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Because old yeller was -clearly- sick.


The citizens of armeggedon were very likely NOT. They hadn't even SEEN a cultist, much less a demon. Logan knew this. And he would be damned if he would have sit down and done nothing as innocent people were slaughtered.

Note- he never once returned fire on an inquisition ship until they beytrayed a promise of parely and killed two space wolf ships. After they came to chat.


Clearly, if I'm in a room full with 50 puppies, but one or all of them MIGHT have a deadly virus, that they HAVENT come into contact with but werre on the same planet as then OBVIOUSLY I have to kill them.

That's the equivalent to this. The -only- ones that knew they were fighting traitors were the guard forces, and it specifically states that all they fought were cultists and some traitor marines.

Logan devised the defence plan, even knowing marine losses would double, BECAUSE of that, he wanted to protect the people. And they DID.

you realize the ships the space wolves where protecting where guard transports right? the civilians wheren't killed. they where however sterlized and rounded up into labor camps. which yet again the fact that the inqusition sterlized them suggested they where concerned about genetic corruption from proximity.

Anyway the Inqusition's been dealing with chaos for ten thousand years (note: human civilization on earth is roughly ten thousand years old) they don't do these things for kicks, they do it because hard experiance has shown it's nesscary.


Hence the ole yellar comparison. killing a dog is something we generally see as immoral and bad. but putting down a rabid dog is just "sadly nesscary, he's a danger to himself and others"

BrianDavion wrote:
you realize the ships the space wolves where protecting where guard transports right? the civilians wheren't killed. they where however sterlized and rounded up into labor camps. which yet again the fact that the inqusition sterlized them suggested they where concerned about genetic corruption from proximity.

Anyway the Inqusition's been dealing with chaos for ten thousand years (note: human civilization on earth is roughly ten thousand years old) they don't do these things for kicks, they do it because hard experiance has shown it's nesscary.


Hence the ole yellar comparison. killing a dog is something we generally see as immoral and bad. but putting down a rabid dog is just "sadly nesscary, he's a danger to himself and others"

No, might want to reread it, they were civilian and military personnel ships. The first ship to go down was mostly guard, but they were taking the entire population.

Also, I still note the fact that non of them even knew chaos was there, and direct you back to my comparision, which is much more accurate.

 streamdragon wrote:
The Space Wolves are one of two chapters of Space Marines that actually give a crap about humans.

that we know of. Tons of chapters we know nothing about.

 streamdragon wrote:
Empathy. Something the vast majority of Inquisitorial and Astartes forces lack.

Thanks goodness they do. Empathy would lead the Inquisition to make terrible decisions.
Empathy is very good for a Sister Hospitaler, but very bad for a Sister of Battle.

 streamdragon wrote:


I don't know that you don't have a suicide vest on. Clearly when you come near a puppy I should shoot you in the head, just to be sure.

Unlike you and Brian, on the other hand, the Inquisition have reasonable cause to suspect that the guardsmen DO have suicide vests on.

 dusara217 wrote:
That is a fallacious assumption. Imperial propaganda about the Grey Knights says that they are infallable

You are aware that the GK are completely secret and that everyone who knows about them are mindwiped or killed, right? The only exceptions are very high ranking Imperial personnel and Space Wolves, for both of whom propaganda is more than redundant.

There is no 'GK propaganda.'

 raiden wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
you realize the ships the space wolves where protecting where guard transports right? the civilians wheren't killed. they where however sterlized and rounded up into labor camps. which yet again the fact that the inqusition sterlized them suggested they where concerned about genetic corruption from proximity.

Anyway the Inqusition's been dealing with chaos for ten thousand years (note: human civilization on earth is roughly ten thousand years old) they don't do these things for kicks, they do it because hard experiance has shown it's nesscary.


Hence the ole yellar comparison. killing a dog is something we generally see as immoral and bad. but putting down a rabid dog is just "sadly nesscary, he's a danger to himself and others"

No, might want to reread it, they were civilian and military personnel ships. The first ship to go down was mostly guard, but they were taking the entire population.

Also, I still note the fact that non of them even knew chaos was there, and direct you back to my comparision, which is much more accurate.

The civilian population of Armageddon didn't go anywhere. That's not how the Imperium works. The civilians were sterilized and put into work-camps. The ships leaving Armageddon were transport vessels for the IG.

 Psienesis wrote:

 raiden wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
you realize the ships the space wolves where protecting where guard transports right? the civilians wheren't killed. they where however sterlized and rounded up into labor camps. which yet again the fact that the inqusition sterlized them suggested they where concerned about genetic corruption from proximity.

