against them.
It seems to me that lesser daemons would follow the Jedis orders/suggestions as long as their force of will was strong enough to overcome what ever order the daemon was currently following. I just don't see lesser daemons being overly individualistic and strong willed. After all, they used to only be LD7 IIRC
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King Pariah wrote: About Qui Gon Jin catching Jar Jar's tongue, if I remember that scene correctly, Jar Jar had been using his tongue like clockwork to snatch up food and eat it. While Jedi do seem to have impressive reflexes, to say nothing of the likes of masters, it could have partially been that Qui Gon Jin reacted in anticipation of Jar Jar shooting out his tongue, making it a far less impressive stunt (though still impressive).
Isn't there a space marine who punched through a humans head?
Most astartes are pretty bloody impressive.
Peregrine's ramblings
And yeah Daemons would not be able to be mindtricked. IT is foolish that anyone would think that.
My point wasn't that Jedis are all powerful awesome, it was that the whole reaction time thing is perhaps over exaggerated by whoever initially brought up Qui Gon Jin catching Jar Jar's tongue.
I'm on the side of 40k would win.
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Asherian Command wrote: And yeah Daemons would not be able to be mindtricked. IT is foolish that anyone would think that.
Are you going to provide some evidence to support this claim, or are you just going to leave it at "DEMONS ARE AWESOME NO MIND CONTROL BECAUSE I SAID SO"?
Actually I think most lesser daemons could be very susceptible to mind control. After all under the current rules any psycher with access to daemonology (which is pretty much anyone) can summon them into play and then the daemons follow the commands of the psycher who summoned them. That really doesn't show a whole lot of independent thought. The daemon never even considers wondering why they should suddenly fight for the guy in blue armor when only last century they were fighting against them.
It seems to me that lesser daemons would follow the Jedis orders/suggestions as long as their force of will was strong enough to overcome what ever order the daemon was currently following. I just don't see lesser daemons being overly individualistic and strong willed. After all, they used to only be LD7 IIRC
There are several misconceptions you have about daemon summoning -- in that a Sorcerer or Psyker can summon daemons to control them, and that Daemons have very little independent thought. Unless said summoning is designed to bind a Daemon, such as a Daemon engine or a Daemon Host, the summoner has not additional control over the summoned.
The Daemons crossing into realspace are drawn by one sole purpose -- to consume the mortal realm into their own, Daemon Worlds
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Though preoccupied by the machinations of their creators, all daemons lust after the worlds of mortal men. It is here that the Daemons can dominate and destroy, conquer and corrupt, for unlike the Warp, the material universe can be permanently changed by their actions. For this reason, Daemons constantly seek egress into the Realm of mortals. When a Warp breach gives the Daemon legions a chance to enter the mortal realm, all rivalries and vendettas are put aside. The numberless armies of the Immaterium burst forth, united by a shared goal -- the total conquest of and subjugation of realspace. (Codex: Chaos Daemons. "Rifts Between Worlds". 6th Edition. p18. print)
And summoning is just a way for them to cross through
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In order for a Daemon to break through into the mortal universe, there must be a breach of the barriers between Warp space and the material realm -- a Warp rift. Sometimes there occur randomly; at other times, either mortals or the gods bring about their creation by some supernatural act. (Codex: Chaos Daemons. "The Day of the Daemon". 6th Edition. p18. print)
The Daemons are not enslaved under the will of the summoner, they merely follow their own accord. TT has to allow you control them, because otherwise this would be a very lame power.
Similarly, Khorne Daemonkin can "summon" forth Khorne Daemons by spilling enough blood to cause a warp rift to occur -- yet there is no actual summoner. The blood of the attacker and the slaughtered gives way for the Daemonic Incursion. The Daemons simply passs through and do what they will. Still on the TT you "command" them, regardless of the nature of the incursion:
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Eventually, empowered by the Daemonkin's violence or by their deaths, the murderous warriors of Khorne's Legions will cross over, coursing from the Immaterium like blood from a wound to fight alongside the mortal host. Called forth by the sacrifice of the Daemonkin, and sustained by their adulation, they do not require the succour of the Warp to maintain their corporeal forms. Thus are these Daemons able to fight in realspace alongside the Daemonkin -- and later their own, fully summoned cohort - almost indefinitely. The faithful laud their appearance with howls of devotion; it matters little that many of them have died in the name of this dark miracle, for they know that Khorne welcomes bloodshed no matter its source. (Codex: Khorne Daemonkin. "Path to Glory". 7th Edition. digital)
A Daemon is a selfish fiend, in that their every move is to further their gods' causes, and by extension, their place to their patrons and creators. Any Daemon that's not a beast, may use any means they see fit to achieve this goal. Case in point -- Blood Letters:
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Whilst Bloodletters are not the subtlest of creatures, they are not above subterfuge if it will lead to an even greater tally of skulls to offer to the Blood God. However, where another Daemon may flatter and ensnare a mortal victim to torture them in perpetuity, a Bloodletter only ever resorts to persuasion or lies in order to stab a foe in the back. Bloodletters seek the blood of mortals to offer at the foot of the Skull Throne, ever hungry for fresh prey, ever willing to tear the warm red flesh from their wictims with talonand triumphantly smear the gore upon their curving horns. (Codex: Chaos Daemons. "Bloodletters of Khorne". 6th Edition. p29. print)
Daemons have wills and desires that guides their actions, however such nature is predetermined by their gods -- in that they are given free will, yet their will is pre-determined by their patron's own design. In other words, Warp Daemons are independent, but very single-minded beings bent on destroying or corrupting everything they can in the universe, just for fun.
