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 dusara217 wrote:


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 Grey Templar wrote:

Da Mediokre Painta wrote:
Don't the Salamanders have relationships? Or is that old fluff?

On sex and attraction: Marines are not castrated in any form as there is no evidence of this anywhere. This would actually be counter productive as it would reduce their testosterone levels, eunuchs would make terrible soldiers. If anything they have greatly enhanced hormone levels. That said, their sex drive has likely been hijacked both mentally and physically to be channeled into aggression and combat. They would have the worst case of ED ever. Even if a marine were able to have sex, it wouldn't result in any children. All the chemical treatments and gene-therapy have almost certainly rendered them completely sterile. Their genetic makeup is no longer human. So because of this, a marine isn't going to have any attraction for the opposite sex. Ragnar was indeed more a curiosity and head knowledge, not any physical desire.

With Chaos, all this goes out the window of course.

So, what you're saying is... Marines love BDSM?

Its more like violence excitation. They'll get the same mental satisfaction from excelling in combat and performing their duties.

 dusara217 wrote:
Also, am I the only one who wants to see a novel wherein a Space Marine takes paramours, but ends up killing most of them when he engages in vaginal intercourse?

Yes. You indeed are the only one. Take your sick fantasies somewhere else. Maybe 4chan, they seem to like terrible stuff like this.

Not to mention that, unlike what you and Ashiraya says, if space marines are able to open doors made for human people rather than destroy them, if they are able to do fine arts and all that (see Blood Angels and pre-Heresy Emperor's Children), I am pretty sure this means that they are able to control their strength, and would totally be able to not destroy their partner.

Some of these space marine luuuurv devotees really need to read an old story - essay, really.

Man of steel, woman of kleenex.

OK, it's mainly about superman doin' the horizontal mambo with lois and how he'd pretty much gut her like a fish if he did so - but it applies just as well to superhuman genetically modified bullyboys of his most imperial majesty.

See the message literally just above yours. If Superman can shake hands without turning them into a bloody pulp, then he can also have sex without turning people into a bloody pulp.

The real problem when Superman wants to have sex is this (SFW unless you consider sexy male torso NSFW).

And since we are into super-hero jokes :
http://nebezial.deviantart.com/art/doesn-t-matter-had-snu-snu-418949142
http://nebezial.deviantart.com/art/dude-talk-419516503
(Both link are perfectly SFW)

Heh. Nebeziel really is the answer to everything. He's like the Duct Tape of comic art.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:


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 Grey Templar wrote:

Da Mediokre Painta wrote:
Don't the Salamanders have relationships? Or is that old fluff?

On sex and attraction: Marines are not castrated in any form as there is no evidence of this anywhere. This would actually be counter productive as it would reduce their testosterone levels, eunuchs would make terrible soldiers. If anything they have greatly enhanced hormone levels. That said, their sex drive has likely been hijacked both mentally and physically to be channeled into aggression and combat. They would have the worst case of ED ever. Even if a marine were able to have sex, it wouldn't result in any children. All the chemical treatments and gene-therapy have almost certainly rendered them completely sterile. Their genetic makeup is no longer human. So because of this, a marine isn't going to have any attraction for the opposite sex. Ragnar was indeed more a curiosity and head knowledge, not any physical desire.

With Chaos, all this goes out the window of course.

So, what you're saying is... Marines love BDSM?

Its more like violence excitation. They'll get the same mental satisfaction from excelling in combat and performing their duties.

So, you're implying...

Space Marines get battle boners. Welp. Combine with the Spehss Wolves, and you've got yourself one hell of a gakstorm over on /tg/.

 Selym wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:


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 Grey Templar wrote:

Da Mediokre Painta wrote:
Don't the Salamanders have relationships? Or is that old fluff?

