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PP has a new policy that is far more lenient. Now "most parts have to be pp and has to have the same type of weapons. Dont be vague. I don't have a link. Im on my phone.

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?232363-New-Conversion-policy-Effective-6-25-15


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Model Conversion Policy - Effective June 25th 2015

The following rules apply to the use of converted models in Privateer Press organized play events. These rules are intended solely to ensure that models on the table are represented legally and unambiguously, not to unduly limit a player’s modeling options. An EO can make exceptions to these rules to approve any reasonable conversions.

·Models cannot be converted in such a way that any part of the model represents the intellectual property of any party except Privateer Press, including copyrighted logos, symbols, iconic elements, or other iconography.

·The majority of a converted model's volume must be composed of parts from Privateer Press models. To avoid confusion, the conversion should include iconic elements of the model it is intended to represent.

·A weapon on a model can be converted as long as the conversion represents the same type of weapon (e.g., the model’s axe is still an axe and not a hammer).

·A weapon can be completely swapped for another weapon as long as the new weapon is of the same type (e.g., an axe for an axe, a rifle for a rifle).

·A weapon cannot be removed unless it is replaced by another weapon; a weapon cannot be added unless it is replacing a removed weapon.

·If a conversion uses a Privateer Press upgrade kit for the model it is intended to represent, all parts of the upgrade kit must be clearly visible on the model.

·Miniatures must be mounted on appropriately sized round-lipped bases. Added scenic details can overhang the base’s edge but must not obscure the edge in a way that makes accurate measuring during a game difficult or impossible.

·A player cannot use a model as a proxy (stand-in) for another model.

·Any conversions must be clearly pointed out to the opponent before the game, and the end result of any conversion must be clearly identifiable as the intended model. The golden rule of converting models for tournament play is simply this: If the EO cannot independently, easily, and accurately determine which model your conversion represents, the model is not tournament legal.

​Examples of legal and illegal conversions:
·A player creates an Extreme Behemoth by combining parts from the Extreme Juggernaut and Extreme Destroyer model kits, along with iconic parts from the Behemoth model such as its bombards, its head, and the various missiles on its fists. This model is a legal conversion.

·A player creates an Extreme Behemoth by scratch-building the entire model out of sculpting putty except for the Behemoth bombard parts. Because the majority of this model’s volume is not composed of parts from Privateer Press models, this model is an illegal conversion.

·A player paints his entire army to match the colors of his favorite sports team but does not include any team logos. This army is legal. (Paint schemes are not conversions.)

·A player converts his entire army to resemble his favorite superheroes, including their trademarked logos. This army is illegal.

·A player mounts his Kommander Orsus Zoktavir model on a base featuring a pile of destroyed warjacks that slightly overhangs the model’s base but does not obscure it. He also replaces Zoktavir’s axe, Lola, with the axe from a Trollkin Scout model. While the mighty Butcher will look a bit odd holding the smaller axe in his enormous hands, this model is a legal conversion.

·A player re-poses his Kommander Orsus Zoktavir model, intending to play it as Orsus Zoktavir, the Butcher of Khardov. This is an illegal conversion because it breaks the golden rule of conversions—it will be difficult for EOs and players to know which character the model is intended to represent without help from the player who converted it.

·A player puts an enormous hammer in one of his Stormwall’s voltaic fists. Because a weapon cannot be added to a model unless it replaces a removed weapon, this is an illegal conversion.

Yes! So much awesome!

Deadnight wrote:
Yes! So much awesome!

my thoughts exactly.

I actually really like the new conversion policy. I think that while to some people, and yes this includes people I know, it's limited and so restricting, but honestly I like it. It's open enough that you could do a lot of really neat things with it, but at the same time you aren't going to get confused with most thing as far as I'm concerned, at least in most cases.

I think my Nightmare conversion is finally legal.

That's a pretty specific range of limitations! Though they do say it's for official events, so I guess there is nothing stopping you from scratch building your own stuff for personal use. You wouldn't want to waste your time building "illegal" models though because eventually you're probably gonna want to play a tournament or two!

 darkcloak wrote:
You wouldn't want to waste your time building "illegal" models though because eventually you're probably gonna want to play a tournament or two!

Nope. Honestly it's not a waste to me. I enjoy building & converting and I have zero interest in tournament play.

It's far more open than it was.
And it means I won't be facing any My Little pony conversions.

Lol!

But what if the brony feels bad?

It is good to see a clearly defined ruling. Yet like someone else pointed out, converters will not be stopped! As long as you are using model volume you could play with cardboard squares and it wouldn't matter a jot.

