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2015/06/16 14:23:34
Subject: Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ
BobtheInquisitor wrote: It might be good practice for the police to try some nonlethal methods first?
What non-lethal methods would you recommend for someone who is actively shooting at you?
Thats right, there are none. So unless the suspect suddenly decides to surrender you have no options other than returning fire. It keeps the most people safe.
exalted for being one of the few people who realize that it is not the job of the police to save the lives of the people actively attempting to Kill them.
It is, though, so I'm not sure why you'd claim otherwise. Sure, if there's no option then take him out, but when all you have is a hammer... Considering the discrepancy between the US number of people shot by cops per capita and the rest of the "West", calling the US police trigger-happy is generous at best.
It is not the job of the police to try and save a gunmans life when he is actively shooting at a cop or civilian, it is his job to protect civilians. As for the death count, I agree it is to high, but we as a country also face a very unique problem that few other countries have. We are an amalgamation of races, ethnic groups and religions, tension can be high at times and add to that our wonderful border with Mexico which sees running gun battles from time to time and the picture becomes a bit clearer.
If your going off the recent media trend to show every single black person killed by police then I would ask you to read the actual reports of those incidents, so far I think two or three of the 10-15 published nationally so far has shown the police being found guilty of foul play. (which btw I think is 2-3 to many)
I was actually going to put in a snide remark about how the likely response was going to be "but America's special!", but decided I'd give you the benefit of the doubt. I see now that doing so was an error.
The gunman is part of the public (I'll not go into why categorizing the public as "civilians" is part of the problem, that'd take way too long) that the police is supposed to protect. It becomes a situation where the protection of the greater public outweighs the responsibility to protect the individual, but at no point in this example does the responsibility of the police to protect end.
The police should make every effort to save the persons life but not at the risk of their own. You don't join the police force with the intent to die trying to save a gunmans life
As far as your "Snide" remark about America being special. Sweden has a population of around 9million, of which 87% is the same religion and I would venture that somewhere around 95% of the country (if not more) is white. Your racial diversity is you have some finns living their as well. Sweden as a country literally knows nothing about racial, ethnic or religious tensions.
What of Germany? The UK? France?
Then again, considering you clearly know feth-all about Sweden, I doubt this is going anywhere anytime soon.
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2015/06/16 14:32:19
Subject: Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ
BobtheInquisitor wrote: It might be good practice for the police to try some nonlethal methods first?
What non-lethal methods would you recommend for someone who is actively shooting at you?
Thats right, there are none. So unless the suspect suddenly decides to surrender you have no options other than returning fire. It keeps the most people safe.
exalted for being one of the few people who realize that it is not the job of the police to save the lives of the people actively attempting to Kill them.
It is, though, so I'm not sure why you'd claim otherwise. Sure, if there's no option then take him out, but when all you have is a hammer... Considering the discrepancy between the US number of people shot by cops per capita and the rest of the "West", calling the US police trigger-happy is generous at best.
It is not the job of the police to try and save a gunmans life when he is actively shooting at a cop or civilian, it is his job to protect civilians. As for the death count, I agree it is to high, but we as a country also face a very unique problem that few other countries have. We are an amalgamation of races, ethnic groups and religions, tension can be high at times and add to that our wonderful border with Mexico which sees running gun battles from time to time and the picture becomes a bit clearer.
If your going off the recent media trend to show every single black person killed by police then I would ask you to read the actual reports of those incidents, so far I think two or three of the 10-15 published nationally so far has shown the police being found guilty of foul play. (which btw I think is 2-3 to many)
I was actually going to put in a snide remark about how the likely response was going to be "but America's special!", but decided I'd give you the benefit of the doubt. I see now that doing so was an error.
The gunman is part of the public (I'll not go into why categorizing the public as "civilians" is part of the problem, that'd take way too long) that the police is supposed to protect. It becomes a situation where the protection of the greater public outweighs the responsibility to protect the individual, but at no point in this example does the responsibility of the police to protect end.
