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 mikhaila wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
Superheroes are not a good example. Superhero comics are about people - people who can do extraordinary things, sure, but people. It's emphasised more with Marvel than DC, but even someone like Superman is still a man with parents, friends and loved ones and not some faceless uber-mook like these "Stormcast Eternals".

Actually, superhero books are chock full of faceless Uber-Mooks! I'm not sure how you never noticed them.

The guys in yellow beekeeper suits from A.I.M
The moloids
Doombots
Hydra
Secret Empire
Adaptoids
Anhiliation Swarm

The sigmarites will fit right in

I said they're not about faceless uber-mooks. There is no comic book series about AIM employee #2958, because he is little more than a backdrop for another, more interesting story. There is a place for mooks in GW's stories, but there's a reason why GW has novels about their vampires and not their skeletons.

So Orc.... wait Orruks look like savage Orcs? I can handle that, well my 40k Orks can ....off Ebay naturally

Motograter wrote:These AoS threads don't half provide folks with the good use of the ignore button. At least 12 folks on it now.

I know this is the Internet and all that but....you wouldn't be exaggerating for effect, would you?!?

All kidding aside - that's a good point.

In this thread - or almost any thread - if you see a post that you think breaks the rules, report it.

If you see an opinion you don't like, counter it.

If you just don't like that opinion, ignore it - either figuratively or literally. Dakka Dakka has an excellent, and potnetailly underused, IGNORE feature.

Complaining about complaining is...almost as bad?

Wonderwolf wrote:

Harry wrote:I would expect to see nothing but more Humans and Chaos stuff for a couple of months along with a bunch of terrain (so folks can build 'new look' tables) and then the Skaven stuff to hit.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?410324-First-pictures-from-WD-not-much/page27&p=7474425#post7474425

More terrain is always a welcome thing - usually.

Thanks for posting that here!

I've hoped we'd get to see even mix of factions.

 Knight wrote:
I've hoped we'd get to see even mix of factions.

It was fairly logical that the 2 forces within the "box" would be first they usually are.

Skaven is kinda odd but it's fine though with the size creep I wonder what they will become.

Manchu wrote:But it had limitations, too. For one thing, it was a bit too "historical" in the sense that there was no good reason for time not to proceed and yet in so doing the changing world would in some ways invalidate elements of the product line (for the sake of which, and only for the sake of which, the setting even exists in the first place).

One thing I never understood about the Warhammer Fantasy aesthetic is that it DID look historical on the human side... for most of the troops. The archers, mounted, and foot soldiers looked totally mundane. But then the hero would be mounted on a Griffon? I would have preferred for all the models to look like they were fantastic, rather than the common troops being peasant conscripts. I mean, I just don't know how armored knights with lances can fight a creature like Nagash or the Glotkin. Well, then again, they did lose

I know the aesthetic isn't for everyone, but I personally like the "World of Warcraft" look -- which I think is inspired by the Orks and the Greco-Roman themed Space Marines anyhow -- where everyone, when armored, looks pretty awesomely muscular. If they're going to be straight humans, at least give me Spartans

From a fluff perspective, the "new" world is just so much more attractive to me to read about. But like you said, nobody should stop liking what they like, and I mourn the loss of a game world for those that loved it.

Bottle wrote:Haha well I much prefer the Empire archers to the entire sigmarine range so far. :-p

By human I meant the average joe. Not the indestructible captain scarlets.

Doh! Okay I actually wouldn't mind regular humans too, as long as they were more fantastic and shiny

For some reason, I have an aversion for most models historic, especially from that period to the present.

 Talys wrote:

Doh! Okay I actually wouldn't mind regular humans too, as long as they were more fantastic and shiny

...

This sums up perfectly what I fear Aos will become.
I can stomach the fantastical Eternals, but only if we get dirty and gritty regular humans to contrast them with.

But Warhammer was about regular humans surrounded by horrors and fantastical creatures of all types that was the point.