On sex and attraction: Marines are not castrated in any form as there is no evidence of this anywhere. This would actually be counter productive as it would reduce their testosterone levels, eunuchs would make terrible soldiers. If anything they have greatly enhanced hormone levels. That said, their sex drive has likely been hijacked both mentally and physically to be channeled into aggression and combat. They would have the worst case of ED ever. Even if a marine were able to have sex, it wouldn't result in any children. All the chemical treatments and gene-therapy have almost certainly rendered them completely sterile. Their genetic makeup is no longer human. So because of this, a marine isn't going to have any attraction for the opposite sex. Ragnar was indeed more a curiosity and head knowledge, not any physical desire.

With Chaos, all this goes out the window of course.

So, what you're saying is... Marines love BDSM?

Its more like violence excitation. They'll get the same mental satisfaction from excelling in combat and performing their duties.

So, you're implying...

Space Marines get battle boners. Welp. Combine with the Spehss Wolves, and you've got yourself one hell of a gakstorm over on /tg/.

Sort of, there won't be any actual boners.

Not for the Astartes are the dainty pleasures of mortal men.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:
Also, am I the only one who wants to see a novel wherein a Space Marine takes paramours, but ends up killing most of them when he engages in vaginal intercourse?

Yes. You indeed are the only one. Take your sick fantasies somewhere else. Maybe 4chan, they seem to like terrible stuff like this.

Not to mention that, unlike what you and Ashiraya says, if space marines are able to open doors made for human people rather than destroy them, if they are able to do fine arts and all that (see Blood Angels and pre-Heresy Emperor's Children), I am pretty sure this means that they are able to control their strength, and would totally be able to not destroy their partner.

The only way they would demolish everything is if they lacked grey matter in their spinal cords, making their movements less graceful and more brutal in a similar fashion to Chimps. But considering they can reload their bolters without crushing the internal guts of the gun, open doors as you said, or work as artificers for their own armor, they definitely don't suffer from this and have just as much control as a human.

Their fine motor control is observed by the Imperial Army dignitaries in the Horus Heresy novel Legion.

The topic of Space Marine genitalia or fertility seems to recur with depressing regularity on many different message boards over the years. I suspect this may be due to the portrayal of Space Marines increasingly like macho movie action heroes, which are a stereotypical masculine wish fulfillment fantasy: the ultra strong, supremely competent, long lived, fast, square jawed action hero. The problem is they are portrayed as if they are your standard Hollywood action hero rather than a more dehumanized warrior. When this portrayal comes up against their supposed monk-like lifestyle and focus on combat and duty over all else, I suspect it raises the question in people about their manliness (i.e. their genitals or fertility). After all, in action movies, the stereotypical macho hero also gets the girl (or at least is theoretically capable of getting the girl). The very possibility that Space Marines might not be able to do so and/or does not want to do so at all seems to sit uncomfortably with some people, which I suspect is the reason why this topic keeps occurring. They can't be a wish fulfillment fantasy if they are sexually disinterested, neutered or infertile.

They aren't a wish fulfillment fantasy.

The only astartes I heard of who was banging was Lucas the trickster. But that was before he was made into a marine.


Still brags about all the chicks hes banged though...

 Wyzilla wrote:


The only way they would demolish everything is if they lacked grey matter in their spinal cords, making their movements less graceful and more brutal in a similar fashion to Chimps. But considering they can reload their bolters without crushing the internal guts of the gun, open doors as you said, or work as artificers for their own armor, they definitely don't suffer from this and have just as much control as a human.

Keep in mind it is not only about his strength, but also his weight.

 zombiekila707 wrote:
The only astartes I heard of who was banging was Lucas the trickster. But that was before he was made into a marine.


Still brags about all the chicks hes banged though...

Well old habits die hard, and you can take it from me...

Whatever, some people just find it less glorifying to play what are practically an eunuch army, if not a physical one.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:
Also, am I the only one who wants to see a novel wherein a Space Marine takes paramours, but ends up killing most of them when he engages in vaginal intercourse?

Yes. You indeed are the only one. Take your sick fantasies somewhere else. Maybe 4chan, they seem to like terrible stuff like this.