Anyway the Inqusition's been dealing with chaos for ten thousand years (note: human civilization on earth is roughly ten thousand years old) they don't do these things for kicks, they do it because hard experiance has shown it's nesscary.


Hence the ole yellar comparison. killing a dog is something we generally see as immoral and bad. but putting down a rabid dog is just "sadly nesscary, he's a danger to himself and others"

No, might want to reread it, they were civilian and military personnel ships. The first ship to go down was mostly guard, but they were taking the entire population.

Also, I still note the fact that non of them even knew chaos was there, and direct you back to my comparision, which is much more accurate.

The civilian population of Armageddon didn't go anywhere. That's not how the Imperium works. The civilians were sterilized and put into work-camps. The ships leaving Armageddon were transport vessels for the IG.

"including the sterilisation (to prevent Chaotic mutations from being passed on) and quarantine of the entire surviving civilian population of Armageddon in Adeptus Arbites work-camps scattered across the galaxy. This was decided even though that population was generally considered untainted, and had no knowledge of the truths behind the war. A similar fate, or even outright liquidation, awaited the human defenders of the Armageddon Steel Legion and the Armageddon Planetary Defence Forces,"

Most of them were being sent to work camps around the galaxy.

 raiden wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 raiden wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
you realize the ships the space wolves where protecting where guard transports right? the civilians wheren't killed. they where however sterlized and rounded up into labor camps. which yet again the fact that the inqusition sterlized them suggested they where concerned about genetic corruption from proximity.

Anyway the Inqusition's been dealing with chaos for ten thousand years (note: human civilization on earth is roughly ten thousand years old) they don't do these things for kicks, they do it because hard experiance has shown it's nesscary.


Hence the ole yellar comparison. killing a dog is something we generally see as immoral and bad. but putting down a rabid dog is just "sadly nesscary, he's a danger to himself and others"

No, might want to reread it, they were civilian and military personnel ships. The first ship to go down was mostly guard, but they were taking the entire population.

Also, I still note the fact that non of them even knew chaos was there, and direct you back to my comparision, which is much more accurate.

The civilian population of Armageddon didn't go anywhere. That's not how the Imperium works. The civilians were sterilized and put into work-camps. The ships leaving Armageddon were transport vessels for the IG.

"including the sterilisation (to prevent Chaotic mutations from being passed on) and quarantine of the entire surviving civilian population of Armageddon in Adeptus Arbites work-camps scattered across the galaxy. This was decided even though that population was generally considered untainted, and had no knowledge of the truths behind the war. A similar fate, or even outright liquidation, awaited the human defenders of the Armageddon Steel Legion and the Armageddon Planetary Defence Forces,"

Most of them were being sent to work camps around the galaxy.

yes sent to work camops, not killed. in "the History of the 1st war for Armageddon according to you" the Inqusition took the civilian population, sterlized them, (the sterlization was carried out via medical check ups, or I think even their food. I'd have to double check) now if the Inqusition had that kinda access to the civilian population? why would they waste time with then taking them into orbit to kill em, there would be more effective ways to kill the planetary populace.

 streamdragon wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
so yeah, the Space Wolves just seemed to think they could call on the Inqusition to help handle this, and then bluster and brow beat them into doing whatever they say.

"call on the Inquisition to help handle this"


Like Armageddon falling to the forces of Chaos was some thing that the Inquisition was ambivalent about or something. Logan Grimnar called for help because he knew his forces wouldn't be enough to save Armageddon when Angron himself showed up. Hence the 911 call to the Grey Knights.

The Space Wolves are one of two chapters of Space Marines that actually give a crap about humans. Oh don't get me wrong, all the chapters care about the Imperium and humanity in general. The Space Wolves and the Salamanders are pretty much the only Chapters that give a crap about humans as persons though. This wasn't "you'll do what I saw because I'm a space Viking"; this was "you'll spare those people because they are innocents who have seen and heard nothing about what was going on here". Empathy. Something the vast majority of Inquisitorial and Astartes forces lack.



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BrianDavion wrote:
Indeed. ask yourself this if you knew a room full of people eaxch potentially, and quite likely, could explode with a force of 50 megatons, could you, in good conscience, let them go and walk around new york city?

I don't know that you don't have a suicide vest on. Clearly when you come near a puppy I should shoot you in the head, just to be sure.

This. So much, this.