Going outside your house you could face untold horrors from the Skaven in the shadows, to your next door neighbour being a chaos worshipper.

Ill just go chop some wood oops I upset a dryad or maybe a goblin or Beastman would stab you when you were not looking this was the point.

Magic was awful scary stuff and commoners would be extremely scared.

Again a regular guy stuck in a horrific and fantastical world it's why the first Warhammer online would have been one of the best games ever made if they finished it.

Now it's like Sigmar is Thor and goes around zapping everyone to the extreme!

RazorMind wrote:
and this here is another reason why I wont be buying in addition to everything else> boxed set of AOS "Celestial Thunder", 20 miniatures for $200 lol!!! wow!

5 terminators are $50, so 20 of these begging to be converted to 40k terminators are priced on target. (Not that I like that pricing, since bits buying is needed. But hey, a Custodes army isn't cheap!)

BTW, I see the potential of owning 1 army for 2 systems (I can't be alone on this), and some earth magnets and bits are the simple key!

 Talys wrote:

Manchu wrote:But it had limitations, too. For one thing, it was a bit too "historical" in the sense that there was no good reason for time not to proceed and yet in so doing the changing world would in some ways invalidate elements of the product line (for the sake of which, and only for the sake of which, the setting even exists in the first place).

One thing I never understood about the Warhammer Fantasy aesthetic is that it DID look historical on the human side... for most of the troops. The archers, mounted, and foot soldiers looked totally mundane. But then the hero would be mounted on a Griffon? I would have preferred for all the models to look like they were fantastic, rather than the common troops being peasant conscripts. I mean, I just don't know how armored knights with lances can fight a creature like Nagash or the Glotkin. Well, then again, they did lose

I know the aesthetic isn't for everyone, but I personally like the "World of Warcraft" look -- which I think is inspired by the Orks and the Greco-Roman themed Space Marines anyhow -- where everyone, when armored, looks pretty awesomely muscular. If they're going to be straight humans, at least give me Spartans

From a fluff perspective, the "new" world is just so much more attractive to me to read about. But like you said, nobody should stop liking what they like, and I mourn the loss of a game world for those that loved it.

Bottle wrote:Haha well I much prefer the Empire archers to the entire sigmarine range so far. :-p

By human I meant the average joe. Not the indestructible captain scarlets.

Doh! Okay I actually wouldn't mind regular humans too, as long as they were more fantastic and shiny

For some reason, I have an aversion for most models historic, especially from that period to the present.

Funny how different tastes can be. I love the empire aesthetic and thought the example you gave, of regular troops next to a hero on a gryphon, is actually a case of awesome contrast.

Also I think the idea of regular human troops fighting horrible monstrosities makes it all the cooler.

I always liked the little, ordinary people's stories the most too. The super powered mighty heroes that so much of End Times and this seem to be focusing on don't interest me. So I do hope we get to see what life is like for the actual people who make up the realms, not just the sigmarines.

I guess I was an outlier, but I always loved the hordes of fantastical, horrible creatures all out to slaughter each other. Nevermind the humans!

I've been tempted to pick up the odd Empire hero over the years, but I can say that I've never owned any human WFB stuff of my own accord, and when I've acquired it, it's always been traded away for other races.

Sigmar's guys have enough pomp and flair for me to actually be interested, since they look so far removed from mundane humans.

If GW is able to take the other races to such extremes I imagine they'll be getting a few bucks out of me yet.

Off to go see if my local store has any AoS boxes left!

(Of course, every time I see Age of Sigmar abbreviated, I can't help but think of Aria of Sorrow, a Castlevania game that I quite thoroughly enjoyed some years ago).

I had dwarf, (both) and all elves, I owned bits of empire. But my main human army was Brets. I always wanted Cathay or Araby or Kislev (yes I own the small amounts they released)

As well as Lizardmen and a very small Forrest goblin army, and a omg I have to many Skaven and Beastmen army.

