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You already emailed me back, thank you

EDIT: is the war convocation formation going to be allowed in the narrative

make sure and check emails guys... if you're on that waiting list it looks like 80 of you are about to be happy!

Yeah, we opened up 80 more spots for the 40k champs! We'll have 364!! Soooo cool!

You said like over 500 people playing 40k at one time in the hall?

..............The Gamer Stench NO!!!!!

Not over 500 40k, no, we'll have over 420, though! Going to be awesome.

 Reecius wrote:
Not over 500 40k, no, we'll have over 420, though! Going to be awesome.

420..........Hmmmmmmmmmm

 Reecius wrote:
Not over 500 40k, no, we'll have over 420, though! Going to be awesome.

Got that Round 1 Challenge aspect in yet?

Wow that's very impressive !

Man its going to be brutally since even going 5-1 means you most likely wont make it to the final day. Might be time to add more Thunderhammers to my list.

How many do you guys have for the campaign

That right there is a massive tournament.

That is impressive beyond words. Holy $h*t!

I will have to add the LVO to my 2017 plans, I think. Sounds like a blast.

Do you have competitive separated from "fluffy" story-based events for those of us that aren't into smash-face 40k? (nothing wrong with it, just not my cup of bourbon).

Thank you for the support, everyone, we are very humbled and excited by the positive response.

40k Champs will have capacity for 364 and the Narrative is maxed out at 60. So, with no shows, we should have just about 400 40k players in the main hall at the same time, it will be pretty awesome!

Now that we have the capability to manufacture terrain, we will begin moving towards true standardization as well with a F.A.T. Mat on every table and a set of themed terrain for the mat. It will take till LVO 2017 to fully roll into that, but this year we'll have the beginnings of it! Very, very excited.

Plus, Warmachine is looking to hit the cap of 200! Going to be quite the spectacle.

 Panzer1944 wrote:
Man its going to be brutally since even going 5-1 means you most likely wont make it to the final day. Might be time to add more Thunderhammers to my list.

Man that's pretty harsh. I'm all about a big tournament, but how big is too big? Makes that one loss a lot more disheartening. Probably see more drop outs as rounds go along.

Guys, every Swiss style tournament works this way, haha. Unless it is a double elimination event, which isn't feasible with a game like 40k as the game itself takes too long to play. If you have 4 people in a Swiss format event and you lose a game you're out of contention to win, the number of players doesn't change that.

This is a 6 round event with a 3 round finals (9 in total for those that make the finals) round event, a "normal" 256 player event is 8 rounds and it's one loss and you're out. Adepticon, NOVA, WargamesCon, etc. are all the same way. If you don't have a full event (meaning 256 out of 256 show up) then you can still make the finals with a loss or tie as someone has to play up each round. So, especially with a tie, you are still in the hunt in most cases.

Now, how you handle retention can vary. NOVA does day two brackets, Adepticon has qualifiers for the finals (most people only play 1 day), etc.

At LVO, we have 2 days guaranteed for everyone in the 40k champs. Everyone plays Day 1 and 2, and the top 8 finalists go on to day 3 to play in the finals. So, for the vast majority of players, it feels like a pretty typical GT, 6 games in 2 days. Most players are competing for the "best of" prize for their faction which keeps people motivated and having fun.

We actually have a VERY low drop-out ratio for our events, traditionally. We have multiple events with 100% retention into day 2. In Vegas, if someone doesn't show up day two, it is usually because they're hung over, not because they don't want to play anymore! haha

 Reecius wrote:
Guys, every Swiss style tournament works this way, haha. Unless it is a double elimination event, which isn't feasible with a game like 40k as the game itself takes too long to play. If you have 4 people in a Swiss format event and you lose a game you're out of contention to win, the number of players doesn't change that.

This is a 6 round event with a 3 round finals (9 in total for those that make the finals) round event, a "normal" 256 player event is 8 rounds and it's one loss and you're out. Adepticon, NOVA, WargamesCon, etc. are all the same way. If you don't have a full event (meaning 256 out of 256 show up) then you can still make the finals with a loss or tie as someone has to play up each round. So, especially with a tie, you are still in the hunt in most cases.

Now, how you handle retention can vary. NOVA does day two brackets, Adepticon has qualifiers for the finals (most people only play 1 day), etc.

At LVO, we have 2 days guaranteed for everyone in the 40k champs. Everyone plays Day 1 and 2, and the top 8 finalists go on to day 3 to play in the finals. So, for the vast majority of players, it feels like a pretty typical GT, 6 games in 2 days. Most players are competing for the "best of" prize for their faction which keeps people motivated and having fun.

We actually have a VERY low drop-out ratio for our events, traditionally. We have multiple events with 100% retention into day 2. In Vegas, if someone doesn't show up day two, it is usually because they're hung over, not because they don't want to play anymore! haha

Nitpicking and all, but NOVA's only one-loss-and-out in a single track (of 3) and, similar to LVO, guarantees at least 6 rounds for all players. Also similar to LVO, the % of drops is actually not very high.