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 Ashiraya wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:
That is a fallacious assumption. Imperial propaganda about the Grey Knights says that they are infallable

You are aware that the GK are completely secret and that everyone who knows about them are mindwiped or killed, right? The only exceptions are very high ranking Imperial personnel and Space Wolves, for both of whom propaganda is more than redundant.

There is no 'GK propaganda.'

Did I not say that this is what the Grey Knight's/Inquisition say to the Astartes/GK Neophytes/High Lords/etc.? I do believe that I did, but I may be wrong on that. I don't know, let me find the quote...


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Ah, yes, here it is.

 dusara217 wrote:

And when I say propaganda, I mean what the Grey Knights tell their Neophytes and other Space Marines, Inquisitors, High Lords, etc. etc.

Lets cover all the spectrums.

Chaos is a disease, it has been described as such by Chaos adherents themselves. It is a force that will always be present so long as there are humans to feed it.

Chaos has been depicted in an attempt to tame it many times as something that will end in failure. It doesn't get tamed, it eventually will use you. The people who understand this the best are the Grey Knights, and the leader of the Purifiers, Castellan Crowe and his demonsword-beatstick.

You don't leave Chaos a chance. You throttle it all the way, The concept of Armageddon being a Xantos Gambit is almost equally remote as the Space Wolves being right. Grey Knights have doubts about their actions and frequently act in such ways to avoid killing the people they are supposed to protect.

The problem they faced here is do they protect these IG knowing that just one corrupted one may end up being the death of an equal amount they let go? The civilians were going to be sterilized and put into workcamps, but they weren't going to be killed, the IG were to be sent with them. They would have lived.

The Inquisition and their militant never saw the war as a victory. Just another wound, one that might have been infected with a rot.

The Space Wolves had other routes open to them. Their actions ended up killing people who hadn't even HEARD about the war. If they cared so much they would have taken all the people to Fenris or surrounding planets and kept them under supervision for the safety of everyone. Overall the Space Wolves inflicted greater damage to the opposing side than was ever done to them.

In short feth Grimnar he is an idiot and anyone who likes him should burn their puppy collection, I like Bjorn better in every fething way.

 Quickjager wrote:
Lets cover all the spectrums.

Chaos is a disease, it has been described as such by Chaos adherents themselves. It is a force that will always be present so long as there are humans to feed it.

Chaos has been depicted in an attempt to tame it many times as something that will end in failure. It doesn't get tamed, it eventually will use you. The people who understand this the best are the Grey Knights, and the leader of the Purifiers, Castellan Crowe and his demonsword-beatstick.

You don't leave Chaos a chance. You throttle it all the way, The concept of Armageddon being a Xantos Gambit is almost equally remote as the Space Wolves being right. Grey Knights have doubts about their actions and frequently act in such ways to avoid killing the people they are supposed to protect.

The problem they faced here is do they protect these IG knowing that just one corrupted one may end up being the death of an equal amount they let go? The civilians were going to be sterilized and put into workcamps, but they weren't going to be killed, the IG were to be sent with them. They would have lived.

The Inquisition and their militant never saw the war as a victory. Just another wound, one that might have been infected with a rot.

The Space Wolves had other routes open to them. Their actions ended up killing people who hadn't even HEARD about the war. If they cared so much they would have taken all the people to Fenris or surrounding planets and kept them under supervision for the safety of everyone. Overall the Space Wolves inflicted greater damage to the opposing side than was ever done to them.

In short feth Grimnar he is an idiot and anyone who likes him should burn their puppy collection, I like Bjorn better in every fething way.

Good, Bjorn, for the record,
- told the inquisition to FETH off until they de targeted the wolves fortress before "talks" could be had.
- saw both sides but, agreed more with grimnar.


Now, to pick apart your points.

Chaos is a disease- I agree, however, what diseases do you know of that can infect people who never had contact, or where half way across the planet? I ask you, if our soldiers fought a war in which biological weapons were used, you would agree in telling them that they couldn't come home, they couldn't see their families unless said families left the country forever, that for everything they did, they can't take one single step on the soil they fought to defend? (Not even talking about just killing them) because they have a CHANCE of being infected? Note not are, but just because there was a chance- your point seems to say you would agree.

And yet... They have a deamon beatstick sword... Yeah, purge chaos where it shows up. Not because there is a chance of it. If you kill 100 people, because you FEARED chaos would kill a 1000 chaos has already won. Because now they control you, they control your actions, they can predict you.