The police should make every effort to save the persons life but not at the risk of their own. You don't join the police force with the intent to die trying to save a gunmans life
As far as your "Snide" remark about America being special. Sweden has a population of around 9million, of which 87% is the same religion and I would venture that somewhere around 95% of the country (if not more) is white. Your racial diversity is you have some finns living their as well. Sweden as a country literally knows nothing about racial, ethnic or religious tensions.
What of Germany? The UK? France?
Then again, considering you clearly know feth-all about Sweden, I doubt this is going anywhere anytime soon.
I was going to write something about tensions in the UK and how that doesn't result in quite as many people dying, but you beat me to it.
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2015/06/16 14:43:14
Subject: Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ
Hello! I work with the mentall ill(people are probably tired of hearing about that) and did you know, if one of them attacks me with a deadly weapon, if I inflict more harm on them than is required for me to get away safely, I can still be charged and end up in prison? Why are cops special but I am not?
We should all get to beat the gak out of the mentally ill! Or let them fight each other on TV!
Oh, we already have the MMA. Nevermind...
They tried that once. Hobo Fights or something like that?
2015/06/16 14:52:33
Subject: Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ
BobtheInquisitor wrote: It might be good practice for the police to try some nonlethal methods first?
What non-lethal methods would you recommend for someone who is actively shooting at you?
Thats right, there are none. So unless the suspect suddenly decides to surrender you have no options other than returning fire. It keeps the most people safe.
exalted for being one of the few people who realize that it is not the job of the police to save the lives of the people actively attempting to Kill them.
It is, though, so I'm not sure why you'd claim otherwise. Sure, if there's no option then take him out, but when all you have is a hammer... Considering the discrepancy between the US number of people shot by cops per capita and the rest of the "West", calling the US police trigger-happy is generous at best.
It is not the job of the police to try and save a gunmans life when he is actively shooting at a cop or civilian, it is his job to protect civilians. As for the death count, I agree it is to high, but we as a country also face a very unique problem that few other countries have. We are an amalgamation of races, ethnic groups and religions, tension can be high at times and add to that our wonderful border with Mexico which sees running gun battles from time to time and the picture becomes a bit clearer.
If your going off the recent media trend to show every single black person killed by police then I would ask you to read the actual reports of those incidents, so far I think two or three of the 10-15 published nationally so far has shown the police being found guilty of foul play. (which btw I think is 2-3 to many)
Hello! I work with the mentall ill(people are probably tired of hearing about that) and did you know, if one of them attacks me with a deadly weapon, if I inflict more harm on them than is required for me to get away safely, I can still be charged and end up in prison? Why are cops special but I am not?
I don't know why. Mentally ill people shouldn't receive any special protection if they're trying to hurt you.
If you are attacked, you should always be allowed to do whatever is necessary to protect yourself, including lethal force. Doesn't matter if your attacker is hopped up on drugs, crazy, or just evil.
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BobtheInquisitor wrote: It might be good practice for the police to try some nonlethal methods first?
What non-lethal methods would you recommend for someone who is actively shooting at you?
Thats right, there are none. So unless the suspect suddenly decides to surrender you have no options other than returning fire. It keeps the most people safe.
exalted for being one of the few people who realize that it is not the job of the police to save the lives of the people actively attempting to Kill them.
It is, though, so I'm not sure why you'd claim otherwise. Sure, if there's no option then take him out, but when all you have is a hammer... Considering the discrepancy between the US number of people shot by cops per capita and the rest of the "West", calling the US police trigger-happy is generous at best.
It is not the job of the police to try and save a gunmans life when he is actively shooting at a cop or civilian, it is his job to protect civilians. As for the death count, I agree it is to high, but we as a country also face a very unique problem that few other countries have. We are an amalgamation of races, ethnic groups and religions, tension can be high at times and add to that our wonderful border with Mexico which sees running gun battles from time to time and the picture becomes a bit clearer.
If your going off the recent media trend to show every single black person killed by police then I would ask you to read the actual reports of those incidents, so far I think two or three of the 10-15 published nationally so far has shown the police being found guilty of foul play. (which btw I think is 2-3 to many)
Hello! I work with the mentall ill(people are probably tired of hearing about that) and did you know, if one of them attacks me with a deadly weapon, if I inflict more harm on them than is required for me to get away safely, I can still be charged and end up in prison? Why are cops special but I am not?