Not to mention that, unlike what you and Ashiraya says, if space marines are able to open doors made for human people rather than destroy them, if they are able to do fine arts and all that (see Blood Angels and pre-Heresy Emperor's Children), I am pretty sure this means that they are able to control their strength, and would totally be able to not destroy their partner.

I'm just saying, it's not like it would be graphic, it would just be a little aside where the main character's like "da fuq's going on?" when the dead serf turns up.

Iracundus wrote:
The topic of Space Marine genitalia or fertility seems to recur with depressing regularity on many different message boards over the years. I suspect this may be due to the portrayal of Space Marines increasingly like macho movie action heroes, which are a stereotypical masculine wish fulfillment fantasy: the ultra strong, supremely competent, long lived, fast, square jawed action hero. The problem is they are portrayed as if they are your standard Hollywood action hero rather than a more dehumanized warrior. When this portrayal comes up against their supposed monk-like lifestyle and focus on combat and duty over all else, I suspect it raises the question in people about their manliness (i.e. their genitals or fertility). After all, in action movies, the stereotypical macho hero also gets the girl (or at least is theoretically capable of getting the girl). The very possibility that Space Marines might not be able to do so and/or does not want to do so at all seems to sit uncomfortably with some people, which I suspect is the reason why this topic keeps occurring. They can't be a wish fulfillment fantasy if they are sexually disinterested, neutered or infertile.

Well I can certainly see where that may be the case, but I don't think the setting would be impacted in any negative way by the inclusion of well thought out human drama amoung the ranks of the emperor's finest.

A Space Marine army could certainly work in the manner described above, monastic warriors so exist in real life. But couldn't also what I have posited be true? This is an imaginary playground after all. If Orks can grow out of spores and humans can be turned into machines or even Chaos Spa.....gajdjifndvagfcsnslpsgavvannnkkkklkkmmmmm

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... As the previous author was saying, why can't "Astartes Love" exist in 40k? Because GW said so? Well they're idiots. There ought to be female Marines too. And not just for the satisfaction of depraved neckbeards, but also for the genuine exploration of the human spirit through creative writing.


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And because boobs.

 darkcloak wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
The topic of Space Marine genitalia or fertility seems to recur with depressing regularity on many different message boards over the years. I suspect this may be due to the portrayal of Space Marines increasingly like macho movie action heroes, which are a stereotypical masculine wish fulfillment fantasy: the ultra strong, supremely competent, long lived, fast, square jawed action hero. The problem is they are portrayed as if they are your standard Hollywood action hero rather than a more dehumanized warrior. When this portrayal comes up against their supposed monk-like lifestyle and focus on combat and duty over all else, I suspect it raises the question in people about their manliness (i.e. their genitals or fertility). After all, in action movies, the stereotypical macho hero also gets the girl (or at least is theoretically capable of getting the girl). The very possibility that Space Marines might not be able to do so and/or does not want to do so at all seems to sit uncomfortably with some people, which I suspect is the reason why this topic keeps occurring. They can't be a wish fulfillment fantasy if they are sexually disinterested, neutered or infertile.

Well I can certainly see where that may be the case, but I don't think the setting would be impacted in any negative way by the inclusion of well thought out human drama amoung the ranks of the emperor's finest.

A Space Marine army could certainly work in the manner described above, monastic warriors so exist in real life. But couldn't also what I have posited be true? This is an imaginary playground after all. If Orks can grow out of spores and humans can be turned into machines or even Chaos Spa.....gajdjifndvagfcsnslpsgavvannnkkkklkkmmmmm

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... As the previous author was saying, why can't "Astartes Love" exist in 40k? Because GW said so? Well they're idiots. There ought to be female Marines too. And not just for the satisfaction of depraved neckbeards, but also for the genuine exploration of the human spirit through creative writing.


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And because boobs.

Actually there aren't female marines because GW decided to have geneseed by only compatible with male genes. And there is nothing wrong with that.

