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SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

I could make the same comment about alcohol since it kills more people a year in the U.S. than guns.

I have not seen any affiliation to a specific hate group (or groups), but it is still early in the investigation. I would think that the Social Media proficient media types would have grabbed onto any affiliations indicated (implicitly or explicitly ) if they had a shred of electronic evidence. Clearly the kid was a racist turd.

We'll see what the cops find out. I wouldn't expect them to release too much prior to trial though. What ever the media can get hold of will be what fuels the public reaction, we can just hope the fuel is at least somewhat accurate.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Obama can't really do anything to stop these sorts of shootings.

No one can, but we should all be tired of violence regardless of whether we are President or not. It just seems odd that if our choice is less people shooting other people and "the President can feth off" that people would choose the latter over the former as being better. It seems less like being upset at the shooting and more about hating the President, which is fairly sad.

I agree, I was more making the point that Obama is probably pretty frustrated that as the most powerful man in the world, he can do so little to change this. His speech makes that frustration clear, and I think discussing him other than that is a bit of a sideline.

Yep.

Sadly, the NRA has way more political clout than the freaking President of the United States thanks to their methods of fearmongering and the people that support the NRA vote with emotion rather than intelligence.

You got that backwards. Its gun control advocates who vote with emotion and not intelligence, since the facts don't support their views.

Yeah...it's really not.

Have gun control advocates gotten politicians removed from office for even PROPOSING less stringent measures?

No?

How about we say that both sides have groups that act stupidly and not use this tragedy as a piece of political leverage?

Relapse wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

I could make the same comment about alcohol since it kills more people a year in the U.S. than guns.

You forgot that "alcohol" by itself does not "kill more people a year in the U.S. than guns".

It's the irresponsible operation of motor vehicles coupled with alcohol which does so.

But you know this, as you continually bring this strawman into threads whenever someone even dares impinge upon your precious firearms.

 kronk wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
CNN and Austin news reporting he has been caught.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/18/us/charleston-south-carolina-shooting/index.html

Fox reporting he was caught in North Carolina

Dylann Roof, the 21-year-old suspect in the deadly shooting Wednesday night at a Charleston church that left nine people dead, was captured in Shelby, North Carolina, which is over 240 miles northwest from the crime scene, reports say.

Good catch by the police. That story reads like this guy is either part of a hate group or completely off his rocker. Either way, he's a jackass and I'm glad they caught him.

What a horrible thing to do to people and their families.

I'd proffer to be part of a hate group is to be off your rocker (unless you hate cats, in which its a sane group).

 Kanluwen wrote:

Relapse wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

I could make the same comment about alcohol since it kills more people a year in the U.S. than guns.

You forgot that "alcohol" by itself does not "kill more people a year in the U.S. than guns".

It's the irresponsible operation of motor vehicles coupled with alcohol which does so.

But you know this, as you continually bring this strawman into threads whenever someone even dares impinge upon your precious firearms.

As many people die because of drunk drivers as gun incidents. There are tens of thousands more who die because of other alcohol related incidents. Hardly the straw man you pretend it is, but real data.

 Alex C wrote:

Encouraging people to take responsibility for themselves and take measures to effectively defend themselves would be a good start.

Yeah, how DARE they get shot to death like that?!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Obama can't really do anything to stop these sorts of shootings.

No one can, but we should all be tired of violence regardless of whether we are President or not. It just seems odd that if our choice is less people shooting other people and "the President can feth off" that people would choose the latter over the former as being better. It seems less like being upset at the shooting and more about hating the President, which is fairly sad.

I agree, I was more making the point that Obama is probably pretty frustrated that as the most powerful man in the world, he can do so little to change this. His speech makes that frustration clear, and I think discussing him other than that is a bit of a sideline.

Yep.

Sadly, the NRA has way more political clout than the freaking President of the United States thanks to their methods of fearmongering and the people that support the NRA vote with emotion rather than intelligence.