I don't know why. Mentally ill people shouldn't receive any special protection if they're trying to hurt you.
If you are attacked, you should always be allowed to do whatever is necessary to protect yourself, including lethal force. Doesn't matter if your attacker is hopped up on drugs, crazy, or just evil.
Why should the mentally ill not receive special protection? These are sick people. They have issues and sometimes they cannot control themselves. It is not their fault they were born this way.
2015/06/16 15:45:41
Subject: Re:Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ
NuggzTheNinja wrote: Don't really have a huge problem with the way this particular incident was handled, but Kan, don't sweat it, the cops do such a fabulous job of screwing things up on a regular basis that there's no shortage of ammunition available for you to make your point.
And that's one of the biggest reasons why I opted out of going into law enforcement at this point in time, sadly.
Honestly it's for the best...it's a career for guys who got Cs in high school and played it straight enough to pass the background check. You seem better than that.
Asinine remark if I've ever heard one. I'm not going to argue with you because you obviously are slanted and butt hurt in some way or another about police in any nation. Half of my force is OIF, OEF vets who do it because its an honorable job, and get to people when they most need help.
This would be the part where you say I'm slanted in my views because I'm obviously a Jack booted thug / Gestapo, probably pull some poll or statistic out of somehwhere trying to point something out, and maybe say something to the point I wouldn't understand it with my supposed C grades.
I'll leave this here:
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2015/06/16 15:50:22
Subject: Re:Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ
During the time of attack when one's life is in danger then its anything goes regardless on the individuals mentality. He who laughs last wins
Afterwards the individual who's mentality is in question can be handle in that special way if he/she survives the escalation of deadly force
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2015/06/16 15:58:35
Subject: Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ
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Look at it this way. If a dog keeps attacking people, itgets put down. Even if its been a abused to where it doesn't know any better.
Just because someone is crazy doesn't mean its not OK to defend yourself if they attack you. Their state of mind should have no bearing on how you defend yourself. Only once danger has passed and treatment is an option should it be considered. A person with a knife is equally dangerous, and I wouldn't hesitate to kill them if necessary. It wouldn't, and shouldn't, matter if he had Down Syndrome or something.
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When your life goes on the line and the individual has the capability of opting you out. You either step up to the plate and remove the threat (if you cannot get away) or prepare to go forward into the next.
As for the the active shooter in the PD Pray and Spray there were to many unknowns involving the van being no one knew what was in the van. All they can see is the modification done to the van but that outside only.
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2015/06/16 16:22:50
Subject: Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ
Well, first off Down Syndrome is not a mental illness, it is a mental disability.
Second, if you guys truly believe that, could you get in touch with your senators and congressmen and push for more rights for healthcare workers to defend themselves? Otherwise, everything you said about what we can do to protect ourselves is wrong. In no situation can we kill a client/patient that is trying to kill us.
2015/06/16 16:24:49
Subject: Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ
Dreadwinter wrote: Well, first off Down Syndrome is not a mental illness, it is a mental disability.
Second, if you guys truly believe that, could you get in touch with your senators and congressmen and push for more rights for healthcare workers to defend themselves? Otherwise, everything you said about what we can do to protect ourselves is wrong. In no situation can we kill a client/patient that is trying to kill us.
Shouldn't you be in a position where its not possible for your patients to be able to kill you besides bear hands.?
Dreadwinter wrote: Well, first off Down Syndrome is not a mental illness, it is a mental disability.
Second, if you guys truly believe that, could you get in touch with your senators and congressmen and push for more rights for healthcare workers to defend themselves? Otherwise, everything you said about what we can do to protect ourselves is wrong. In no situation can we kill a client/patient that is trying to kill us.
Shouldn't you be in a position where its not possible for your patients to be able to kill you besides bear hands.?
No? I work in a home that rehabilitates the mentally ill back in to the community. We teach life skills like cooking. Ever tried to cook without a knife?
2015/06/16 16:28:40
Subject: Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ
Dreadwinter wrote: Well, first off Down Syndrome is not a mental illness, it is a mental disability.
