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Can't find a FAQ on the site so I'm asking here, what will be the ruling on the sanctuary relic for imperial knights? Will it be a second shield since it never states it replaces the stock one, allowing you to delcare two sides for the 4++ save, or no?

@tsilber

Ah, bummer! Hopefully we'll see you at another event.

@OverwatchCNC

See you there, buddy!


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FAQ is in the ITC section of the site:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NkfW26mcJHaqDKlaZyA3PB-prM0k17-DuTifGv2mOG4/pub

I do not see want FAQ on there for the sanctuary relic for imperial knights.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
I do not see want FAQ on there for the sanctuary relic for imperial knights.

Sometimes, you might have to wait a little while for the FAQ committee to make a ruling on such matters if you do not get an immediate response. Thus, you're going to have to have a little patience. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst. So if you're planning on running a Knight army, plan for only 1 side with the 4++. And if it is ruled to be 2 sides, then consider that a bonus. Btw, the ITC tends to be more conservative in their rulings historically. Just something to think abouut.

You're right and tbh I'm running it the same with that relic anyway. Just like you said, would be a bonus

Reecius where are you guys on the waitlist for 40K? And is there any chance that 40K will be extending or is your current total of tables firm?

Can I bring a Baneblade with my Renegades?

It's not listed under approved LoW. Infact, none of the Renegade LoW's besides the scorpion are. However, they are pretty much the same as the allowed vehicles in the Astra Militarum approved list.

 Grimwulfe wrote:
Reecius where are you guys on the waitlist for 40K? And is there any chance that 40K will be extending or is your current total of tables firm?

Unless they convince the hotel to knock out a few walls to give them some more room for extra tables, you're probably out of luck in that regard.

Budzerker wrote:
Can I bring a Baneblade with my Renegades?

It's not listed under approved LoW. Infact, none of the Renegade LoW's besides the scorpion are. However, they are pretty much the same as the allowed vehicles in the Astra Militarum approved list.

Are Chaos Renegades listed as Astra Militarum or Chaos? In Escalation it states that the Baneblade and various chassies can be taken as a LoW for an Astra Militarum army. I would assume that your Chaos Renegades would have to be considered an Astra Militarum army to take one.

 Kimchi Gamer wrote:

Budzerker wrote:
Can I bring a Baneblade with my Renegades?

It's not listed under approved LoW. Infact, none of the Renegade LoW's besides the scorpion are. However, they are pretty much the same as the allowed vehicles in the Astra Militarum approved list.

Are Chaos Renegades listed as Astra Militarum or Chaos? In Escalation it states that the Baneblade and various chassies can be taken as a LoW for an Astra Militarum army. I would assume that your Chaos Renegades would have to be considered an Astra Militarum army to take one.

They are from either IA5v2 or IA13 The baneblades are listed in their army lists but technically are not listed on the ITC approved list

 Bahkara wrote:

 Kimchi Gamer wrote:

Budzerker wrote:
Can I bring a Baneblade with my Renegades?

It's not listed under approved LoW. Infact, none of the Renegade LoW's besides the scorpion are. However, they are pretty much the same as the allowed vehicles in the Astra Militarum approved list.

Are Chaos Renegades listed as Astra Militarum or Chaos? In Escalation it states that the Baneblade and various chassies can be taken as a LoW for an Astra Militarum army. I would assume that your Chaos Renegades would have to be considered an Astra Militarum army to take one.

They are from either IA5v2 or IA13 The baneblades are listed in their army lists but technically are not listed on the ITC approved list

I would'nt worry too much about it. I'm pretty sure ITC will allow the Chaos variants of the Approved Imperial super-heavies.

Will you be allowing the new Tau monstrosity?

Eldercaveman wrote:
Will you be allowing the new Tau monstrosity?

considering we live in a world of codex WK/scatbike and battle companies having an ap 3 large blast ignores cover isnt too bad to counter lots of those things... remember the "apoc barrage" blast isnt the same size as a apoc blast template, in effect it is ~ a single large blast.

if anything, its worse, as it scatters (which I can modify with BS rerolls ect) then it "scatters" again into one of the several large blasts.

eldar not being the only ones with good ranged D can balance out a lot of things, and this LOW isnt as good as a WK in power level for the points.

Eldercaveman wrote:
Will you be allowing the new Tau monstrosity?

In all likelihood, it will be banned. Reece classifies this guy on the same level as the Warhound and the Revenant and those are all banned.

Which is silly. Tau need a usable low. Reece, please consider the following rule change of blasts larger than 5 inches do not gain the benefit of ignores cover

I also don't want to see the Tau monster. It's way underscored for what it does.

10 wounds? Seriously?

Hey guys let's not start a debate on which models are and are not going to be allowed just yet. We will keep everyone updated on legal models as we get closer to the event. I'm sure there will be plenty of releases from GW to grind your gears between now and February. Thanks!

 Kimchi Gamer wrote:
Hey guys let's not start a debate on which models are and are not going to be allowed just yet. We will keep everyone updated on legal models as we get closer to the event. I'm sure there will be plenty of releases from GW to grind your gears between now and February. Thanks!

Agreed.