I mean I don't even own any models yet and already I'm looking at converting my purchase to suit my needs!

 MWHistorian wrote:
It's far more open than it was.
And it means I won't be facing any My Little pony conversions.

Only the positives amiright guys

Eh, imho the new conversion policy, while definitely better, is largely a irrelevant change as they removed the restriction that nearly everyone ignored anyways. Oh, and also...

Goddamn that's terrifying no matter what you cross it with...

It burns me eyes!

Okay, done with snarky comments. Personally, not bugged by people doing MLP conversions, don't get it, but whatever, doesn't really bother me, aside from the aesthetic but that's personal taste.

Seems extremely limiting and STILL thinks people are idiots and cant use critical thinking. If I brought a stormwall with an Axe, My guess would be that most opponents think its a stormwall and knows it doesnt have an axe

The whole thing just seems like common sense to me...

If you go to a tourney, make sure any opponent can quickly identify without being told, what version of what model it is.

If you play anywhere else, make sure your opponent knows what the model is before you play and that they are cool with it.

I dont do tourneys so I have no issue doing whatever I like. That said I fully understand that in a tourney there needs to be a solid structure.

Hopefully this will put an end to the dozens and dozens of silly comments people get whenever they post a pic of their converted models. (Mostly on the PP site and not here I'm glad to say! )

So good times people!

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Seems extremely limiting and STILL thinks people are idiots and cant use critical thinking. If I brought a stormwall with an Axe, My guess would be that most opponents think its a stormwall and knows it doesnt have an axe

Yes. But do you put it above a TFG to complain about that model and make it so you can't use it in the game?

They basically opened up the possibilities and made more clear the T.O. guidelines. Not everyone who plays WM/H is a nice guy with the same opinion as you (as with anything in life).

If you take a stormwall with an axe some people will know it's not a stormwall. Some people won't know what it is supposed to be.
The bigger problem is if you give a jack with the juggernaught body with 2 hammers. Is it supposed to be a mauler or a hammersmith or torch or a beserker or any of the other khador jacks? You can tell me and I can keep asking you in a casual game but in a game with timed turns or deathclock that's going to cause problems.
The conversion rules are really meant to cover tournaments. What you do in a casual game isn't really relevant.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Seems extremely limiting and STILL thinks people are idiots and cant use critical thinking. If I brought a stormwall with an Axe, My guess would be that most opponents think its a stormwall and knows it doesnt have an axe

You do realize this is basically just the WYSIWYG rule from 40k applied to weapons right? Which is used because at tournaments,especially if you travel you are going to play against people you never played before, people may get confused when they see your stormwall with an axe. You know just like at a 40k tournament people maybe be confused when your space marine captain is modeled with a power fist but doesn't actually have one in your list.

The other issue with tournaments is the deathclock. You have ONE hour including deployment. If your clock runs out you lose. If you hve to ask every turn what that model is and what this model is you're adding 3-6 seconds per question.

I have seen games end with 3 seconds on the clock and someone get timed out while one of his dice were spinning during a roll... every second CAN count so in tournaments being clear is important.

That said I very much like the new rules it has made some of my models legal but I am also not a tournament player.

The unwritten "Rule of Cool" still seems the biggest rule.

if a conversion is awesome then it'll be fine. I've hear no issues using conversions and even counts as models in local play and tourneys. Though I never have and never will play tourneys at the highest levels.

IMO this is a policy for the highest levels or to give EOs something to back them up for terrible conversions and people trying to get an advantage.

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:
The other issue with tournaments is the deathclock. You have ONE hour including deployment. If your clock runs out you lose. If you hve to ask every turn what that model is and what this model is you're adding 3-6 seconds per question.

I have seen games end with 3 seconds on the clock and someone get timed out while one of his dice were spinning during a roll... every second CAN count so in tournaments being clear is important.

That said I very much like the new rules it has made some of my models legal but I am also not a tournament player.

Sounds like people lacking critical thinking "He has a stormwall in his list, I read it, but I see a collassal with an axe, only one in his list, huh, that must not be a stormwall"
I think PP thinks people are idiots,

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:
The other issue with tournaments is the deathclock. You have ONE hour including deployment. If your clock runs out you lose. If you hve to ask every turn what that model is and what this model is you're adding 3-6 seconds per question.

I have seen games end with 3 seconds on the clock and someone get timed out while one of his dice were spinning during a roll... every second CAN count so in tournaments being clear is important.