Second, if you guys truly believe that, could you get in touch with your senators and congressmen and push for more rights for healthcare workers to defend themselves? Otherwise, everything you said about what we can do to protect ourselves is wrong. In no situation can we kill a client/patient that is trying to kill us.
Shouldn't you be in a position where its not possible for your patients to be able to kill you besides bear hands.?
No? I work in a home that rehabilitates the mentally ill back in to the community. We teach life skills like cooking. Ever tried to cook without a knife?
Well if that be what you are doing then good luck.
Dreadwinter wrote: Thanks! That is the highest level of support I have received on the subject. Most people just laugh and tell me I am stupid for even trying to help.
To be fair a friend of mine works with mental youth and they are trained to deal with it a bit. he still comes out with scratches and bite marks.
Dreadwinter wrote: Well, first off Down Syndrome is not a mental illness, it is a mental disability.
Second, if you guys truly believe that, could you get in touch with your senators and congressmen and push for more rights for healthcare workers to defend themselves? Otherwise, everything you said about what we can do to protect ourselves is wrong. In no situation can we kill a client/patient that is trying to kill us.
Shouldn't you be in a position where its not possible for your patients to be able to kill you besides bear hands.?
sorry... couldn't resist
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2015/06/16 16:36:32
Subject: Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ
Why should the mentally ill not receive special protection? These are sick people. They have issues and sometimes they cannot control themselves. It is not their fault they were born this way.
That only matters if you ahve volunteered to work with them. Otherwise to me and my family they are as much a threat as anyone else.
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2015/06/16 16:36:46
Subject: Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ
Dreadwinter wrote: Thanks! That is the highest level of support I have received on the subject. Most people just laugh and tell me I am stupid for even trying to help.
To be fair a friend of mine works with mental youth and they are trained to deal with it a bit. he still comes out with scratches and bite marks.
That is not shocking at all. I work with older people, 18+, and many of them are still going to court for violent offenses. It is always nice taking a person to court for assault and battery and their explanation of why they did it was "they looked at me funny"
2015/06/16 16:38:20
Subject: Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ
Dreadwinter wrote: Well, first off Down Syndrome is not a mental illness, it is a mental disability.
Second, if you guys truly believe that, could you get in touch with your senators and congressmen and push for more rights for healthcare workers to defend themselves? Otherwise, everything you said about what we can do to protect ourselves is wrong. In no situation can we kill a client/patient that is trying to kill us.
Shouldn't you be in a position where its not possible for your patients to be able to kill you besides bear hands.?
No? I work in a home that rehabilitates the mentally ill back in to the community. We teach life skills like cooking. Ever tried to cook without a knife?
Then quit. You volunteered to work with them. Thats on you.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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2015/06/16 16:39:10
Subject: Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ
Dreadwinter wrote: Well, first off Down Syndrome is not a mental illness, it is a mental disability.
Second, if you guys truly believe that, could you get in touch with your senators and congressmen and push for more rights for healthcare workers to defend themselves? Otherwise, everything you said about what we can do to protect ourselves is wrong. In no situation can we kill a client/patient that is trying to kill us.
Shouldn't you be in a position where its not possible for your patients to be able to kill you besides bear hands.?
No? I work in a home that rehabilitates the mentally ill back in to the community. We teach life skills like cooking. Ever tried to cook without a knife?
I was involved in a situation very similar to yours, individual had severe Autism and had been released to his family unit again, while there he tried to gouge out the eyes of a Mental health worker, and then bit his mother.
By the time I got there he barricaded himself in his room, me and a partner kicked the door down and had to pretty much wrestle this man (Who was displaying that special kind of strength, you know what I'm talking about ) using arm bars/twists, and application of knee strikes for distraction until I was able to get him into restraints.
I then transported him to a hospital for another mental evaluation, where he was then admitted to another hospital where he will once again get released to the public in about 6-8 weeks, and I'll probably end up dealing with him 3-4 weeks after that again.
I did not arrest his mother, or the social worker for defending themselves.