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Asherian Command wrote: And yeah Daemons would not be able to be mindtricked. IT is foolish that anyone would think that.
Are you going to provide some evidence to support this claim, or are you just going to leave it at "DEMONS ARE AWESOME NO MIND CONTROL BECAUSE I SAID SO"?
Well daemons are incomprehensible nightmare creatures that operate under a different set of laws from our own universe, so I doubt something a simple as a mind trick could affect them.
Asherian Command wrote: And yeah Daemons would not be able to be mindtricked. IT is foolish that anyone would think that.
Are you going to provide some evidence to support this claim, or are you just going to leave it at "DEMONS ARE AWESOME NO MIND CONTROL BECAUSE I SAID SO"?
I agree with Asherian (on this point at least) that daemons would likely be immune to mind tricks. From my understanding for a mind trick to work the target must have a mind that interacts with the Force. A droid AI, no matter how advanced, cannot be mind tricked because it has no connection to the Force. Daemons I think would fall under the same category, as they are not living being with anything resembling organic minds.
I could be wrong, but there's my reasoning at least.
What if Jedi are actually using the Warp to fuel their abilities, and don't realize it - Sith are those who have been possessed by Daemons?
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That's a fun idea, especially given the old Sensei fluff.
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Happyjew wrote: What if Jedi are actually using the Warp to fuel their abilities, and don't realize it - Sith are those who have been possessed by Daemons?
I think I said that and people shot me down. As that jedi use the force a completetly different nature. I mean if they were using the warp, pure warp essence maybe, but the sith choose their own path and do everything they do willingly.
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Isn't there a faction in 40k that somehow were possessed and fought the daemons out of their body through will-power?
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DoomShakaLaka wrote: Isn't there a faction in 40k that somehow were possessed and fought the daemons out of their body through will-power?
That would be the Exorcist Space Marine chapter where less than 1% were able to complete it. They were created as an inquisition backup to Grey Knights. They went through heavy training beforehand and even then after that most were turned into withering husks. But the 1% that did succeed and remained unharmed were 'purified' being unseen in the warp and have 1 to 98 kill ratio against demons. Meaning they were pretty damn good at their task.
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In Chapter 13 of the Star Wars Clone Wars cartoon ( the original CN series not the later 3d animated one)shows Mace Windu fighting without his light saber against a multitude of super battle droids and he is shown multiple times to punch droids so hard that it penetrates the metal casing and reveals its wiring components as well as using the force to crush weapons arms, faces, etc. Not to mention fighting at hyper-speeds and deflecting torrents of blaster fire with little to no effort. In essence all of the feats that were posited earlier in in this thread condensed into one 5minute video
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Daemons have no minds to control. There is no biological organ sitting inside their skulls that controls their thoughts, dreams, desires and goals. There is simply the very fabric of their being, wholly alien and inimical to the plane of reality.
In Star Wars, one does not need to be from another dimension for Mind Trick to fail, just have suitably-different neural pathways from some undefined baseline norm. All Hutts are immune to Mind Trick (and nearly immune to blasters, as it so happens). All Toydarians are immune to it. The Killick are immune to it as well (though Joiners are not, simply highly resistant).
There are technological implants one can get that makes one resistant, if not outright immune, to Mind Trick and other mind-affecting Force powers.
What if Jedi are actually using the Warp to fuel their abilities, and don't realize it - Sith are those who have been possessed by Daemons?
There's actually not much difference between a Sith and a Jedi. Their personal views of the Force aside, Sith tend to view their world as much smaller than that of a Jedi. A Sith does what he/she does for their own goals, gains and personal advancement, perhaps including their closest allies and the like, while the Jedi acts for the good of the galaxy.
