BaronIveagh wrote:
I'll say it: I have nothing against Judaism, but detest Israel.

Note: not really a fan of Hamas et al, but they at least are honest about what they are. The Israelis get all self righteuos about how they're defending their homeland from the corruption of Palestinian terrorists.

Or how they have a divine mandate to seize additional living room from the subhumans to the east.

One of these days, I should really post videos of the Knesset dubbed in German. I'd post video of Hitler over it, and see if people can spot the real Hitler.speeches.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I find it interesting that people who oppose the political agenda of Israel are called antisemitic people, that is like all the Americans that do not agree with Obama's policies are called racists.

I am against what Israel is doing tho the native people who lived there before the zionists came and destroyed the equilibrium that existed between the religious factions for hundred of years.

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I find it interesting that people who oppose the political agenda of Israel are called antisemitic people, that is like all the Americans that do not agree with Obama's policies are called racists.

I am against what Israel is doing tho the native people who lived there before the zionists came and destroyed the equilibrium that existed between the religious factions for hundred of years.

you mean the tens of thousands and then hundreds of thousands of Jews who escaped persecution and death after WW1 and WW2? yeah those buggers.

 Ghazkuul wrote:

This is probably one of the most offensive things Ive seen posted. Please try not to compare Israeli's to Nazi's and hitler if you could.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Ghazkuul wrote:

This is probably one of the most offensive things Ive seen posted. Please try not to compare Israeli's to Nazi's and hitler if you could.

Try it sometime. I've seen them spew the most racist bs you can imagine. if a US politician said half this stuff, he'd be run out on a rail.

and, why not?

So far, they've been heading full steam in that direction, driving people from their homes, putting them in camps and unlivable ghettos and using any occasion they push back to decry them as terrorists and claim it justifies all the things they do.

They've on more than one occasion, even before Palestinian terrorism became a big thing, all but used the term Final Solution. Hell, they elected a man who was a self admitted war criminal, mastermind of the rape and murder of hundreds, if not thousands (exact numbers on the rapes were not clear, the murders went into the thousands) of civilians, wanted by international court until US pressure got the charges dropped, to their highest office.

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Ghazkuul wrote:

This is probably one of the most offensive things Ive seen posted. Please try not to compare Israeli's to Nazi's and hitler if you could.

Try it sometime. I've seen them spew the most racist bs you can imagine. if a US politician said half this stuff, he'd be run out on a rail.

and, why not?

So far, they've been heading full steam in that direction, driving people from their homes, putting them in camps and unlivable ghettos and using any occasion they push back to decry them as terrorists and claim it justifies all the things they do.

They've on more than one occasion, even before Palestinian terrorism became a big thing, all but used the term Final Solution. Hell, they elected a man who was a self admitted war criminal, mastermind of the rape and murder of hundreds, if not thousands (exact numbers on the rapes were not clear, the murders went into the thousands) of civilians, wanted by international court until US pressure got the charges dropped, to their highest office.

Any actual evidence of any of this or is this just more of your hate mongering?

NO side is innocent but so far the only group that has called for the genocide of a people are the Arabs. Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese and several other country leaders have openly stated they plan to destroy Israel and kill all the jews.

Regardless, don't compare Israel to Hitler and the Nazi party, the difference is night and day and if you really believe they are the same thing I would advise you to open a history book.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I find it interesting that people who oppose the political agenda of Israel are called antisemitic people, that is like all the Americans that do not agree with Obama's policies are called racists.

I am against what Israel is doing tho the native people who lived there before the zionists came and destroyed the equilibrium that existed between the religious factions for hundred of years.

 Ghazkuul wrote:

Any actual evidence of any of this or is this just more of your hate mongering?

 Ghazkuul wrote:

Regardless, don't compare Israel to Hitler and the Nazi party, the difference is night and day and if you really believe they are the same thing I would advise you to open a history book.