The state of the mental health system is very poor, which is in no way a reflection of the work you do, but more of a way the government and society look at it. Personally I am of the belief that some individuals can not be repaired. But without the re institution of mental hospitals, its becoming more and more a "Lets call the Police to fix this" which is not a police issue. Police are not psychiatrist, they make poor social workers, due highly in the fact Police do not have the time to stay and focus on an individual problem for long periods of time. There are shootings, stabbings, larcenies, car thefts, break ins, missing children/people calls that require police attention, and each of those is just as important as the next. (minus the "Someone stole a candy bar, get it back, but I don't want to go to court for it" larcenies)
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2015/06/16 16:41:46
Subject: Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ
Dreadwinter wrote: Well, first off Down Syndrome is not a mental illness, it is a mental disability.
Second, if you guys truly believe that, could you get in touch with your senators and congressmen and push for more rights for healthcare workers to defend themselves? Otherwise, everything you said about what we can do to protect ourselves is wrong. In no situation can we kill a client/patient that is trying to kill us.
Shouldn't you be in a position where its not possible for your patients to be able to kill you besides bear hands.?
No? I work in a home that rehabilitates the mentally ill back in to the community. We teach life skills like cooking. Ever tried to cook without a knife?
I was involved in a situation very similar to yours, individual had severe Autism and had been released to his family unit again, while there he tried to gouge out the eyes of a Mental health worker, and then bit his mother.
By the time I got there he barricaded himself in his room, me and a partner kicked the door down and had to pretty much wrestle this man (Who was displaying that special kind of strength, you know what I'm talking about ) using arm bars/twists, and application of knee strikes for distraction until I was able to get him into restraints.
I then transported him to a hospital for another mental evaluation, where he was then admitted to another hospital where he will once again get released to the public in about 6-8 weeks, and I'll probably end up dealing with him 3-4 weeks after that again.
I did not arrest his mother, or the social worker for defending themselves.
That is not your call. It will go to OIG now since the incident will have to be reported by the healthcare worker.
Dreadwinter wrote: Well, first off Down Syndrome is not a mental illness, it is a mental disability.
Second, if you guys truly believe that, could you get in touch with your senators and congressmen and push for more rights for healthcare workers to defend themselves? Otherwise, everything you said about what we can do to protect ourselves is wrong. In no situation can we kill a client/patient that is trying to kill us.
Shouldn't you be in a position where its not possible for your patients to be able to kill you besides bear hands.?
No? I work in a home that rehabilitates the mentally ill back in to the community. We teach life skills like cooking. Ever tried to cook without a knife?
Then quit. You volunteered to work with them. Thats on you.
Who will do it then? Somebody needs to help them, otherwise they will just end up in prison for something that can be helped or fixed.
What you are saying is that its my fault for getting hit and having nothing in place legally to protect me?
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2015/06/16 16:47:55
Subject: Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ
That is not your call. It will go to OIG now since the incident will have to be reported by the healthcare worker.
Sounds like a hostile work environment. Are you suggesting the police work in the same kind of enviroment. That would lead to:
"I'm sorry social worker, I would love to help, but I can't use force on the subject, otherwise I go to jail. Good luck getting him under control."
No, I am suggesting that laws need to be changed to bring everything to the same area. Why can a police officer defend himself but I cannot?
Example: If a person is on top of me choking me and I punch them in the face and they fall off, I cannot strike them again. I cannot even try to restrain them. I have to attempt to get away from them. They can just get up and try again and I can only defend myself to the point where I can get away from them. If it is a police officer in the situation, they are allowed to use lethal force.
2015/06/16 16:54:27
Subject: Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ
Who will do it then? Somebody needs to help them, otherwise they will just end up in prison for something that can be helped or fixed.
What you are saying is that its my fault for getting hit and having nothing in place legally to protect me?
Where I patrol, we don't take mental individuals to jail, unless they do something like stealing (which isn't up to me, its up to the victim if they want to pursue charges) or incidents of serious bodily harm (breaks someones arms, stabs someone, etc)
Most times involving mental patients result in me deciding whether or not he's a danger to himself, or others, and if its due to his disability. If so, such individuals are detained and taken to a hospital for an evaluation by a psychiatrists, who then decides whether or not to hold him for a longer period of time.
That is not your call. It will go to OIG now since the incident will have to be reported by the healthcare worker.