This view, however, has caused the Jedi to turn a blind eye on some pretty horrific atrocities over the years, such as the genocide of the Cathar by the Mandalorians, the rise of Darth Sidious, the creation (before their very eyes and under their very noses) of Darth Vader, and so on.
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Psienesis - Hutts aren't immune to blasters - they are however resistant (at least according to the Han Solo Trilogy). Vital organs are so far buried underneath fat, that a Hutt will (usually) have ample time to crush you before you hit anything important.
Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: As far as whether or not Jedi are physically stronger through use of the force.
In Chapter 13 of the Star Wars Clone Wars cartoon ( the original CN series not the later 3d animated one)shows Mace Windu fighting without his light saber against a multitude of super battle droids and he is shown multiple times to punch droids so hard that it penetrates the metal casing and reveals its wiring components as well as using the force to crush weapons arms, faces, etc. Not to mention fighting at hyper-speeds and deflecting torrents of blaster fire with little to no effort. In essence all of the feats that were posited earlier in in this thread condensed into one 5minute video
Yeah I don't think that is canon anymore though as the 3d show sort of replaced it. Apart from the grevious episodes apparently.
It sucks but it isn't I actuallly prefer but it is no longer canon. That was before the new current stuff that is going on.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: As far as whether or not Jedi are physically stronger through use of the force.
In Chapter 13 of the Star Wars Clone Wars cartoon ( the original CN series not the later 3d animated one)shows Mace Windu fighting without his light saber against a multitude of super battle droids and he is shown multiple times to punch droids so hard that it penetrates the metal casing and reveals its wiring components as well as using the force to crush weapons arms, faces, etc. Not to mention fighting at hyper-speeds and deflecting torrents of blaster fire with little to no effort. In essence all of the feats that were posited earlier in in this thread condensed into one 5minute video
Yeah I don't think that is canon anymore though as the 3d show sort of replaced it. Apart from the grevious episodes apparently.
It sucks but it isn't I actuallly prefer but it is no longer canon. That was before the new current stuff that is going on.
Actually that's quite sad. That cartoon series was probably my favorite part of the prequel era. To hear that its been retconned out is a bit of a nostalgia killer.
But yeah that was the video I was speaking of.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: As far as whether or not Jedi are physically stronger through use of the force.
In Chapter 13 of the Star Wars Clone Wars cartoon ( the original CN series not the later 3d animated one)shows Mace Windu fighting without his light saber against a multitude of super battle droids and he is shown multiple times to punch droids so hard that it penetrates the metal casing and reveals its wiring components as well as using the force to crush weapons arms, faces, etc. Not to mention fighting at hyper-speeds and deflecting torrents of blaster fire with little to no effort. In essence all of the feats that were posited earlier in in this thread condensed into one 5minute video
Yeah I don't think that is canon anymore though as the 3d show sort of replaced it. Apart from the grevious episodes apparently.
It sucks but it isn't I actuallly prefer but it is no longer canon. That was before the new current stuff that is going on.
Actually that's quite sad. That cartoon series was probably my favorite part of the prequel era. To hear that its been retconned out is a bit of a nostalgia killer.
But yeah that was the video I was speaking of.
Yeah the CGI was really bad but Starwars has canon levels, and sadly the cartoon was retconned out and replaced by the CGI Star Wars Clone Wars. *sigh*
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Automatically Appended Next Post: As far as whether or not Jedi are physically stronger through use of the force.
In Chapter 13 of the Star Wars Clone Wars cartoon ( the original CN series not the later 3d animated one)shows Mace Windu fighting without his light saber against a multitude of super battle droids and he is shown multiple times to punch droids so hard that it penetrates the metal casing and reveals its wiring components as well as using the force to crush weapons arms, faces, etc. Not to mention fighting at hyper-speeds and deflecting torrents of blaster fire with little to no effort. In essence all of the feats that were posited earlier in in this thread condensed into one 5minute video
Yeah I don't think that is canon anymore though as the 3d show sort of replaced it. Apart from the grevious episodes apparently.
It sucks but it isn't I actuallly prefer but it is no longer canon. That was before the new current stuff that is going on.
Now I want to go watch some Samurai Jack. The same art studio did both.
But yeah, I think most of us see this when we think of Jedi.
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It certainly is what I think of when I think of Jedi.
Too bad they changed it. Are they still capable of the same feats by modern lore?
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My Star Wars Imperial Codex Project: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/641831.page It has 7 HQs, 2 Troop types with Dedicated Transports, 5 Elite units, 5 Fast Attack units, 6 Heavy Support units, 2 Formations with unique units not in the rest of the codex, and 2 LOW choices.
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40IK - PP Conversion Project Files