You got that backwards. Its gun control advocates who vote with emotion and not intelligence, since the facts don't support their views.

Yeah...it's really not.

Have gun control advocates gotten politicians removed from office for even PROPOSING less stringent measures?

No?

Colorado

Edit
Might have misread

Relapse wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Relapse wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

I could make the same comment about alcohol since it kills more people a year in the U.S. than guns.

You forgot that "alcohol" by itself does not "kill more people a year in the U.S. than guns".

It's the irresponsible operation of motor vehicles coupled with alcohol which does so.

But you know this, as you continually bring this strawman into threads whenever someone even dares impinge upon your precious firearms.

As many people die because of drunk drivers as gun incidents. There are a few thousand more with other alcohol related incidents. Hardly the straw man you pretend it is, but real data.

Your statement was ALCOHOL.

Not "drunk drivers", not "traffic fatalities", not anything but ALCOHOL.

So yes, it is a strawman argument. To continually post that "alcohol kills more people a year in the U.S. than guns" is a strawman argument and I am bloody sick and tired of seeing it in any thread discussing any kind of high profile shooting. It should be on the flippin' Dakka Bingo Card by this point because it is as inevitable as someone Godwinning the flippin' thread.


And with that, I'm leaving this discussion. Glad he got caught and hope that he gets prosecuted to the full extent of the law; but I'm not getting involved in another of these circle jerks for gun nuts.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Relapse wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

I could make the same comment about alcohol since it kills more people a year in the U.S. than guns.

You forgot that "alcohol" by itself does not "kill more people a year in the U.S. than guns".

It's the irresponsible operation of motor vehicles coupled with alcohol which does so.

But you know this, as you continually bring this strawman into threads whenever someone even dares impinge upon your precious firearms.

It is not guns by themselves that kill people it is the irresponsible operation of guns coupled with morons that kills people

Your argument kanluwen is so full of holes it is ridiculous just drop it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Relapse wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

I could make the same comment about alcohol since it kills more people a year in the U.S. than guns.

You forgot that "alcohol" by itself does not "kill more people a year in the U.S. than guns".

It's the irresponsible operation of motor vehicles coupled with alcohol which does so.

But you know this, as you continually bring this strawman into threads whenever someone even dares impinge upon your precious firearms.

As many people die because of drunk drivers as gun incidents. There are a few thousand more with other alcohol related incidents. Hardly the straw man you pretend it is, but real data.

Your statement was ALCOHOL.

Not "drunk drivers", not "traffic fatalities", not anything but ALCOHOL.

So yes, it is a strawman argument. To continually post that "alcohol kills more people a year in the U.S. than guns" is a strawman argument and I am bloody sick and tired of seeing it in any thread discussing any kind of high profile shooting. It should be on the flippin' Dakka Bingo Card by this point because it is as inevitable as someone Godwinning the flippin' thread.


And with that, I'm leaving this discussion. Glad he got caught and hope that he gets prosecuted to the full extent of the law; but I'm not getting involved in another of these circle jerks for gun nuts.

Kind of went off the handle there didn't you sport.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Relapse wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

I could make the same comment about alcohol since it kills more people a year in the U.S. than guns.

You forgot that "alcohol" by itself does not "kill more people a year in the U.S. than guns".

It's the irresponsible operation of motor vehicles coupled with alcohol which does so.

But you know this, as you continually bring this strawman into threads whenever someone even dares impinge upon your precious firearms.

As many people die because of drunk drivers as gun incidents. There are a few thousand more with other alcohol related incidents. Hardly the straw man you pretend it is, but real data.

Your statement was ALCOHOL.

Not "drunk drivers", not "traffic fatalities", not anything but ALCOHOL.

So yes, it is a strawman argument. To continually post that "alcohol kills more people a year in the U.S. than guns" is a strawman argument and I am bloody sick and tired of seeing it in any thread discussing any kind of high profile shooting. It should be on the flippin' Dakka Bingo Card by this point because it is as inevitable as someone Godwinning the flippin' thread.


