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I quite like this plastic fortress kit. I'm glad they've not kept it specific to just one of the Chaos Gods.

I wonder how much the Khorntress Action Playset will cost?

 Cryonicleech wrote:
What I think people are forgetting about this ruleset is the relative unit parity which exists in the game now.

I still think the idea of 20 Glottkin or 11 Bloodthirsters are silly, but keep in mind now that many things just wound on a 4-5 now. Sure, armor saves are still very much in play, but models can do much more damage to monsters than they used to now that damage is static. Considering also that monsters lose effectiveness as wounds are lost and that without a points value you can take more infantry if you wish, I feel that the idea of 11 Bloodthirsters means less than it used to, using the old power metrics.

Then again, I don't play AoS and don't intend to, so maybe I'm wrong.

My money's on the Bloodthisters.

I've been playing a little AoS, and Monster wounds are generally better than infantry wounds. Even though Infantry can wound, they tend not to wound as effectively, and Infantry suffer battleshock from slain models vs wounds. A flying beatstick like a Bloodthirster is fast and will get into HtH pretty quickly, and outraces most shooting / magic damage once he makes contact and gets "stuck in".

What AoS needs is big Magic that auto-removes d3 models from play as counterbalance to things like Monsters, completing the RPS circle. Take too many Monsters, and Magic deletes your army, just as too much Infantry is cancelled by Monsters, or how Infantry trumps that same Magic.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I quite like this plastic fortress kit. I'm glad they've not kept it specific to just one of the Chaos Gods.

I dunno, it definitely feels Khorne. Even the battlements look like the Khorne bunny ear things.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Is the Bell+Birdy thing still a...thing? Because that would be hilarious. Wait until everyone deployed their models, deploy yours, game starts, you win. Boom, drop the mic, back of backwards flailing your arms.

It never was a thing - people intentionally misreading rules - nothing more.

I am unimpressed with the new fortress tbh and the prices just keep going up.

Glad to see somr of the mdf sellers are starting to make versions of the gate ways etc...... had a glance through the new book and again its a lot of money for what it is so may not buy - i really enjoy fluff books but £45........... also still not split into rules and fluff books - one of the best things about End Times, 4ok Campaign books IMO.

Relapse wrote:

xera32 wrote:

fleegle23 wrote:
Does anyone know of someone who actually has a 10 Bloodthirsters or 20 Glotkin. These examples come up regularly and whilst it's possible, it seems highly improbable.

Battles and war in real life are very rarely even or have balanced forces. While no one wants to get pummeled regularly, sometimes it's just fun to play the game

I don't have 20 glotkin, but i do have 11 bloodthirsters.

And no one who would probably play against that army.

But that's a problem, because it's a legal army under the new rules. It's not a problem because we're actually likely to see loads of armies of 11 Bloodthirsters or 20 Glotkin, but because it means GW have abdicated their responsibility to set the common frame of reference for the game, and so now essentially nobody has any idea where they stand. Consider the long-running irrational opposition to Forgeworld rules/units from many 40K players; some people only refused to play certain units that they personally saw as overpowered(but rarely the same units from one group to another), some refused to play against FW army lists, some just point-blank refused to allow FW, and all that confusion came about because of GW's "just decide amongst yourselves" attitude to FW by GW.

When you force players to essentially build their own version of the game from group to group, you force them to create insular, exclusionary communities that will have to be very lucky indeed to keep up a high enough rate of recruitment to offset the normal process of player loss, not only because you'll have to explain to truly new recruits why the army they bought at GW exactly according to the game rules is illegal by whatever bodge-job comp or points system you've cooked up amongst yourselves, but because some groups are going to be banning things for petty or irrational reasons and nobody wants to show up at a club and find they can't use their favourite unit that they spend tons of time & money converting because the local majority clique got beaten by an army featuring it before and are sore losers.

That common frame of reference that rules are supposed to provide puts everyone on roughly the same page and tones down most people's personal complaints and bugbears to a level where just about everyone can have a satisfactory game with everyone else. Take that away, get into the mindset of "that's legal, but I think it's unfair so BANNED" whether justified or not, and we're back to the FW situation but applied to an entire game system rather than just some supplementary products. It's mental, not just from a game design perspective, but from a commercial perspective as well because making it harder to find games or putting people off collecting as a result of a bad experience with a petty local group isn't going to help your bottom line.

I would imagine that it would more a problem for Bloodthirster guy as its not a tournament. So there will not be definite match-ups, it will be more of a 'find an opponent and a table and let us know what happened' type affair.

Bloodthirster guy might find himself sitting there for a while.

 notprop wrote:
I would imagine that it would more a problem for Bloodthirster guy as its not a tournament.

It's a problem for everyone because there's no well defined line in the sand that will stop other people from getting hit by the same boycotts. We've already seen people complaining about people who have too many Ogres in their Ogre Kingdom army (because 1 Ogre is better than 1 Halberdier, but the rules treat them as of equal value).

We played a 60 wounds points game yesterday. It was my Empire Militia/State troops and five dwarf slayers vs five Giants. At the end of the game I had 26 wounds left and the Giants player had 20. Other then my troops constantly getting stuffed in the Giants pants I felt the game was pretty even.

I think the fortress seems to sway towards being Khornate, but there are no actual symbols moulded on it (from what we have thus far seen). Any God specific Chaos player worth their salt will probably have enough symbols in their bitz box to make it God-specific should they so wish.

I hope the terrain is made up of smaller pieces at £20-30 a box rather than a huge £100 odd mega set. But we shall see.

 Bellygrub wrote:
We played a 60 wounds points game yesterday. It was my Empire Militia/State troops and five dwarf slayers vs five Giants. At the end of the game I had 26 wounds left and the Giants player had 20. Other then my troops constantly getting stuffed in the Giants pants I felt the game was pretty even.

