Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ

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**Jihadin**

DALLAS (AP) — Multiple gunmen toting automatic weapons opened fire on officers outside Dallas Police headquarters early Saturday morning, before one man fled the scene being chased by police in what witnesses described as an armored van, according to Dallas Police Chief David Brown.

Police said conflicting witness accounts made it difficult to immediately determine how many shooters were involved and authorities were trying to determine a motive. No injuries were reported.

Brown said during a news conference that the shootout began about 12:30 a.m. Saturday, when the suspects parked in front of the building located south of downtown and began firing. He said at least one of the suspects fled the scene in a van that rammed a police cruiser before leading police on a chase that ended in an ongoing standoff at parking lot in the nearby suburb of Hutchins, where additional gunfire was exchanged.

Brown said the suspect driving the van has told officers that he blames police for losing custody of his son and "accusing him of being a terrorist." The gunman also said he had explosives in the van, which appeared to be outfitted with gun ports in the sides.

Brown said negotiations with that suspect and the SWAT unit are ongoing.

Brown said, based on witness accounts, as many as four suspects may have been involved in the original shooting, including some who may have been strategically positioned at elevated positions. Police could not immediately confirm how many shooters were involved and where any additional suspects may be located.

Meanwhile, police said they also found two explosive devices near police headquarters, but all suspected packages have been cleared. Nearby residents were evacuated as a precaution.

Ladarrick Alexander and his fiancée, Laquita Davis, were driving back toward the police station to their nearby apartment when they heard 15 to 20 gunshots in quick succession.

Seconds later, police could be seen swarming an unmarked van that appeared to have crashed into a police car, they said.

They turned around and were parked outside the police perimeter about two blocks away, where they heard the sound of one detonation at about 4:30 am and smoke coming up in the air.

Police headquarters is in a former warehouse district where a boutique hotel and several new apartment buildings have been opened.

"We don't see too much going around here at all," Alexander said.

Its getting a little out of hand on LEO attacks

**Josey4u**

Mr Oboma and the late attorney general have passed off the notion its ok to do that now. lets see what people think when their police force stops answering calls

**-Shrike-**

Well, gakky situation, but at least nobody has been hurt. Let's hope it stays that way.

**LordofHats**

Yeah... Cause no one has ever shot at a police station before amiright?

Does everything really need to be a whine fest?

**Relapse**

The situation seems strange indeed. Look for a movie based on it within 6 months.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Relapse wrote:
The situation seems strange indeed. Look for a movie based on it within 6 months.

6 months? We've had that film for about 40 years. It's called assault on precinct 13

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Anyway, never a dull moment in Texas.

**Dreadclaw69**

I think that the most unique fact about this case is the use of an armoured van by the attacker

**Relapse**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Relapse wrote:
The situation seems strange indeed. Look for a movie based on it within 6 months.

6 months? We've had that film for about 40 years. It's called assault on precinct 13

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Anyway, never a dull moment in Texas.

True. But when did that ever stop a reboot or three?

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Relapse wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Relapse wrote:
The situation seems strange indeed. Look for a movie based on it within 6 months.

6 months? We've had that film for about 40 years. It's called assault on precinct 13

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Anyway, never a dull moment in Texas.

True. But when did that ever stop a reboot or three?

Have you ever seen Swarm? A film about killer bees attacking Houston

Michael Caine's in it, and for my money, it's probably the best film I've seen featuring Texas

**Relapse**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Relapse wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Relapse wrote:
The situation seems strange indeed. Look for a movie based on it within 6 months.

6 months? We've had that film for about 40 years. It's called assault on precinct 13

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Anyway, never a dull moment in Texas.

True. But when did that ever stop a reboot or three?

Have you ever seen Swarm? A film about killer bees attacking Houston

Michael Caine's in it, and for my money, it's probably the best film I've seen featuring Texas

There was a comedian commenting on how Michael Caine is in everything. He said he was looking at his wedding and vacation videos and spotted Michael Caine in them!

**Jihadin**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Relapse wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Relapse wrote:
The situation seems strange indeed. Look for a movie based on it within 6 months.

6 months? We've had that film for about 40 years. It's called assault on precinct 13

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Anyway, never a dull moment in Texas.

True. But when did that ever stop a reboot or three?

Have you ever seen Swarm? A film about killer bees attacking Houston

Michael Caine's in it, and for my money, it's probably the best film I've seen featuring Texas

First Rambo movie

**Dreadwinter**

Josey4u wrote:
Mr Oboma and the late attorney general have passed off the notion its ok to do that now. lets see what people think when their police force stops answering calls

When did they do that?

**Ahtman**

Jihadin wrote:
First Rambo movie

They filmed that in Canada and it was supposed to be Washington state. How are we getting Texas out of that?

**Dreadclaw69**

And a CNN anchor suffers horrendous foot in mouth disease while talking about the gunman

**Jihadin**

Ahtman wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
First Rambo movie

They filmed that in Canada and it was supposed to be Washington state. How are we getting Texas out of that?