Amnesty International Report on Israel for 2010, Executive summery wrote:
Israeli forces continued to impose severe restrictions on the movement of Palestinians in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) throughout 2009, hampering access to essential services and land. The restrictions included a military blockade of the Gaza Strip, which effectively imprisoned the 1.5 million residents and resulted in a humanitarian crisis. Despite this, Israel often stopped international aid and humanitarian assistance from entering Gaza. Permission to leave Gaza to receive medical treatment was denied or delayed for hundreds of seriously ill Palestinians and at least 28 individuals died while waiting for permission to travel. Israeli forces continued to forcibly evict Palestinians, demolish their homes and expropriate their land in the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, while allowing Israeli settlements to expand on illegally confiscated Palestinian land.

Throughout the year, Israeli forces used excessive and, at times, lethal force against Palestinian civilians. Allegations of ill-treatment against Palestinian detainees continued and were rarely investigated. Hundreds were administratively detained without charge; others were serving sentences imposed after unfair military trials. Israeli soldiers and settlers who committed serious human rights abuses against Palestinians enjoyed virtual impunity.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

The Nazi-Israel connection is completely idiotic, and only drawn by antisemites. The Nazis committed mass executions. Israel offers medical treatment to Arab Muslim terrorists carrying out attacks on Israeli civilians. The difference is night and day. It takes a real glue sniffer to honestly believe the two are even close to equitable.

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 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I find it interesting that people who oppose the political agenda of Israel are called antisemitic people, that is like all the Americans that do not agree with Obama's policies are called racists.

I am against what Israel is doing tho the native people who lived there before the zionists came and destroyed the equilibrium that existed between the religious factions for hundred of years.

By the "political agenda of Israel" you mean survival? Heavens forbid!

 Ghazkuul wrote:
Your lack of understanding of both sides leads you to believe that Israel is a great evil. GO read a history book that wasn't written from a pro palestinian viewpoint and you might change your opinion of all this.

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 Ghazkuul wrote:
Your lack of understanding of both sides leads you to believe that Israel is a great evil. GO read a history book that wasn't written from a pro palestinian viewpoint and you might change your opinion of all this.

Oh, agreed that both sides do bad things. But Israel holds supreme military power. They could wipe out all the palestinians if they wished, but doing so would also exclude them from polite company. All the palestinians can do is shoot makeshift rockets that seldom even hurt anyone. And the Israeli response, when there finally is one, usually kills ten times or more people than the number of Israeli killed.

Yes, Israel can claim land they have conquered in open war just as any other nation. But they also have to provide for the people living there, and offer them citizenship if they don't wish to move. Instead Israel opts for slowly seizing land, evicting the people that live on it. You might have noticed that many peace talks are broken off after Israel announces yet another few thousand apartments will be constructed on occupied land? The Israeli government doesn't want peace. Hell, an orthodox Jew even killed the last prime minister who tried!

 Ghazkuul wrote:
Baronlveagh your accusations are yet again unfounded. Amnesty international as we have already shown in this very same forums is extremely biased against the Israeli's. AS far as the blockade, it is a UN sanctioned blockade and furthermore EGYPT is also blockading Gaza because they don't want that hotbed of terrorists to come into Egypt.

Your lack of understanding of both sides leads you to believe that Israel is a great evil. GO read a history book that wasn't written from a pro palestinian viewpoint and you might change your opinion of all this.

Relapse wrote:

So Israel is supposed to happily eat rockets shot at it?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

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 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I find it interesting that people who oppose the political agenda of Israel are called antisemitic people, that is like all the Americans that do not agree with Obama's policies are called racists.

I am against what Israel is doing tho the native people who lived there before the zionists came and destroyed the equilibrium that existed between the religious factions for hundred of years.

By the "political agenda of Israel" you mean survival? Heavens forbid!

If the survival of the state of Israel is dependant on the oppression of the Palestinians, what does that say about the state of Israel?

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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

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 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I find it interesting that people who oppose the political agenda of Israel are called antisemitic people, that is like all the Americans that do not agree with Obama's policies are called racists.