Because the inquisition didn't want to argue with grimnar, so they made it look like they would comply, however, they still shot at them.
(And let me make a note again, inquisition shot at space wolf ships every chance they got, but the wolves never returned fire. And the wolves rarely ever got hit, or even lost a ship)

- if they had taken them to fenris and surrounding areas they would have had to fight the inquisition and grey knights head to head. Logan didn't want this, its why he ordered his ships to not return fire until he was lied to, and the head inquisitor threw away his honor.

The space wolves inflicted no damage, there are no records of any of the survivors they dropped off on planets that weren't exterminatused (they BLEW UP FETHING PLANETS because some dude, might have had this disease, but FETH it, lets blow up the world just to make sure it doesn't kill them all in case he has it.... Right...) And the ones that didn't get caught, apparently turned out fine.


The inquisition killed more people in their ignorance, than Angorns hordes would have if they had allowed him to ravage the entirety of armeggedon.

I wont speak on your view of Logan, each his own. I still feel Dante would hand it to him.

Edit: typos and some grammar errors.

Chaos is a disease- I agree, however, what diseases do you know of that can infect people who never had contact, or where half way across the planet? I ask you, if our soldiers fought a war in which biological weapons were used, you would agree in telling them that they couldn't come home, they couldn't see their families unless said families left the country forever, that for everything they did, they can't take one single step on the soil they fought to defend? (Not even talking about just killing them) because they have a CHANCE of being infected? Note not are, but just because there was a chance- your point seems to say you would agree.

Magic diseases, from other dimensions. Next.

(And let me make a note again, inquisition shot at space wolf ships every chance they got, but the wolves never returned fire. And the wolves rarely ever got hit, or even lost a ship)

Uh, no. The Wolves' actually lost a ton of ships in the ensuing battles. Of course, because they are Space Wolves, this is never mentioned again or elsewhere, but that's how GW rolls.

The space wolves inflicted no damage, there are no records of any of the survivors they dropped off on planets that weren't exterminatused (they BLEW UP FETHING PLANETS because some dude, might have had this disease, but FETH it, lets blow up the world just to make sure it doesn't kill them all in case he has it.... Right...) And the ones that didn't get caught, apparently turned out fine.

Yes, that's right. It's not "if those guys get away, they might do a thing that kills people" it's "if those guys get away, they might do a thing that spawns a Daemon World inside the borders of the Imperium" or "If those people end up on a Forge World, we may lose that Forge to the Warp". Things that are real, serious threats to the Imperium.

Killing a few hundred thousand people otherwise? Drop in the bucket. Those people are replaceable. The Forge World isn't.

You are dodging the question on the disease part... Replace biological weapons with magical biological weapons. Done.

In the end the wolves lost a lot of ships, but that's AFTER they started fighting back. They didn't lose a whole lot of ships before that.

- I've never heard of such nonsense. If chaos shows up on a planet, as you said, come in, wipe it out, move on. As for spaw ning deamon worlds

Lexicanum - "A daemon world is a planet twisted and corrupted by the power of Chaos and the warp from being trapped in a prolonged warp rift."

So no, just because some cultists pop up and possibly sunmon a few deamons does not a deamon world make. Nice try.

Because you are trying to take an analogy as literal fact.

Chaos is like AIDS-2, which you can catch by seeing someone who has it, even if they are on TV.

If you *hear* about Chaos, it might corrupt your soul. If you *think* about Chaos, it might corrupt your soul. If you happen to be one of the one-in-a-million human beings with an active Psyker gene, you might suddenly explode into a daemonic possessee... even if you've never manifested a single Psychic power.

... and one-in-a-million is a fethload of people on a Hive World.

Opening Warp Rifts is an attainable feat via Chaos Sorcery. Let the wrong corrupted indivdual get away to a new Hive World, they will breed a cult around them. That cult may rise to have the ability to bring about the eruption of a Warp Rift. The Inquisition needs to stop such events long before they get to this stage.

Inquisition logic-

It's a forge wrold, some guy who might fall to chaos, who might get influential enough to get a cult, that somehow goes unnoticed to the point of being able to open a warp rift strong enough to cause a warp storm. (Needed to enshroud the planet in the warp) all before the inquisition get there and stop it.

So we have to exterminatus it to make sure that doesn't happen. Forge world is still lost.

"Some may question your right to send six billion souls to oblivion. Those who understand will know that you have no right to let them live."

 raiden wrote:
Inquisition logic-

It's a forge wrold, some guy who might fall to chaos, who might get influential enough to get a cult, that somehow goes unnoticed to the point of being able to open a warp rift strong enough to cause a warp storm. (Needed to enshroud the planet in the warp) all before the inquisition get there and stop it.