Sounds like a hostile work environment. Are you suggesting the police work in the same kind of enviroment. That would lead to:
"I'm sorry social worker, I would love to help, but I can't use force on the subject, otherwise I go to jail. Good luck getting him under control."
No, I am suggesting that laws need to be changed to bring everything to the same area. Why can a police officer defend himself but I cannot?
Example: If a person is on top of me choking me and I punch them in the face and they fall off, I cannot strike them again. I cannot even try to restrain them. I have to attempt to get away from them. They can just get up and try again and I can only defend myself to the point where I can get away from them. If it is a police officer in the situation, they are allowed to use lethal force.
Me and you are in agreement on this. There is no reason why you should be left defenseless in the face of a dangerous subject. That's just one more reason to believe the mental health system is broken in the US.
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2015/06/16 17:00:29
Subject: Re:Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ
NuggzTheNinja wrote: Don't really have a huge problem with the way this particular incident was handled, but Kan, don't sweat it, the cops do such a fabulous job of screwing things up on a regular basis that there's no shortage of ammunition available for you to make your point.
And that's one of the biggest reasons why I opted out of going into law enforcement at this point in time, sadly.
Honestly it's for the best...it's a career for guys who got Cs in high school and played it straight enough to pass the background check. You seem better than that.
So because a person chooses to go into law enforcement they must immediately be either average or below average intelligence......that is a great mindset to have. I guess everyone who joins the military just does it because they couldn't get into college or because that was the only job open to them to huh?
In the United States, Local Law Enforcement Agencies have an unofficial policy that discriminates against more intelligent applicants.
There was a Supreme Court Case over this issue, where an applicant to a Police Dept. was denied a job because (and this is what the Police Dept. SAID): "He was too smart/intelligent."
The Supreme Court ruled that Police Dept.s CAN DISCRIMINATE based upon Intelligence (specifically, HIGH intelligence).
This seems to be roughly opposite of the Federal Law Enforcement Hiring Practices, where they prefer to have hires be as intelligent as possible.
MB
2015/06/16 17:02:06
Subject: Suspects open fire on officers outside Dallas Police HQ
Why can a police officer defend himself but I cannot?
LEOs in America have done a fantastic job propagating the lie that they have the most dangerous job in the US. You tend to see people parroting phrases like, "If you haven't done that job, you don't understand." This kind of attitude abrogates the possibility of meaningful discourse. In reality, pizza delivery boys deserve more respect for doing a more dangerous job according to violent crime statistics, and law enforcement doesn't even rate in the top 10 for most dangerous in terms of death and injury.
In the United States, Local Law Enforcement Agencies have an unofficial policy that discriminates against more intelligent applicants.
There was a Supreme Court Case over this issue, where an applicant to a Police Dept. was denied a job because (and this is what the Police Dept. SAID): "He was too smart/intelligent."
The Supreme Court ruled that Police Dept.s CAN DISCRIMINATE based upon Intelligence (specifically, HIGH intelligence).
This seems to be roughly opposite of the Federal Law Enforcement Hiring Practices, where they prefer to have hires be as intelligent as possible.
MB
I do not know why they wouldn't hire for high Intelligence, but I will not refute that this did happen.
I will refute the part about ALL local law enforcement agencies have this policy. That's a very broad assertation.
Why can a police officer defend himself but I cannot?
LEOs in America have done a fantastic job propagating the lie that they have the most dangerous job in the US. You tend to see people parroting phrases like, "If you haven't done that job, you don't understand." This kind of attitude abrogates the possibility of meaningful discourse. In reality, pizza delivery boys deserve more respect for doing a more dangerous job according to violent crime statistics, and law enforcement doesn't even rate in the top 10 for most dangerous in terms of death and injury.
I wouldn't say that policing is the most dangerous job in the world, but it is still dangerous with the amount of violent calls that we respond to.
The saving grace is that most criminals realize that the police officer, unlike the poor pizza delivery driver, has a fire arm and is willing to defend himself, making him a poor victim, while the pizza driver is a more likely victim due to his vulnerability.
Saying my job isn't dangerous is almost the equivalent of saying that a fireman's job isn't dangerous, even though he runs into burning buildings.
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