And with that, I'm leaving this discussion. Glad he got caught and hope that he gets prosecuted to the full extent of the law; but I'm not getting involved in another of these circle jerks for gun nuts.

Probably good because you don't have a clue what you're talking about and move the goalposts as a result.

Alcohol, donuts, guns, stampeding cows, and OJ Simpson all fething kill people. However, those discussion can be made elsewhere.

This thread is about the 9 poor bastards that got killed in a church by a sick-in-the-head donkey-cave.

 curran12 wrote:
How about we say that both sides have groups that act stupidly and not use this tragedy as a piece of political leverage?

Indeed....

For or against gun control really have no bearing in this discussion, unless you're advocating a total ban... which is a non-starter here in the states.

Here's the thing we should be talking about... We should NOT be glorifying the shooter (ala, Tsarnev)... I don't care about his beliefs. I don't care about the "bigger picture" because there is none.

Simply stated, there is evil in this world.

If shooting people as they prayed in their own church isn't evil, then when need to just pack it all in.

As a recent convert to being anti-death penalty, I find myself to seriously question my stance... as just like Tsarnev, death is the only fitting punishment for these atrocity.

All I want to hear about this guy is he's be found guilty and justice is served. No Rollingstones/TIMES front page article.

Just a cold, dank cell for him.

 kronk wrote:
Alcohol, donuts, guns, stampeding cows, and OJ Simpson all fething kill people. However, those discussion can be made elsewhere.

This thread is about the 9 poor bastards that got killed in a church by a sick-in-the-head donkey-cave.

True. My apologies.

 kronk wrote:
Alcohol, donuts, guns, stampeding cows, and OJ Simpson all fething kill people. However, those discussion can be made elsewhere.

This thread is about the 9 poor bastards that got killed in a church by a sick-in-the-head donkey-cave.

Agreed.

Any more word on the actual shooter at this point?

EDIT:
Yea, this is creepy. Was stalking a store. Got kicked out. Came back a month later and was arrested. Read the police report.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/18/415506320/what-we-know-so-far-about-accused-church-gunman-dylann-roof

Sounds like he may have not been able to buy a gun legally at this point due to prior convictions but I am not certain.

 Frazzled wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Alcohol, donuts, guns, stampeding cows, and OJ Simpson all fething kill people. However, those discussion can be made elsewhere.

This thread is about the 9 poor bastards that got killed in a church by a sick-in-the-head donkey-cave.

Agreed.

Any more word on the actual shooter at this point?

I suspect the NC LEOs are keeping him in a less than comfortable room while the SC prosecutors work up the extradition paperwork for the judge to sign. Hopefully this evening the SC troopers take custody and bring him back to SC for his arraignment.

kinda weird he didnt make a fight of it though isnt it?

I mean he just killed a church full of people...literally. He is going to face the death penalty or life in prison at the least, im surprised he didn't go out in a blaze of glory.

before haters attack my post though, im not advocating going out in a blaze of glory I am merely pointing out how perplexing it is that he didnt with the odds stacked against him in such a matter.

The trespassing conviction sounds like a misdemeanor, right?

The first time I heard about this I was shocked and saddened by this tragedy of it but I missed the description of who did it. The next time it was repeated on the radio, when they were about to describe the suspect, I remember thinking "Please don't be a white guy please don't be a white guy- Dammit."

This must be how American Muslims feel.

 Ghazkuul wrote:
kinda weird he didnt make a fight of it though isnt it?

I mean he just killed a church full of people...literally. He is going to face the death penalty or life in prison at the least, im surprised he didn't go out in a blaze of glory.

before haters attack my post though, im not advocating going out in a blaze of glory I am merely pointing out how perplexing it is that he didnt with the odds stacked against him in such a matter.

