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 Vaktathi wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
Here's an idea. Slap this special rule onto all drop pods:

Terminal Velocity:
Drop Pods may only be used by models from the following codices: Space Marines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Grey Knights.

Orrrr...

Terminal Velocity:
On arrival, any unit that does not belong to Codex: Space Marines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels or Grey Knights instantly takes 2D6 wounds with no saves allowed.

The Sisters of Battle have previously had access to Drop Pods with the Dominica-pattern 'Pod.

However, I would go with your option if it also inflicted a Strength D hit in a Large Blast radius wherever the pod landed. Those things are going really, really fast, after all. They should just pulp anything around them when they land.

And how much should they pay for that ability? Likewise, Newton's laws and all, they should take a D hit back

I'd be okay with that. Losing a Drop Pod for killing or almost killing something bigger and badder.

That said, I'd just word the special rule as preventing anything not in PA, AA, or scout armour from using the pod.

I would say change it, but if i use FSE and normal tau i want them to be able to share transports

WrentheFaceless wrote:
Well since the OP thinks my Cult/Skitarii dont deserve to be allies.

To hell with the OP I say.

Yes, it's obviously the OP's fault that GW split Admech into 2 books as an obvious cash-grab.

 vipoid wrote:

WrentheFaceless wrote:
Well since the OP thinks my Cult/Skitarii dont deserve to be allies.

To hell with the OP I say.

Yes, it's obviously the OP's fault that GW split Admech into 2 books as an obvious cash-grab.

It's must also be OP's fault that the War Convacation is split into three books

I only have a problem with BB. I personally feel that you should only be BB when you have the same faction between detachments.

 Frozocrone wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

WrentheFaceless wrote:
Well since the OP thinks my Cult/Skitarii dont deserve to be allies.

To hell with the OP I say.

Yes, it's obviously the OP's fault that GW split Admech into 2 books as an obvious cash-grab.

It's must also be OP's fault that the War Convacation is split into three books

I only have a problem with BB. I personally feel that you should only be BB when you have the same faction between detachments.

Yeah, they could've easily put all the Admech stuff into one book.

And I'm not against keeping Allies in general, because some of them make sense. But at the very least, remove the ability to use eachother's transports. I know that sucks for armies like Sisters, and it makes Skitarii less viable, but the way I see it's two sides of a scale. Either, the army functions with it's book as it's supposed to be, whether good or bad for the army, or they utilize things not in their codex and become abusive as hell. I want to remove the "abusive as hell" portion of that scale. Also, remove "Come the Apocalypse". Or make it so that rule only applies in games larger than 2500+ or so.

Honestly, I'm actually happy with Mechanicus being two different books.

It has let me spot the people whose only awareness of my Skitarii is what they've read online.
I played a game with pure Skitarii and had someone telling me that they read on 1d4chan that Skitarii had Knights and Grav weaponry(they don't--it's the White Dwarf formation allowing those to be part of it) and asking me why I wasn't using Canticles.

 vipoid wrote:

WrentheFaceless wrote:
Well since the OP thinks my Cult/Skitarii dont deserve to be allies.

To hell with the OP I say.

Yes, it's obviously the OP's fault that GW split Admech into 2 books as an obvious cash-grab.

No, but he is to blame for a stupid suggestion

Defensive much?

But don't worry. I expect GW to loosen the army structure even more in the next edition. I'll really be surprised if the FOC and CADs are in it. 8th will be a free for all with some formations thrown in to sell underpowered units.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
Defensive much?

But don't worry. I expect GW to loosen the army structure even more in the next edition. I'll really be surprised if the FOC and CADs are in it. 8th will be a free for all with some formations thrown in to sell underpowered units.

Oh gawd I hope not. I'd probably quit at that point.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
Here's an idea. Slap this special rule onto all drop pods:

Terminal Velocity:
Drop Pods may only be used by models from the following codices: Space Marines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Grey Knights.

Orrrr...

Terminal Velocity:
On arrival, any unit that does not belong to Codex: Space Marines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels or Grey Knights instantly takes 2D6 wounds with no saves allowed.

