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So Sisters of Battle are banned...

That actually sounds very strange, and doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

On a sidenote, what was wrong with the opening post that needed to be edited?

The OP made a somewhat questionable simile that included a racial slur against those of middle eastern decent, typically used in reference to those of the Islamic faith.

That bit was edited out of the OP, but another poster quoted the OP in its entirety pre-edit, and as of this post that quote is still in-tact.

Not judging the OP, or MODs for doing their job either. The original simile got an eyebrow raise from me I'll admit, and I'm not surprised it was edited.

Rule #1 folks. Rule #1.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

I have a 2k LoTD army, if he told me I wasn't allowed to use the codex because it's electronic (and presumably because he couldn't sell it to me). I'd leave and take my hobby money elsewhere.

If there is any other option, I'd vote with my wallet and tell this guy to vacate the premises in order to fornicate with himself.

As a sisters player, who often uses an inquisitor, I find this once in a while when traveling and looking for an out of town game. Silly.

I have offered to update my sisters dex on the spot for the store manager. Didnt help.

One of my local stores allows a club to host tourneys there. The originally had this same policy. I rented two tables in the middle of the store. Pushed them together and played apoc sisters vs daemons right through the tourney. It got the point across.

 dracpanzer wrote:
As a sisters player, who often uses an inquisitor, I find this once in a while when traveling and looking for an out of town game. Silly.

I have offered to update my sisters dex on the spot for the store manager. Didnt help.

One of my local stores allows a club to host tourneys there. The originally had this same policy. I rented two tables in the middle of the store. Pushed them together and played apoc sisters vs daemons right through the tourney. It got the point across.

As a sisters player... I don't know what point that is supposed to get across ._. That you have a lot of Sisters models?

 Purifier wrote:

 dracpanzer wrote:
As a sisters player, who often uses an inquisitor, I find this once in a while when traveling and looking for an out of town game. Silly.

I have offered to update my sisters dex on the spot for the store manager. Didnt help.

One of my local stores allows a club to host tourneys there. The originally had this same policy. I rented two tables in the middle of the store. Pushed them together and played apoc sisters vs daemons right through the tourney. It got the point across.

As a sisters player... I don't know what point that is supposed to get across ._. That you have a lot of Sisters models?

Probably that an Apocalypse army of SoB has a lot of expensive models, and anyone who can afford that many models would probably be willing to spend money at the local store.

 redleger wrote:
OK, so my question is answered. This is not normal practice.

I wouldn't say it's not normal for a FLGS to come up with house rules, though it is odd that this guy is cool with Forgeworld yet has it out for digital content. Either way, it's more than likely that this houserule was created back when we saw the first few formations (the Tau one that seemed super OP at the time as well as the tyranid ones (skyblight in particular)), as well as Belakor, etc. People were most likely freaking out because Tau were already considered top tier and got a huge boost without paying for it, and they figured "screw this digital crap." Made total sense (kinda) because only a few armies got a shot in the arm...initially...

What they need to realize is that now, almost all of the playable armies can and do benefit from all sorts of "other" content. Everything is getting closer to being balanced because of the non-codex materials.

Were I you, I'd see if there are any other players that would like to play the way you'd like to play and, when playing each other, use whatever sources you'd like. What's the FLGS owner going to do? Kick you out for playing the way you both want to play? Maybe a few people, one game at a time, can introduce modern 40k to those who are still resistant and break down these hard to overcome, self imposed barriers.

Funny. Did they know that Dark Vengeance contains a dataslate? Vrosh

 Red__Thirst wrote:
The OP made a somewhat questionable simile that included a racial slur against those of middle eastern decent, typically used in reference to those of the Islamic faith.

That bit was edited out of the OP, but another poster quoted the OP in its entirety pre-edit, and as of this post that quote is still in-tact.

Not judging the OP, or MODs for doing their job either. The original simile got an eyebrow raise from me I'll admit, and I'm not surprised it was edited.

Rule #1 folks. Rule #1.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

I apologize if I hurt your feelings or to anyone else who may have gotten upset over my normal use of a simile in my current environment. I sometimes forget my audience.

 -Shrike- wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

As a sisters player... I don't know what point that is supposed to get across ._. That you have a lot of Sisters models?

Probably that an Apocalypse army of SoB has a lot of expensive models, and anyone who can afford that many models would probably be willing to spend money at the local store.

Exactly that, though the point that 40k could be played on the premises without being involved with their rule that digital dex/dataslates were not allowed in their events is what I was going for.

In my opinion the position they held that i could have hacked the file was invalid the moment I offered to download the file on the spot.

The store policy is ridiculous and is an example of a small business thinking they're helping themselves when they're really just hurting their bottom line.

Probably off topic, but in FLGS were a lot of people have digital codex, how do the owners check if what people have is actual stuff bought from GW and not downloaded stuff?

Makumba wrote:
Probably off topic, but in FLGS were a lot of people have digital codex, how do the owners check if what people have is actual stuff bought from GW and not downloaded stuff?

There is no real way without being intrusive.

easy way is just ask for the black library email receipt. Or log into black library under your account under your downloads to see whats available.

not sure of Eye devices.

Makumba wrote:
Probably off topic, but in FLGS were a lot of people have digital codex, how do the owners check if what people have is actual stuff bought from GW and not downloaded stuff?

Excellent question. Personally, I buy something at the store every time I use their space, because I want my FLGS to be there for me and my community. Whether or not I we a digital download has no baring on what I spend at the store.

SJ

 Desubot wrote:

Makumba wrote:
Probably off topic, but in FLGS were a lot of people have digital codex, how do the owners check if what people have is actual stuff bought from GW and not downloaded stuff?

There is no real way without being intrusive.

easy way is just ask for the black library email receipt. Or log into black library under your account under your downloads to see whats available.

not sure of Eye devices.