I am against what Israel is doing tho the native people who lived there before the zionists came and destroyed the equilibrium that existed between the religious factions for hundred of years.

By the "political agenda of Israel" you mean survival? Heavens forbid!

If the survival of the state of Israel is dependant on the oppression of the Palestinians, what does that say about the state of Israel?

What does it say about the "Palestinians?"

What is your solution? Israel is here, and it's here to stay, so "pack up and move" (aka genocide) is not going to happen. Sorry to disappoint.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

What does it say about the "Palestinians?"

What is your solution? Israel is here, and it's here to stay, so "pack up and move" (aka genocide) is not going to happen.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

What does it say about the "Palestinians?"

What is your solution? Israel is here, and it's here to stay, so "pack up and move" (aka genocide) is not going to happen.

And, yet, they expect exactly that of the Palestinians who's homes they bulldoze and buisnesses they seize and families they place in ghettos and camps. Hence, all the shooting.


I suppose an American wouldn't see a problem with it, though, considering you stole your whole country from someone else.

 Ustrello wrote:

So did every other country in the world, welcome to the real world.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

So did every other country in the world, welcome to the real world.

Wrong. And, further, 'Everyone else did it too' went out of style as a defense at Nuremberg.

 Ustrello wrote:


Prove it.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:


Prove it.

I'm assuming you want both of the statements proven: fair enough:

One; The defendants in the Doctor's Trial, Nuremberg, 1946, argued that they had not committed crimes in their use of human experimentation, as there was little difference between what they had done, and US and Russian experiments. Sixteen were found guilty, seven immediately hanged.


Two: Chile was not inhabited before the majority of the current occupants got there (several thousand years ago). They were occupied by Spain, but eventually won back their own nation.

 Ustrello wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:


Prove it.

I'm assuming you want both of the statements proven: fair enough:

One; The defendants in the Doctor's Trial, Nuremberg, 1946, argued that they had not committed crimes in their use of human experimentation, as there was little difference between what they had done, and US and Russian experiments. Sixteen were found guilty, seven immediately hanged.


Two: Chile was not inhabited before the majority of the current occupants got there (several thousand years ago). They were occupied by Spain, but eventually won back their own nation.

Um..no? Try its been inhabited since 12,000 bc

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:


Prove it.

I'm assuming you want both of the statements proven: fair enough:

One; The defendants in the Doctor's Trial, Nuremberg, 1946, argued that they had not committed crimes in their use of human experimentation, as there was little difference between what they had done, and US and Russian experiments. Sixteen were found guilty, seven immediately hanged.


Two: Chile was not inhabited before the majority of the current occupants got there (several thousand years ago). They were occupied by Spain, but eventually won back their own nation. Genetic testing has shown that most of the inhabitants are partially to mostly native, even if they self identify as non natives.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:


Prove it.

I'm assuming you want both of the statements proven: fair enough:

One; The defendants in the Doctor's Trial, Nuremberg, 1946, argued that they had not committed crimes in their use of human experimentation, as there was little difference between what they had done, and US and Russian experiments. Sixteen were found guilty, seven immediately hanged.


Two: Chile was not inhabited before the majority of the current occupants got there (several thousand years ago). They were occupied by Spain, but eventually won back their own nation.

Um..no? Try its been inhabited since 12,000 bc

Did you read the post you quoted before writing that? I did mention that part. Interestingly, they even resisted efforts by the Inca to dislodge them.

 Ghazkuul wrote:
Not a strong argument my friend.

 Ustrello wrote:

Seeing how you edited it after I posted. But the point seems to have eluded you, every current country has stolen most of their land from a predecessor at one point or another.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Ghazkuul wrote:
Not a strong argument my friend.

I could probably point out more if I was going to spend some time and research the subject more thoroughly.

The disease thing was less relevant in the case of Chile due to it also being highly unattractive to migrant populations during the height of European expansion.

I can't point to anyplace though that has not had war at some point.

Back on topic, I notice you didn't try and refute the meat of my post though, about the Doctor's trial.