The Sisters of Battle have previously had access to Drop Pods with the Dominica-pattern 'Pod.

However, I would go with your option if it also inflicted a Strength D hit in a Large Blast radius wherever the pod landed. Those things are going really, really fast, after all. They should just pulp anything around them when they land.

And how much should they pay for that ability? Likewise, Newton's laws and all, they should take a D hit back

That would be fair. I was planning on dropping them empty anyway and walking my girls up the board to clean up the pieces.

How bout Sisters get Strength D pods and 4++ faith shields for the same price that Necrons and Eldar pay for theirs

That would actually reduce the price of a BSS.

Of course, as the candidate of Big Codex the op would support positions that benefit the top tier. This is as a time when the powerful armies are getting more powerful (elder, space marines, necrons) and the weaker armies are getting weaker (dark elder, grey knights, blood angels). Wake up, folks! The mid-tier is disappearing!

Vote for me and I will increase point tax on the top-tier (did you know a necron wraith pays less in points than a bullgryn?) while keeping the options open for the low-tier.

I play Inquisition so I am a candidate that can relate to the allied players.

Bureaucrat 2016! Keep allies!

Allies helped contribute to me running from the game. It was one thing when tiny ass codexes like witch hunters and demon hunters existed with extreme control over ally size, but the "do whatever you want" attitude has brought out the true TFGs. It would be different if it was only fluff bunnies running from multiple books for a theme, but you instead get people looking for the most powerful obscure combo ever.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Allies helped contribute to me running from the game. It was one thing when tiny ass codexes like witch hunters and demon hunters existed with extreme control over ally size, but the "do whatever you want" attitude has brought out the true TFGs. It would be different if it was only fluff bunnies running from multiple books for a theme, but you instead get people looking for the most powerful obscure combo ever.

Yup, pretty much every time I see allies in an army, it's to cover a capability gap or exploit a synergy, not to run a fluffy force. The sole exception of late being AdMech stuff that should have been the same army to begin with

 Vaktathi wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Allies helped contribute to me running from the game. It was one thing when tiny ass codexes like witch hunters and demon hunters existed with extreme control over ally size, but the "do whatever you want" attitude has brought out the true TFGs. It would be different if it was only fluff bunnies running from multiple books for a theme, but you instead get people looking for the most powerful obscure combo ever.

Yup, pretty much every time I see allies in an army, it's to cover a capability gap or exploit a synergy, not to run a fluffy force. The sole exception of late being AdMech stuff that should have been the same army to begin with

Harlequins and Assassins, too. They aren't playable, really by themselves (definitely not assassins).

And Blood Angels are only playable without allies in games that aren't hypercompetitive win lists. Dark Eldar are only marginally better (or marginally worse, depending on how you look at it). Which must be why my two favorite factions of late are Blood Angels and Dark Eldar.

I play the following armies:

Imperial Guard
Militarum Tempestus
Iron Hands
Blood Angels
Ultramarines
Grey Knights
Skitarii

I voted to keep the Allies Matrix because all of my armies are Battle Brothers. Sure I've got enough of each to field a full army but if I want to get silly and run a big dumb Imperial Jamboree list I can.

Lets just face it that you can come up with a logical if not fluffy reason why one faction would ally with another (save maybe inquisition and …. well everything)

I mean some alliances make sense. Dark Eldar and Craftworld Eldar seem like a natural alliance. Seing as the DE are sometimes mercenaries. they should be able to ally with almost anybody. Not to mention there are canon examples where Tau allied with Necrons and Dark Eldar allied with tau. (in both cases the tau were screwed over, but thats beside the point)

I see no reason why a group of stern guard can't be lead by St Celestine out of a drop pod. or why some dark eldar wouldn't hijack a wave serpent for there own purposes.

Some armies cough* SoB * cough should be allowed to use a drop pod if they want to. And as far as I know the Eldar have access to the web way same as the DE so it stands to reason that they would have access to a web way portal of one sort or another.

Some of the players we meet will be TFG or WAAC kind of people. Well in that case roll up your sleeves put on your big boy (girl) pants and Melta the crap out of their Lord of skulls.