Texas not all scrubs, desert, tank trails, tortoises, cactus, grumpy Frazz's and gun racks in back of trucks

Dreadclaw69 wrote:And a CNN anchor suffers horrendous foot in mouth disease while talking about the gunman

I've to call it creative (he did a uparmor), automatic weapon, and stupidity.

**Relapse**

Courageous and brave, eh? CNN again demonstrates why Fox News wipes the floor with them.

**AlmightyWalrus**

TBH he was courageous and brave. Those two adjectives are not mutually exclusive to "deluded", "crazy", "stupid", or "wrong". Just to Godwin the thread, loads of SS soldiers did really courageous things during WWII, that doesn't change the fact that they were among the most atrocious people of all time.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Brown said the suspect driving the van has told officers that he blames police for losing custody of his son and "accusing him of being a terrorist." The gunman also said he had explosives in the van, which appeared to be outfitted with gun ports in the sides.

Well, if he wasn't a terrorist before, he sure as feth is now.

**sebster**

Josey4u wrote:
Mr Oboma and the late attorney general have passed off the notion its ok to do that now. lets see what people think when their police force stops answering calls

Look, just no. I know it's easy and fun to find ways to make the politicians you don't like responsible for everything, but it's also really fething stupid.

Relapse wrote:
Courageous and brave, eh? CNN again demonstrates why Fox News wipes the floor with them.

In the same way that Transformers II wipes the floor with Battleship.

**Ghazkuul**

Just out of curiosity, this guy Shot at a police station, rammed a police car, threatened cops with automatic weapons and bombs and is currently holed up alone in a van in a parking lot, without any chance of civilian casualties. Is their a reason we can't hold a Texas trial ...by fire. and just blow the van up? I mean we can at least give him the option of getting out first but honestly I couldn't care less if this guy dies, call me a heartless, but eh don't really care.

**Dreadwinter**

Clearly this man is having some mental issues, but eh, just shoot him. Most places are cutting mental healthcare funding anyways. Helping people is for the weak!

**Grey Templar**

Perfectly sane people have done all manner of terrible things. And even then, just because someone is insane doesn't mean they shouldn't be countered with lethal force.

**BobtheInquisitor**

It might be good practice for the police to try some nonlethal methods first?

**sebster**

Ghazkuul wrote:
Just out of curiosity, this guy Shot at a police station, rammed a police car, threatened cops with automatic weapons and bombs and is currently holed up alone in a van in a parking lot, without any chance of civilian casualties. Is their a reason we can't hold a Texas trial ...by fire. and just blow the van up? I mean we can at least give him the option of getting out first but honestly I couldn't care less if this guy dies, call me a heartless, but eh don't really care.

I don’t much care if this guy dies, but I do care if we accept a police force that decides to kill people out of macho stupidity.

**Dreadclaw69**

Suspect dead;
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33124563

History of domestic abuse
Held a grudge against police
Lost custody of his son
Mother claims he was mentally ill

**Frazzled**

Ghazkuul wrote:
Just out of curiosity, this guy Shot at a police station, rammed a police car, threatened cops with automatic weapons and bombs and is currently holed up alone in a van in a parking lot, without any chance of civilian casualties. Is their a reason we can't hold a Texas trial ...by fire. and just blow the van up? I mean we can at least give him the option of getting out first but honestly I couldn't care less if this guy dies, call me a heartless, but eh don't really care.

semi auto fire. Listen to the tape. Its semi.

Well looks like a sniper popped him. Alls well that ends well.

The interview with the dad is...wow.

Check this out. Listen carefully and count the number of times "wow this dad is crazier than a gak rat" should be applied.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/14/us/dallas-police-headquarters-shooting/

**Jihadin**

The "armored" van seems to have been previously owned by said PD. LOE department did not uparmor the van at all the shooter did it himself

**Grey Templar**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
It might be good practice for the police to try some nonlethal methods first?

What non-lethal methods would you recommend for someone who is actively shooting at you?

Thats right, there are none. So unless the suspect suddenly decides to surrender you have no options other than returning fire. It keeps the most people safe.

**kronk**

Grey Templar wrote:
BobtheInquisitor wrote:
It might be good practice for the police to try some nonlethal methods first?

What non-lethal methods would you recommend for someone who is actively shooting at you?

Thats right, there are none. So unless the suspect suddenly decides to surrender you have no options other than returning fire. It keeps the most people safe.

Hug it out, guys!

**Ghazkuul**

Grey Templar wrote:
BobtheInquisitor wrote:
It might be good practice for the police to try some nonlethal methods first?

What non-lethal methods would you recommend for someone who is actively shooting at you?

Thats right, there are none. So unless the suspect suddenly decides to surrender you have no options other than returning fire. It keeps the most people safe.

exalted for being one of the few people who realize that it is not the job of the police to save the lives of the people actively attempting to Kill them.