Because GW thinks girls are icky and thinks that their customers think girls are icky. I'm entirely unsurprised that this thread devolved in to talk about female Space Marines. But if you truly do not want to fantasize about marine-on-marine buttsex, why are you trying to ask questions about Marines having romantic love?

 Melissia wrote:
Because GW thinks girls are icky and thinks that their customers think girls are icky. I'm entirely unsurprised that this thread devolved in to talk about female Space Marines. But if you truly do not want to fantasize about marine-on-marine buttsex, why are you trying to ask questions about Marines having romantic love?

Because, secretly, every Ultramarine fanboy wants a chance at buttsexs with Rawbutt Girlyman.

Just remember kids, I wasn't the one who said that

 darkcloak wrote:


... As the previous author was saying, why can't "Astartes Love" exist in 40k? Because GW said so? Well they're idiots. There ought to be female Marines too. And not just for the satisfaction of depraved neckbeards, but also for the genuine exploration of the human spirit through creative writing.


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And because boobs.

Love has no place on the battlefield.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Keep in mind it is not only about his strength, but also his weight.

That should definitely not be a problem.

 dusara217 wrote:
I'm just saying, it's not like it would be graphic, it would just be a little aside where the main character's like "da fuq's going on?" when the dead serf turns up.

Still a worse love story than Twilight . Seriously, just no.

 darkcloak wrote:
There ought to be female Marines too. And not just for the satisfaction of depraved neckbeards, but also for the genuine exploration of the human spirit through creative writing.
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And because boobs.

All-male marines actually makes sense. Or all-female, but the Emperor was a macho man from a time when men did everything important enough to put in a book. And even if not incapable of sex infertility makes sense too. Marines may be superhuman but if they don't protect the human population their Chapter recruits from their geneseed will be useless and the Chapter will die out. This way there's an incentive for Space Marines to care about normal humans.

I think it also depends on which "love" is in question.

Traditional romantic or sexual love is probably out of the question. They are taken at an age when puberty has just begun. I imagine it to be quite easy, with the right technology, to ensure that your soldiers turn out asexual. Normal thoughts on biology and relationships are probably not a concern for space marines.

Being a brotherhood probably means a space marine can feel fraternal love, perhaps even some paternal love in some cases. Many stories have shown a space marine showing deep emotional loss and anger at the death of one of their members. this would imply a previous connection with their brothers which you could call "love".

In the last Wolf dex, one of the companies is lost in the outer reaches. They land at a seemingly utopian planet and meet the human population for a feast. The Wolf Lord makes a pass at one of the comely servants.

So it seems it's quite possible for Marines to get it on and at least some make some effort at it.

I'm sure the perfect perfect codex chapters see this as wrong and have hypnotherapy and other countermeasures, but the more feral chapters don't have those restrictions.

Durandal wrote:
In the last Wolf dex, one of the companies is lost in the outer reaches. They land at a seemingly utopian planet and meet the human population for a feast. The Wolf Lord makes a pass at one of the comely servants.

Well, the Wolves may be exceptions. Their recruitment process follows some very different rules.

Durandal wrote:
In the last Wolf dex, one of the companies is lost in the outer reaches. They land at a seemingly utopian planet and meet the human population for a feast. The Wolf Lord makes a pass at one of the comely servants.

To be fair, if the Space Wolves do it, that's pretty much a guarantee that other chapters don't.

I think it also depends on which "love" is in question.

Traditional romantic or sexual love is probably out of the question. They are taken at an age when puberty has just begun. I imagine it to be quite easy, with the right technology, to ensure that your soldiers turn out asexual. Normal thoughts on biology and relationships are probably not a concern for space marines.

Being a brotherhood probably means a space marine can feel fraternal love, perhaps even some paternal love in some cases. Many stories have shown a space marine showing deep emotional loss and anger at the death of one of their members. this would imply a previous connection with their brothers which you could call "love".

Well said.

As the Emperor never intended the Space Marines to be a self-sufficient, or even permanent, organization, it makes sense that something is in place (or absent) that results in them being unable to self-propagate.