There was so much they could do, Ind Beastmen, Estallia, Cathay could be Tau like humanoids.

But nope let's just Nuke everything and create this.

How about a Hobgoblin army that only has alchemists and no wizards?

Jings, Yodhrin. Even I think thou doth protest too much. Although I find this...

Motograter wrote:These AoS threads don't half provide folks with the good use of the ignore button. At least 12 folks on it now

... about as contemptible. Aside from the dubious nerd-points earned by entering the thread to swagger and brag about how many people you ignore, and the vague cowardliness of ignoring people who don't agree with your favourite toy soldiers game, I'll second Alpharius' post on the matter, but with a slight change, which has a little something to do with the Treebeard quote in my sig. You don't know when any given person is going to post something you do agree with, or find interesting or enjoyable. E.g. I've disagreed with an awful lot of what Manchu said about AoS up to this point (sorry Manchu!) but find his post about the change in the maps interesting, and it changed my perspective a little. How would that happen if I just went around Dakka a week ago, going "Oop, you like AoS! Ignore! Ignore!"

AlexHolker wrote:
I said they're not about faceless uber-mooks. There is no comic book series about AIM employee #2958, because he is little more than a backdrop for another, more interesting story.

What about Bob, Agent of Hydra?

Talys wrote:The archers, mounted, and foot soldiers looked totally mundane. But then the hero would be mounted on a Griffon? I would have preferred for all the models to look like they were fantastic, rather than the common troops being peasant conscripts. I mean, I just don't know how armored knights with lances can fight a creature like Nagash or the Glotkin. Well, then again, they did lose

I know the aesthetic isn't for everyone, but I personally like the "World of Warcraft" look...

Eesh. Sorry Talys. I'm one of the guys who liked the 'normal guys vs. weird, extreme threats' thing. To use the comics analogy going on, I can admire Superman for being a good guy capable of amazing (and sometimes ridiculous) feats, but I don't think I'd ever regularly buy and read a Superman comic series. Just too invulnerable, overpowered and, er, un-imperilable, even after reading explanations for other story hooks. Marvel's cosmic branch of heroes don't interest me for the same reasons and more. It's like Syndrome's quote in The Incredibles: when everyone's super, no-one will be.
In fact, superhero comics fell off my regular order list. (too badly written for the hefty price, for my tastes... also a bit like Warhammer) One of the few titles left on it is BPRD. A story about... 'uniquely talented' but not necessarily superpowered guys vs. weird, extreme threats... Huh! And since they were combined with UN military forces when the frogs and ogdru hem started popping up, it's really reading like mundane, common troops fighting a Chaos invasion, but in the 20th/21st rather than 13th-16th (or 410th...) centuries!

Back on topic a little... that thing going on in Ulguland with the mist, the missing Chaos warriors, and the Slaaneshis turning up afterwards. Think that's part of Slaanesh's return, and rumoured reformation into a figure of revenge against the rest of Chaos? Turning him/her into the new Malal?

Wasn't that Belakor's schtick? Think he's going to pop up in the new background, sometime?

Bob acts as a foil for Deadpool like Sancho Panza for Don Quixote and Deadpool has plot armour in spades. I like deadpool but he's far to powerful. I think he survived as a head only at one point.

The nearest normal person in Marvel I guess could be Moon Knight as everything is in his head or maybe Hawkeye or Frank Castle ( before the stupid zombification thing)

But they certainly are nothing like regular joes.

I thought I heard something about all these scrolls being put together into some sort of iPad app. Did anything ever happen with that or was that just wishful thinking on their part?

I must be weird but I am really excited about getting a copy of the game. I like both factions and they way they look, I have watched the how to paint videos several times and want to get the box more and more.

I have been playing miniature game since Warhammer 40K Rogue Trader ( I still have my original copy) when they didn't have point values and games were supposed to be narrative based. Like the farmhouse scenario from the main 40K book from years back for those who may remember.