So we have to exterminatus it to make sure that doesn't happen. Forge world is still lost.

thats why you kill those people before they can reach and infect a forge world.

the Inqusition's approuch to Chaos, to continue the medical analogy is literally that of cutting off a gangrenous limb to save the rest of the body

 dusara217 wrote:

Did I not say that this is what the Grey Knight's/Inquisition say to the Astartes/GK Neophytes/High Lords/etc.? I do believe that I did, but I may be wrong on that. I don't know, let me find the quote...


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Ah, yes, here it is.

 dusara217 wrote:

And when I say propaganda, I mean what the Grey Knights tell their Neophytes and other Space Marines, Inquisitors, High Lords, etc. etc.

You... You are aware that GK are secret even to Space Marines, right?

And you don't tell propaganda to Inquisitors, High Lords, and the Chapter Masters who do know. Those guys tell the propaganda to others. It's their job to know the truth so others won't have to.

 Ashiraya wrote:

You... You are aware that GK are secret even to Space Marines, right?

Yes, because two squads of GK sent to bolster an offensive comprised of half a Chapter of Space Marines is going to be able to kill them all when they don't want to be mindwiped. Seem legit.

And you don't tell propaganda to Inquisitors, High Lords, and the Chapter Masters who do know. Those guys tell the propaganda to others. It's their job to know the truth so others won't have to.

First of all, nobody is above propaganda. If somebody is trying to persuade you to do something, you are being the subject of propaganda.
Propaganda: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view
So, of course, when a High Lord of Inquisitor learns of the Grey Knights and how they're all psykers, he will be concerned that they will be the most vulnerable Chapter of all, and, of course, he will be told of how incorruptible they are. Just like a Neophyte will hear of this, which is clearly a piece of information meant to persuade people of the Grey Knights' infallibility. while the Primarchs, just like the Grey Knights, were composed of the Emperor's genetic material, and, oh look, at least half of the Primarchs fell to Chaos.


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Also, propaganda is usually the truth, only it's presented in such a manner to persuade people that your view is correct.

 dusara217 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

You... You are aware that GK are secret even to Space Marines, right?

Yes, because two squads of GK sent to bolster an offensive comprised of half a Chapter of Space Marines is going to be able to kill them all when they don't want to be mindwiped. Seem legit.

And you don't tell propaganda to Inquisitors, High Lords, and the Chapter Masters who do know. Those guys tell the propaganda to others. It's their job to know the truth so others won't have to.

First of all, nobody is above propaganda. If somebody is trying to persuade you to do something, you are being the subject of propaganda.
Propaganda: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view
So, of course, when a High Lord of Inquisitor learns of the Grey Knights and how they're all psykers, he will be concerned that they will be the most vulnerable Chapter of all, and, of course, he will be told of how incorruptible they are. Just like a Neophyte will hear of this, which is clearly a piece of information meant to persuade people of the Grey Knights' infallibility. while the Primarchs, just like the Grey Knights, were composed of the Emperor's genetic material, and, oh look, at least half of the Primarchs fell to Chaos.


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Also, propaganda is usually the truth, only it's presented in such a manner to persuade people that your view is correct.

When this story was written, the GK were still the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Malleus. The Inquisition knew *everything* about the GK. It, in fact, decided when, where and how it deployed. It was, in a sense, one of two "personal pet Chapters" of the Inquisition (the other being the Deathwatch). The "propaganda" of the GK was written by the Inquisition, and that propaganda was "it doesn't exist".

 Psienesis wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

You... You are aware that GK are secret even to Space Marines, right?

Yes, because two squads of GK sent to bolster an offensive comprised of half a Chapter of Space Marines is going to be able to kill them all when they don't want to be mindwiped. Seem legit.

And you don't tell propaganda to Inquisitors, High Lords, and the Chapter Masters who do know. Those guys tell the propaganda to others. It's their job to know the truth so others won't have to.

First of all, nobody is above propaganda. If somebody is trying to persuade you to do something, you are being the subject of propaganda.
Propaganda: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view
So, of course, when a High Lord of Inquisitor learns of the Grey Knights and how they're all psykers, he will be concerned that they will be the most vulnerable Chapter of all, and, of course, he will be told of how incorruptible they are. Just like a Neophyte will hear of this, which is clearly a piece of information meant to persuade people of the Grey Knights' infallibility. while the Primarchs, just like the Grey Knights, were composed of the Emperor's genetic material, and, oh look, at least half of the Primarchs fell to Chaos.