That said I very much like the new rules it has made some of my models legal but I am also not a tournament player.

Sounds like people lacking critical thinking "He has a stormwall in his list, I read it, but I see a collassal with an axe, only one in his list, huh, that must not be a stormwall"
I think PP thinks people are idiots,

Colossals are easy because there are only 1 for each faction (soon to be 2) and their capabilities are all fairly well known to every player.

Now try the same using one the 13 different Heavy Warjacks that each faction has access to.

Or try the same with Warjacks like the Defender, Triumph, Dynamo, Reliant and Avenger where the only notable difference between them is that each is holding a different melee weapon and you can have multiples in the same list.

Then maybe they should not have a blanket conversion policy then?
Im always gonna be against the conversion quality until it no longer stifles creativity and thinks people are idiots.

I think the stormwall with an axe is a bad example, really anything else would have been a better example, like for example if I give a Nomad the Rover's axe, is it a Nomad with an axe, or a Rover with the wrong shield? A Stormwall with an axe is still a Stormwall, and we all know that by now

Also, a TO still has the final say, these are just guidlines for them to follow, I'm sure they would allow you to use a Stormwall with an axe

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Then maybe they should not have a blanket conversion policy then?
Im always gonna be against the conversion quality until it no longer stifles creativity and thinks people are idiots.

see, I read the policy and think the exact opposite. To me it gives EOs something in writing to get rid of terrible conversions done by idiots.

It also gives EOs the ability to allow any cool conversion that may not otherwise be legal.

pretty much status quo for most tourneys I've been in. Just not the EO has something written to back them up with the players that are idiots.

and if the EO is the idiot you simply don't play in their event.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Then maybe they should not have a blanket conversion policy then?
Im always gonna be against the conversion quality until it no longer stifles creativity and thinks people are idiots.

And in what meaningful way is this policy stifling your creativity, specifically?

Is it that you can't violate copyright law by placing logos or trademarked symbols on your figures? Or maybe you just want to use a T34 tank as a sherman tank? I mean they're each tanks what's the difference? Or maybe you just want to be able to change the size of the base of the figure so you can get more details on it? What can that hurt in a game where things are measured base to another point?
Please I'd love to know what the basis of your statement is in that the policy offends your artistic sense.

I was against the old policy, I am for the new one.

The new one is actually really open with the rules boiling down to:

Use 50% PP product (It's their game, can't plame them for making you use their models)
Make it obvious.

It's not that people are idiots it's that games can come down to LITERALLY <10 seconds, I've seen it happen several times. An extra second or two can mean all the difference in the world.

Also these rules are for tournament play only AND your event organizer can still make an exception to these rules to approve any reasonable conversion. So your cool dreadnought conversion may be legal if the event organizer says it is ok. This policy just gives a baseline for people to use.

Hell even GW used to say you had to have X% GW product in their competitive events back when they still ran them.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Then maybe they should not have a blanket conversion policy then?
Im always gonna be against the conversion quality until it no longer stifles creativity and thinks people are idiots.

And in what meaningful way is this policy stifling your creativity, specifically?

Is it that you can't violate copyright law by placing logos or trademarked symbols on your figures? Or maybe you just want to use a T34 tank as a sherman tank? I mean they're each tanks what's the difference? Or maybe you just want to be able to change the size of the base of the figure so you can get more details on it? What can that hurt in a game where things are measured base to another point?
Please I'd love to know what the basis of your statement is in that the policy offends your artistic sense.

No, its that I want to make a warpwolf stalker in an awesome roaring pose where it look like it burst through the muzzle weilding a discarded axe from khador models.
And I cant make a stormwall weilding a giant hammer and make it look like siege a bit.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Then maybe they should not have a blanket conversion policy then?
Im always gonna be against the conversion quality until it no longer stifles creativity and thinks people are idiots.

And in what meaningful way is this policy stifling your creativity, specifically?

Is it that you can't violate copyright law by placing logos or trademarked symbols on your figures? Or maybe you just want to use a T34 tank as a sherman tank? I mean they're each tanks what's the difference? Or maybe you just want to be able to change the size of the base of the figure so you can get more details on it? What can that hurt in a game where things are measured base to another point?
Please I'd love to know what the basis of your statement is in that the policy offends your artistic sense.

No, its that I want to make a warpwolf stalker in an awesome roaring pose where it look like it burst through the muzzle weilding a discarded axe from khador models.
And I cant make a stormwall weilding a giant hammer and make it look like siege a bit.

Just make it cool and the TO will ok it.