I have always wanted to get into Warhammer, but was always put off by several things, like the rules, the number of miniatures and mainly the lack of general interest where ever I have lived. I do have a rather large Empire army, which I could convert to round bases and if I like the game, I just may do that.

Now i have Kids and want to get my two older boys involved and I think this will be the best way possible. I look forward to see what the other races and factions look like. Over all I am cautiously optimistic with the direction this is going and look forward to seeing more, especially the Dwarves, Orcs and Elves...Well what ever they are being called now.

 Crimson wrote:

 Talys wrote:

Doh! Okay I actually wouldn't mind regular humans too, as long as they were more fantastic and shiny

...

This sums up perfectly what I fear Aos will become.
I can stomach the fantastical Eternals, but only if we get dirty and gritty regular humans to contrast them with.

I'm happy with the choice. I just don't want to model the dirty and gritty regular humans, that's all.


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number9dream wrote:
Funny how different tastes can be. I love the empire aesthetic and thought the example you gave, of regular troops next to a hero on a gryphon, is actually a case of awesome contrast.

Also I think the idea of regular human troops fighting horrible monstrosities makes it all the cooler.

Well, I think it's great that the Warhammer collection will have something for everyone It's one of the strengths of 40k -- such a wide variety of aesthetics that almost anyone can find something they like (as long as they're into SciFi).


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 Breotan wrote:
I thought I heard something about all these scrolls being put together into some sort of iPad app. Did anything ever happen with that or was that just wishful thinking on their part?

No, I got an email from GW about it, I think. But I don't like my iPad very much -- I far prefer my Surface Pro -- so it's not helpful


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@Vermis -- One more for the "Gritty Humans, Average Joe" Well, since there are obviously so many people who love this, I hope they keep developing the models and aesthetic.

Superhero comics fell off my list in like... the 90s. I loved them all, but the crossovers made it too hard for me to follow, and like you said, the price per comic seemed astronomical when I stopped following them. But it didn't make me love superheroes any less, and the Marvel movies are some of my favorites of all time.

 SJM wrote:
So Orc.... wait Orruks look like savage Orcs? I can handle that, well my 40k Orks can ....off Ebay naturally

I think that all previous armies exist so savage orcs or orrucks. The newer ones are going to look different I'm told. Orruks are supposed to look more ( this is how they were described to me ) like Huns but I have no idea what that means and they are a while away.

I imagine the visual updates for most armies will be similar to the two visual updates tyranids have recieved.

Orruks will always green, muscular and bald (discounting hair squigs)

 Breotan wrote:
I thought I heard something about all these scrolls being put together into some sort of iPad app. Did anything ever happen with that or was that just wishful thinking on their part?

There has been an App trailed on the Black Library site with an 'My Battle Tool' as part of it,



but how that will work is anybody's guess at the moment (and will it include the 'legacy' armies or only the new 'official AoS stuff)

 Manchu wrote:


Removing Fantasy from literalistic space and time and instead contextualizing it as a mytholgical setting neatly solves these issues. No one ever asks, well what happened to Zeus on June 5, 1967, and where was he? Zeus or Odin or Sigmar is not the sort of character for whom such questions make sense. Rather than pretending such characters exist in any sort of historical sense, let's acknowledge they are legendary characters. The stories about them are not set in any particular place or time, generally speaking as a matter of their meaning, but rather exist throughout all time as legends.

I think that is what GW is really aiming for with the new setting. They are trying to give players room to do whatever they want and yet still in some sense still be playing in the same world. This has been realized so much more effectively in 40k over the years and should not be underestimated as a factor in the success of that brand..

This is a very good point. In 40k, there are millions of worlds unexplored in official fluff. In WHFB, the map covered pretty much everything. The setting was geared more towards historical types who would want to play with an existing faction, color scheme, and hierarchy of personalities. If we wanted to create an army all our own, we were expected to cram them into the Border Princes. I wasn't able to enjoy the setting until I decoupled my version from the official fluff, creating my own Imperial state with a new Elector, a new Dwarf hold, etc.. And once I had made that step, it was pretty easy to move away from official GW fluff and miniatures. If Age of Sigmar has a sandbox as open as 40k, it will be very easy to get hooked.