 Madoch1 wrote:


Some of the players we meet will be TFG or WAAC kind of people. Well in that case roll up your sleeves put on your big boy (girl) pants and Melta the crap out of their Lord of skulls.

Do you HONESTLY think a WAAC would use a Lord Of Skulls?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Madoch1 wrote:


Some of the players we meet will be TFG or WAAC kind of people. Well in that case roll up your sleeves put on your big boy (girl) pants and Melta the crap out of their Lord of skulls.

Do you HONESTLY think a WAAC would use a Lord Of Skulls?

Sorry what i meant ( melta the crap out of the center piece of their army) Lord of skulls was just an example.

And yes. yes i do think a WAAC person playing chaos would use a Lord of skulls, Be'Lakor, A bunch of hell drakes, And An'Grath. All in an unbound list of course

This thread is a vile attempt by Xenos-sympathisers to cripple the forces of the Imperium.


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Ya that would be devastating to gladius forces everywhere!

Alcibiades wrote:
A broad allies matrix makes it impossible to have balanced, distinct armies.

Think about it. I can make an army, for instance, that is based on short-range shooting. It's fragile. It's designed to be fast and hug cover, getting within range of the enemy that way. The fragility and short range are weakness, counterbalanced by the speed and whatever cover-enhancing abilities it has (Stealth, MtC, whatever).

But if it can ally with someone who has tough transports, you have removed the weakness. All it has are strengths.

I want to exalt this. . .

BrianDavion wrote:
suppose if an army was balanced around not having psykers and could take psker BBs it could potentially be an issue but I've never heard of it specificly being an issue in 7th edition.

My Tau FSE with Culexii support say, 'Hi!' They are desperate allies, but this doesn't really matter as they should never get close to one another.

 Anpu42 wrote:

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:
Allies is a new thing that wasn't there when I played.

Actually Allies have been around since Day 1.
They got rid of them until Witch Hunters and th Inquisition first showed up.

I will keep it simple. I like Allies, it lets me do few things
Play with the Models/Units I like and if you have the right Group the 'Rule Of Cool" makes some combinations fun.
Grey Hunters in Valkyries. It was the only real way to get Air Mobile Space Wolves till the last Codex.
It also lets you go old school and let Guard take Land Raiders, Rhinos and Land Speeders.

Perhaps we should go back to a similar system to those suggested in the WH\DH books? something like - take what you want but only a CAD's worth?

 luky7dayz wrote:
I would say change it, but if i use FSE and normal tau i want them to be able to share transports

I don't care about transports. I want there to be no invisible for the units I want to shoot at. . .

Mavnas wrote:
This thread is a vile attempt by Xenos-sympathisers to cripple the forces of the Imperium.

Anyway. I voted for remove BB, and I'm shocked, shocked that so few went with that particular option. With the removal of BB, allies would no longer be able to use each other's transports, and we wouldn't need to worry about a return to things like Taudar.

 carldooley wrote:


Perhaps we should go back to a similar system to those suggested in the WH\DH books? something like - take what you want but only a CAD's worth?

Honestly, as an Imperial player, I'd be fine with this. I got into the Hobby back in 3rd and with Witch Hunters no less (and yes I know starting with Witch Hunters was a bad idea, no need to remind me). When I run allied detachment it's generally within a battleforged structure. Admittedly this isn't hard when all of my armies are Battle Brothers but to me it just seems incoherent otherwise. At my LGS we'll do four or five weeks of open, unstructured play between multi-month leagues and campaigns which often have a narrative element. Even with the lore of my forces acting as a coherent battlegroup it still feels "not right" to just throw my Lamenters Chaplain in with my Skitarii. Why would he be there alone? The Skitarii don't care about any of his incantations and oratory. However a Chaplain with a few tactical squads and maybe an assault squad with some Skitarii on the fringes seems more reasonable. They're on hand to do Skitarii stuff while the Lamenters are on hand to stab people and do silly things with pistols.

So I'd be fine with a more rigid allied system, because I'm already using a self-enforced one and doing fine with it.