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Also, propaganda is usually the truth, only it's presented in such a manner to persuade people that your view is correct.

When this story was written, the GK were still the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Malleus. The Inquisition knew *everything* about the GK. It, in fact, decided when, where and how it deployed. It was, in a sense, one of two "personal pet Chapters" of the Inquisition (the other being the Deathwatch). The "propaganda" of the GK was written by the Inquisition, and that propaganda was "it doesn't exist".

I did not know that. However, I refuse to believe that any being is entirely immune to corruption. The Grey Knights may be immune to non-voluntary physical corruption, but psychological corruption is something that no fancy genetics will ever be able to overpower, the only way for that to happen would be for the Emperor himself to personally the mold the souls of each Grey Knight prior to their births (which seems highly unlikely, but would still redonculously awesome).
Also, anybody named Brutus is going to be a traitor, I don't care how fancy his name is, his fething name is brutus, and Chaos is trying to corrupt him. He'll probably be the one to kill his captain, and we'll have a case of "et tu, brute?"

You can refuse to believe whatever you want, I'm not going to argue someone's head-canon. What we are told is that the GK are 100% completely, entirely immune to Corruption.

The GK psycho-indoctrination, combined with their genetic imprint derived directly from the Emperor (even Primarchs did not have this) seems to be sufficient to ward off the effects of Corruption.

As far as Brutus goes? There's more than one hero of legend named Brutus:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Junius_Brutus
http://folkrealmstudies.weebly.com/brutus-of-troy-first-king-of-britain.html

... just to illustrate a few.

 Psienesis wrote:
You can refuse to believe whatever you want, I'm not going to argue someone's head-canon. What we are told is that the GK are 100% completely, entirely immune to Corruption.

The GK psycho-indoctrination, combined with their genetic imprint derived directly from the Emperor (even Primarchs did not have this) seems to be sufficient to ward off the effects of Corruption.

As far as Brutus goes? There's more than one hero of legend named Brutus:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Junius_Brutus
http://folkrealmstudies.weebly.com/brutus-of-troy-first-king-of-britain.html

... just to illustrate a few.

The first brutus led a massive rebellion, the second murdered his own father, both were traitors regardless of what great deeds they performed.

look you can jump around harping about the name but right now....

nothings happened.

And yes it's possiable a Grey Knight could CHOOSE chaos, and thats what it'd take for one to fall, a deliberate choice. but the odds against that are stacked pretty high. when you literally mold a man from nothing up into what you want him to be, you stand a pretty good chance of his choices being the ones you'll want.

Right now no grey knight has ever been corrupted. there was no corruption at play, insofar as the grey knights are concerned in the 1st war. thus it is a irrelevent hypothetical situation.

Can a Grey Knight be corrupted? doesn't matter none where corrupted at the time.

But the discussion isn't about Grey Knights being corrupted. THe discussion is about guardsmen being corrupted, or at the very least turned into time bombs.

And regular humans can turn to Chaos by looking at the wrong picture in a dirty magazine or reading the wrong Underhive graffiti. It doesn't take much to turn a regular human.

Hell, one guy turns because he looks at a piece of glass recovered from a world that had been subject to a Warp Storm. Goes full-on daemonic possessee, as a matter of fact.

 Psienesis wrote:
And regular humans can turn to Chaos by looking at the wrong picture in a dirty magazine or reading the wrong Underhive graffiti. It doesn't take much to turn a regular human.

Hell, one guy turns because he looks at a piece of glass recovered from a world that had been subject to a Warp Storm. Goes full-on daemonic possessee, as a matter of fact.

These incredibly unlikely 1 in a billion things happen because there are billions on each world. Maybe they need to have some no third child laws to limit the human population and reduce the instances of these happening.

Is there any fluff, anywhere, indicating there was any actual demonic corruption in the guardsmen who survived? I've never seen any fluff source of any kind present the situation as anything other than the Inquisition killing them because hey, why take a chance?

 Jimsolo wrote:
Is there any fluff, anywhere, indicating there was any actual demonic corruption in the guardsmen who survived? I've never seen any fluff source of any kind present the situation as anything other than the Inquisition killing them because hey, why take a chance?

None survived the purge, so evidence of that sort is unlikely to ever be found.

But that is exactly the point of the story, it's to illustrate the ruthlessness of the Inquisition and the conditions by which the 40K setting operates.