Unless it sucks, of course.

 Bottle wrote:
I imagine the visual updates for most armies will be similar to the two visual updates tyranids have recieved.

Orruks will always green, muscular and bald (discounting hair squigs)

Considering they supposedly have females now they are no longer fungi, so hair squigs might be a 40k thing again.

Well we know that there are going to be at least two types of dwarfs (duardin)

The really small print preview of the upcoming book talks about them going to the Metal realm looking for a gate that goes to any realm (whereas most gates only go to one place).

They're hoping to find Grungni and the dwarves who have been missing for a long time.

It says that the ones with Grungni aren't like the Fyreslayers.

So we can probably assume that these Fyreslayers are based on that artwork of flaming Grimnir fighting that huge thing, and that slayers may now be on fire (ala Ungrim in the end times).

So we might finally get that plastic slayer kit we've all wanted for ages.

migooo wrote:

 SJM wrote:
So Orc.... wait Orruks look like savage Orcs? I can handle that, well my 40k Orks can ....off Ebay naturally

I think that all previous armies exist so savage orcs or orrucks. The newer ones are going to look different I'm told. Orruks are supposed to look more ( this is how they were described to me ) like Huns but I have no idea what that means and they are a while away.

These are the Huns.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I guess I was an outlier, but I always loved the hordes of fantastical, horrible creatures all out to slaughter each other. Nevermind the humans!

I've been tempted to pick up the odd Empire hero over the years, but I can say that I've never owned any human WFB stuff of my own accord, and when I've acquired it, it's always been traded away for other races.

Sigmar's guys have enough pomp and flair for me to actually be interested, since they look so far removed from mundane humans.

If GW is able to take the other races to such extremes I imagine they'll be getting a few bucks out of me yet.

go).

I'm sitting on the same part of the bell curve as you are. I have an inverted labor pyramid for each army; a few normal people for contrast, several elite normals for that John McLane angle, many converted heroes, and then as many awesomesauce demigod superdudes on fantastical mounts as I could "afford".

 Grimtuff wrote:

migooo wrote:

 SJM wrote:
So Orc.... wait Orruks look like savage Orcs? I can handle that, well my 40k Orks can ....off Ebay naturally

I think that all previous armies exist so savage orcs or orrucks. The newer ones are going to look different I'm told. Orruks are supposed to look more ( this is how they were described to me ) like Huns but I have no idea what that means and they are a while away.

These are the Huns.

Yes I know, that sacked Rome. I meant in a design sense I was unsure what it could mean for the range.

migooo wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
I imagine the visual updates for most armies will be similar to the two visual updates tyranids have recieved.

Orruks will always green, muscular and bald (discounting hair squigs)

Considering they supposedly have females now they are no longer fungi, so hair squigs might be a 40k thing again.

The nigmoos? I haven't heard any more on that except for that one giant post that was pretty much all false. Are others saying female orruks are coming?

Is there any rumors on what is coming after the dice-shaker, measure tool, stormcast release? I am still kindling mild hope that some chaos stuff pops up at a reasonable price, but I fear I have just one more week till I pass on this AoS flavor of the month stuff and move on.

migooo wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

migooo wrote:

 SJM wrote:
So Orc.... wait Orruks look like savage Orcs? I can handle that, well my 40k Orks can ....off Ebay naturally

I think that all previous armies exist so savage orcs or orrucks. The newer ones are going to look different I'm told. Orruks are supposed to look more ( this is how they were described to me ) like Huns but I have no idea what that means and they are a while away.

These are the Huns.

Yes I know, that sacked Rome. I meant in a design sense I was unsure what it could mean for the range.

Gotcha. To be fair, you didn't really convey that in your post.