So there is no real way to check it then. I kind of understand why the shop owner may not like digital stuff then.
And if someone is buying the codex from some place else and the store owner can't check, if it is even legal or not, then he may feel riped off. Unless you pay for game time or something.

No you Can check them if you ask to see there Black library account as its tied to it.

The exception being I pad type things which should also have purchase histories.

ITs really easy to check if some one had downloaded something or purchased it.

ITs about how intrusive you want to get.

Then again just asking to see it shouldnt cause uproar from some one that bought the thing anyway.

Question to the OP: Is this digital ban only for the tournaments at the store, or is it a wide-spread ban that the owner expects to encompass all games that take place there? It is possible that the formal will lead to the latter, but just wondering how far this guy's personal feelings are handcuffing his player population.

They sound like Luddites. What does it matter if someone has their rules on a tablet or print out?

It's a frigging game damn it, people need to stop putting up roadblocks that stop each other from playing and enjoying their hobby.

Even if the guy is usually decent, I would personally tell him I'm taking my business elsewhere.

 General Kroll wrote:
They sound like Luddites. What does it matter if someone has their rules on a tablet or print out?

It's a frigging game damn it, people need to stop putting up roadblocks that stop each other from playing and enjoying their hobby.

Even if the guy is usually decent, I would personally tell him I'm taking my business elsewhere.

Yeah Enough with these road blocks. people should be able to do what they want whenever they want all the time. because its life!

I don't see why the FLGS store owner should care if you bought a given item direct from GW or if you obtained it in some other way. How does that affect them at all?

Should we also disclose which miniatures we bought on ebay or traded from friends or assembled from extra bitz in excess of the amount of models advertised on a kit's box?

And should those things thereby be barred from use?

Completely and intolerably ridiculous.

 Voidwraith wrote:
Question to the OP: Is this digital ban only for the tournaments at the store, or is it a wide-spread ban that the owner expects to encompass all games that take place there? It is possible that the formal will lead to the latter, but just wondering how far this guy's personal feelings are handcuffing his player population.

I usually only go in there to play in tournaments, but I do know the Ban on Codex's is store wide. I am sure if I was playing on a casual Sunday and ran a Helcult, he would be none the wiser but his store, his rules so I don't even attempt it. The main point of this post was to get a consensus on whether this was normal or not, as this is my first time delving into mini wargaming, as I played MTG prior. I will engage him again on the subject but I am pretty sure he is rock solid in his point of view.

 redleger wrote:

 Voidwraith wrote:
Question to the OP: Is this digital ban only for the tournaments at the store, or is it a wide-spread ban that the owner expects to encompass all games that take place there? It is possible that the formal will lead to the latter, but just wondering how far this guy's personal feelings are handcuffing his player population.

I usually only go in there to play in tournaments, but I do know the Ban on Codex's is store wide. I am sure if I was playing on a casual Sunday and ran a Helcult, he would be none the wiser but his store, his rules so I don't even attempt it. The main point of this post was to get a consensus on whether this was normal or not, as this is my first time delving into mini wargaming, as I played MTG prior. I will engage him again on the subject but I am pretty sure he is rock solid in his point of view.

Tell him you'll be taking your business elsewhere if he does not budge. His policy is odious and unnecessarily binding for no apparent benefit, and FLGSes tend to run narrow margins.

The sale of a codex or whatever is small compared to all the other stuff as well anyway.

My FLGS has the same policy. When i asked about the reasoning behind it, there was a TFG who had gotten busted altering his electronic Codex to let him stomp newbies and those unfamiliar with his army. I'd dare say that might be a reasoning behind the situation at your store as well. Just another case of one *ahem* ruining it for everyone

But "normally" folks allow electronic codices and the like. Heck even in my FLGS with its "No electronic gaming aids" rule the owner only really enforces it in official functions. It might be worth it to ask if its okay for casual games.

I could also have a fake codex printed with altered rules and statlines by a print shop. That's a totally bogus reasoning and I don't buy it. Just ban the TFG and be done with it, don't punish every player in the world for the crap behavior of one person. Y'all have some seriously fethed up stores.

 j31c3n wrote:
I could also have a fake codex printed with altered rules and statlines by a print shop. That's a totally bogus reasoning and I don't buy it. Just ban the TFG and be done with it, don't punish every player in the world for the crap behavior of one person. Y'all have some seriously fethed up stores.

Seriously. While the shop owner has every right to restrict what people do on the tables, I have every right to not spend a dime there because his rules are bogus.

 Ir0njack wrote:
My FLGS has the same policy. When i asked about the reasoning behind it, there was a TFG who had gotten busted altering his electronic Codex to let him stomp newbies and those unfamiliar with his army. I'd dare say that might be a reasoning behind the situation at your store as well. Just another case of one *ahem* ruining it for everyone

But "normally" folks allow electronic codices and the like. Heck even in my FLGS with its "No electronic gaming aids" rule the owner only really enforces it in official functions. It might be worth it to ask if its okay for casual games.

WTF. No electronic gaming aids?! That sounds stupid

And I'm with Robisagg and j31c3n -- if someone wants to win so bad that they'll digitally alter the rules, they're probably capable of cheating many other ways too; don't play with them, kick them out, laugh at them and scorn their pettiness... but don't ruin it for everyone else.

Honestly its not that big a deal *for me and other regulars from what I've seen atleast* like I've said, I've only seen it really enforced during tournaments. Then again I've never been a fan of the digital codices and have never made a list with things from dataslates except for casual games so I'm probably biased in that regard.

Edit:
I just realized that OP and myself are talking about the same store lol. So yeah, that's the reason behind the rule. Owner is a reasonable guy, just ask him about the specifics of the rule.