I think your giant might have a problem lol.

Equally trying to stuff a Giant in normal sized pants is a problem too. I know from daily experience.......

 Alpharius wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Everyone - please keep in mind this is the Age of Sigmar News and Rumors thread.

So if you're not posting news, rumors, or comments about previously posted news or rumors...

...don't!

Thanks!

Third time's a charm?

After this one, expect warnings and suspensions.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I think the fortress seems to sway towards being Khornate, but there are no actual symbols moulded on it (from what we have thus far seen). Any God specific Chaos player worth their salt will probably have enough symbols in their bitz box to make it God-specific should they so wish.

I hope the terrain is made up of smaller pieces at £20-30 a box rather than a huge £100 odd mega set. But we shall see.

The other terrains are £30, £35, that kind of price level. The magic gates were a limited edition, though, and already OOP.

I think the terrain looks pretty nice and a good buy if you don't want to build your own, though I can't find a lot of use for it myself.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The magic gates were a limited edition, though, and already OOP.

No, they're not. Well, they're still available at least.

 -Shrike- wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The magic gates were a limited edition, though, and already OOP.

No, they're not. Well, they're still available at least.

Ya, the initial run sold out, and the website listed them as No Longer Available, instead of Out of Stock which caused some confusion. There was even a thread here about it. A week after they sold out, they became available again and have remained available since.

next week releases

WHITE DWARF WEEKLY 83 english 4
BATTLETOME: CHAOS DREADHOLD english 33 book (also french version)
KHORNE BLOODBOUND BLOOD WARRIORS 62 plastic
CHAOS DREADHOLD: SKULL KEEP 75 plastic
CHAOS DREADHOLD: MALEFIC GATE 100 plastic
CHAOS DREADHOLD: OVERLORD BASTION 130 plastic
AGE OF SIGMAR: GHAL MARAZ 24 book
CHAOS DREADHOLD FORTRESS WALL 25 plastic DIRECT ONLY

CRAZY CHAOS CASTLE WEEK!

Looks Castle Graysku... I mean the Dreadhold is in bits as per Thraxas expectations.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Looks Castle Graysku... I mean the Dreadhold is in bits as per Thraxas expectations.

My guess is that it's like the Warhammer Fortress - one big set or you could buy the walls/towers separately.

The fortress gets its own separate rulebook?

Albino Squirrel wrote:
The fortress gets its own separate rulebook?

It probably includes rules for how the whole thing operates and how players can destroy it, as right now aside from a single Battlescroll Formation in the book that came out this past week there isn't really a way to do that.

I also would not be surprised to see the basic rules of it online.

So, if I were to want this castle, I would buy one of each of the dread holds main pieces ($130 +$100 + $75), probably three walls to connect them ($25 * 3, direct only) and then the book ($33)? That makes a grand total of $413, which is $83 more than getting an entire realm of battle board through GW.

That is quite a price. My main hope with AoS was that GW was going to make the price point quite a bit cheaper to get into the game. And granted, I know that a newer person wouldn't buy all of these, but seeing as how they might only be able to afford a wall and maybe the gates (whenever they are available), makes it difficult to build up terrain specific to this game.

The quality looks good and all, that's just quite the price tag.

HobbyBox wrote:
So, if I were to want this castle, I would buy one of each of the dread holds main pieces ($130 +$100 + $75), probably three walls to connect them ($25 * 3, direct only) and then the book ($33)? That makes a grand total of $413, which is $83 more than getting an entire realm of battle board through GW.

That is quite a price. My main hope with AoS was that GW was going to make the price point quite a bit cheaper to get into the game. And granted, I know that a newer person wouldn't buy all of these, but seeing as how they might only be able to afford a wall and maybe the gates (whenever they are available), makes it difficult to build up terrain specific to this game.

The quality looks good and all, that's just quite the price tag.

I have a hard time believing that this will have the walls only available Direct Only. For a time they sold individual Realm of Battle tiles via Direct Only--and I am thinking that the "Skull Keep" is the basic set and the others are different boxes with walls involved.

Are Blood Warriors 5 models like the starter set? They seem quite expensive if that is the case.

I don't know anyone who will buy the skull keep at that price, but my FLGS will buy a set (or even a couple) and plenty of people will enjoy it there. I'm sure GW thinks that their "GW Hobbyist" customers will be buying this but really I think it will sell mostly to stores or groups of people getting them collectively.

 durecellrabbit wrote:
Are Blood Warriors 5 models like the starter set? They seem quite expensive if that is the case.

I would be surprised if they're 5 models, since the new option(Goreglaive) is 1 in every 10.
The unit size listed is 5 and up--but that jibes with the fact that Retributors retain their 3 and up size from the starter box despite the other Paladin variants(Protectors and Decimators) are 5 and up models.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I don't know anyone who will buy the skull keep at that price, but my FLGS will buy a set (or even a couple) and plenty of people will enjoy it there. I'm sure GW thinks that their "GW Hobbyist" customers will be buying this but really I think it will sell mostly to stores or groups of people getting them collectively.

I have to see the pictures of the actual set to see if it's worthwhile. There are some really nice, large 40k sets that are expensive in absolute dollars, but cheap in terms of how much you get, like the Fortress of Redemption. I mean, it's huge, fills up tons of the tabletop, and is a centerpiece.

Not going to buy any of them, unless they have generic conversion usefulness, though, because I'm not really a Chaos guy. The only Chaos model I've bought alone in 20 years was the Bloodthirster; the rest of them were all part of another bundle like Dark Vengenace, Assassin box, etc.

Is the warscroll for the warriors out there somewhere and does anyone know when the app updates with the new rules?

The app updates every weekend currently. Blood Warriors are already on the app, but that's the box set ones.