The gak bag who gunned down folks watching Batman in Colorado waited nicely for the cops too. Once the incident is over, perps like this don't always choose to fight it out. It is when they are interrupted during their act that they often put up enough of a fight to justify capping them.

 CptJake wrote:
The trespassing conviction sounds like a misdemeanor, right?

Looks like he got popped for drugs at the same time.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Relapse wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
This is why owning firearms should be illegal

I could make the same comment about alcohol since it kills more people a year in the U.S. than guns.

You forgot that "alcohol" by itself does not "kill more people a year in the U.S. than guns".

It's the irresponsible operation of motor vehicles coupled with alcohol which does so.

But you know this, as you continually bring this strawman into threads whenever someone even dares impinge upon your precious firearms.

ironic, considering you just used the "alcohol doesn't kill people, people who drink alcohol kill people" argument


but at least you used the word straw man in your argument, that makes it totally legit







lets try to keep OT




I really hope this is just some lone madman who will soon be caught, such a ridiculous tragedy.

Im glad we live in the most peaceful times ever and heinous acts like this are relatively rare, but I still cannot get how someone has enough hate in their heart to actually do something like this.

 Frazzled wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
The trespassing conviction sounds like a misdemeanor, right?

Looks like he got popped for drugs at the same time.

The trespassing arrest he was convicted for was trespassing way after the incident he got banned from the mall and caught with the drugs if I read the link right.

And I didn't see where he was convicted for the drug charge.

The reason I'm curious is Daddy gave him a .45 for his B-Day. If the conviction was a felony conviction that would indicate legal ramifications for Daddy. Poor judgement giving your kid with any arrest record a gun (I would not, and I have given guns as gifts).


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 easysauce wrote:

I really hope this is just some lone madman who will soon be caught, such a ridiculous tragedy.

You're a bit late...

 CptJake wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
The trespassing conviction sounds like a misdemeanor, right?

Looks like he got popped for drugs at the same time.

The trespassing arrest he was convicted for was trespassing way after the incident he got banned from the mall and caught with the drugs if I read the link right.

And I didn't see where he was convicted for the drug charge.

The reason I'm curious is Daddy gave him a .45 for his B-Day. If the conviction was a felony conviction that would indicate legal ramifications for Daddy. Poor judgement giving your kid with any arrest record a gun (I would not, and I have given guns as gifts).


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 easysauce wrote:

I really hope this is just some lone madman who will soon be caught, such a ridiculous tragedy.

You're a bit late...

I would say so, glad they caught him though.


IM a bit upset that yet another repeat offender was allowed to repeatedly offend though.

 CptJake wrote:


The reason I'm curious is Daddy gave him a .45 for his B-Day. If the conviction was a felony conviction that would indicate legal ramifications for Daddy. Poor judgement giving your kid with any arrest record a gun (I would not, and I have given guns as gifts).

Agreed.

 CptJake wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
The trespassing conviction sounds like a misdemeanor, right?

Looks like he got popped for drugs at the same time.

The trespassing arrest he was convicted for was trespassing way after the incident he got banned from the mall and caught with the drugs if I read the link right.

And I didn't see where he was convicted for the drug charge.

The reason I'm curious is Daddy gave him a .45 for his B-Day. If the conviction was a felony conviction that would indicate legal ramifications for Daddy. Poor judgement giving your kid with any arrest record a gun (I would not, and I have given guns as gifts).


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 easysauce wrote:

I really hope this is just some lone madman who will soon be caught, such a ridiculous tragedy.

You're a bit late...

It's entirely possible that if he'd moved away from family, he could have hidden the arrest from them.

Yes indeed. Difficult to ferret out and I don't know SC's laws on handguns.

Report is creepy as hell though.

 -Shrike- wrote:

It's entirely possible that if he'd moved away from family, he could have hidden the arrest from them.

Someone bailed him out and paid his legal fees. At his age, as a jobless youth, that tends to be family.