Instead, it's time for rampant speculation on what the first Round prize will be given out:

LVO 2015 had First Round winners getting the tokens and markers. I missed out on that, having lost to Brandon Grant. Thanks, Brandon.


BAO 2015 had the Losers of the First Round getting stuff. Or it was like the first 10 losers? I dunno, as I won my Round One game.
Thanks to the guy who I dropped my WraithKnight on his models ... wait, that's *me* needing to apologize.


So, next Feb? Will it even be based on Round One results? "Swag" to those only getting Draws?

Will there be "Not Your Dad's Root Beer" give-aways, like last time?

Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback.

We will be updating the FAQ again soon, we've put up an FAQ questions submission form for your questions: https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2015/09/20/itc-40k-rules-question-submission-form/

The wait list is at 58 at present. We do have a little wiggle room with space, but won't know if we can open up more 40k until later in the year, unfortunately.

The Chaos LoW list will be updated this week.

The Tau Titan in all likelihood will not be allowed. Beyond being dramatically under-costed, it is a Titan class LoW, which we allow none of at this point in time. Same with the Revenant, Warhound, Heirophant, Daemon Lords, etc.

We will certainly have some goodies to give away at the LVO!

Reece

 Reecius wrote:
Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback.

We will be updating the FAQ again soon, we've put up an FAQ questions submission form for your questions: https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2015/09/20/itc-40k-rules-question-submission-form/

The wait list is at 58 at present. We do have a little wiggle room with space, but won't know if we can open up more 40k until later in the year, unfortunately.

The Chaos LoW list will be updated this week.

The Tau Titan in all likelihood will not be allowed. Beyond being dramatically under-costed, it is a Titan class LoW, which we allow none of at this point in time. Same with the Revenant, Warhound, Heirophant, Daemon Lords, etc.

We will certainly have some goodies to give away at the LVO!

Reece

That is good news about that tau model. Thank you

But a knight is a titan?

but not part of the "Titan" class

I know Im just being Snide. I knew when I read it it would not be allowed. Im jut hoping that tau have a LOW on the Dex, cause right now in ITC we dont have a usuable one. but all others do

Tau players can ally in wraithknights or even imperial knights.

Yes, but is isnt Their LOW, it is someone elses.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Yes, but is isnt Their LOW, it is someone elses.

Fluff-wise, the Tau won't *have* a LoW.

They'll have 'Ambassadors of Peace', who, failing to convince some people to join the Greater Good, will then call forth the anime robot destruction.

I think the knee-jerk to the tau titan is a bit excessive, and here are some things to keep in mind:

1) It eats up a significant portion of an army, unlike a wraithknight or imperial knight

2) This is the big one - it has no ability to ever be psychicly buffed. Unlike invisible/fortuned wraithknights and imperial knights. Or Tripartite lance giving you 3 kngihts as one unit all with invis, the Tau titan is what it is.

3) It has serious weaknesses to psychics (paroxysm, psychic shriek, insert shriek-power clones, etc) and to grav. A unit of D-scythes will run a train on it as easily as a wraithknight, centstars, cents in pods, etc etc

4) Without it, Tau have no viable choices for LOW unlike the majority of other races

5) Apocalyptic barrage is generally misunderstood. It's not some huge enormous barrage template of death. Its a huge template composed of multiple sections (large blasts). You scatter the whole thing, then you roll randomly to see which large blast piece of it the shot actually ends up coming from. It's pretty hard to control and is easier to think of a "Heavy 3, large blast, barrage, way more random and harder to control"

I agree we should see what the new codex does with it though, as there could be synergies we don't know of yet. But off the bat, I think it's on ~ the same level as the superheavies we currently have in game.

Edit: Also the response of "Tau players can just take a WK or IK" is a bit silly. It's akin to going "My codex is old, It needs an update" and responding with 'You can just play eldar". I mean yes, we can all take anything, but a consolation prize for banning something of one codex/race shouldn't be "you can play a different codex/race".

Unless they allow the Warhound, the Revenant, the Bio-titan, the Harridan and the Daemonlords, banning the Tau'nar (and I am not saying that they have banned it yet) would be consistent with their policies so far. It is also consistent for them to ban D 5"+ blasts that ignores cover, which it surely would with markerlights.

Of course, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they revisit this policy due to customer "demand". Their policies are, to an extent, community-based. Just don't keep your hopes up that the majority of the community will be in favor of it.

Agree - if the Tau'Nar is able to spend markerlights/benefit other ways from the new Tau codex, it may be worthy of banning. But purely how it stands now it doesn't seem that cringeworthy to me, compared to other items that are allowed

Target, the thing about players like you and me is that we are die-hard veteran tournament players who can and will adjust to any tournament comp thown our way. Nothing phases us, not super-heavies, not invincible deathstars, not even 100-yr old cheddar.

Frontline isn't concerned about us. We will adjust, we will drink and we will have a great time no matter the tournament ruleset. What they are more concerned about are the more casual players and the newer tournament-goers and their experiences. Hence why their policies/rulesets on the whole tend to be more conservative in nature and why the specific bans. Ironically, for such a conservative tournament, they are still ahead of some of the more "hardcore" RAW-based tournaments like NOVA/Adepticon/ATC in that they allow unlimited Forgeworld and the fact that they even allow any super-heavies at all!