This should add a little credence here - having more people shouldn't cause that many negatives, and should just make it into a cooler, buzzier event.

Big 40K tournaments are rare, cool, and worth going to (obviously, by the sign-ups). Lots of 16-player RTTs abound worldwide for those just seeking best odds at winning some product.

Thanks for the clarification, buddy. And yeah, that's how I see it, too! Bigger=more excitement and fun for everyone.

Budzerker wrote:

 Panzer1944 wrote:
Man its going to be brutally since even going 5-1 means you most likely wont make it to the final day. Might be time to add more Thunderhammers to my list.

Man that's pretty harsh. I'm all about a big tournament, but how big is too big? Makes that one loss a lot more disheartening. Probably see more drop outs as rounds go along.

Last years LVO only had 3 people reach 6-0 and no one made it to 9-0. Sean overcame an early loss to win it all. I'd expect that trend again this year. Very deep pool with lots of sharks.

Ah, only 60 for the narrative event? Decent amount, but maybe in the future we can see it expanded to maybe 100 or more?

60 is a pretty dang big narrative event in my opinion, but hey! Haha, The limitation for that event is actually terrain. The guys running it make INCREDIBLE themed tables. They felt they could only increase their terrain assets enough to cover enough tables for 60 people, so they set that as their cap. For 2017, I am sure we can increase the number.

What is the list criteria for the narrative? Banned models or anything like that?

 Reecius wrote:
Guys, every Swiss style tournament works this way, haha. Unless it is a double elimination event, which isn't feasible with a game like 40k as the game itself takes too long to play. If you have 4 people in a Swiss format event and you lose a game you're out of contention to win, the number of players doesn't change that.

This is a 6 round event with a 3 round finals (9 in total for those that make the finals) round event, a "normal" 256 player event is 8 rounds and it's one loss and you're out. Adepticon, NOVA, WargamesCon, etc. are all the same way. If you don't have a full event (meaning 256 out of 256 show up) then you can still make the finals with a loss or tie as someone has to play up each round. So, especially with a tie, you are still in the hunt in most cases.

Now, how you handle retention can vary. NOVA does day two brackets, Adepticon has qualifiers for the finals (most people only play 1 day), etc.

At LVO, we have 2 days guaranteed for everyone in the 40k champs. Everyone plays Day 1 and 2, and the top 8 finalists go on to day 3 to play in the finals. So, for the vast majority of players, it feels like a pretty typical GT, 6 games in 2 days. Most players are competing for the "best of" prize for their faction which keeps people motivated and having fun.

We actually have a VERY low drop-out ratio for our events, traditionally. We have multiple events with 100% retention into day 2. In Vegas, if someone doesn't show up day two, it is usually because they're hung over, not because they don't want to play anymore! haha

coming from the guy who drop on day 2 at Throne of Skulls back in 2011 I hope that Asian chick is worth it

Will there be decent prices beer

PanzerLeader wrote:

Budzerker wrote:

 Panzer1944 wrote:
Man its going to be brutally since even going 5-1 means you most likely wont make it to the final day. Might be time to add more Thunderhammers to my list.

Man that's pretty harsh. I'm all about a big tournament, but how big is too big? Makes that one loss a lot more disheartening. Probably see more drop outs as rounds go along.

Last years LVO only had 3 people reach 6-0 and no one made it to 9-0. Sean overcame an early loss to win it all. I'd expect that trend again this year. Very deep pool with lots of sharks.

With fewer than 512, then yes, it's a distinct possibility. If it were closer to 512, then someone would likely go undefeated (though technically, you could have enough ties that it didn't happen).

 DarkLink wrote:

PanzerLeader wrote:

Budzerker wrote:

 Panzer1944 wrote:
Man its going to be brutally since even going 5-1 means you most likely wont make it to the final day. Might be time to add more Thunderhammers to my list.

Man that's pretty harsh. I'm all about a big tournament, but how big is too big? Makes that one loss a lot more disheartening. Probably see more drop outs as rounds go along.

Last years LVO only had 3 people reach 6-0 and no one made it to 9-0. Sean overcame an early loss to win it all. I'd expect that trend again this year. Very deep pool with lots of sharks.

With fewer than 512, then yes, it's a distinct possibility. If it were closer to 512, then someone would likely go undefeated (though technically, you could have enough ties that it didn't happen).

I think the opposite is likely. The current meta gives two list building types: TAC lists and exploitative lists. TAC lists try to be balanced and while generally competitive in every match, they are only rarely going to have a huge competitive advantage and often play with a slight disadvantage. Exploitative lists (by which I mean lists that generally try to build around one aspect of the game to maximize its potential, like FMC spam) are generally stronger but unbalanced and much more prone to being severely disadvantaged in a particular matchup. The larger the tournament and the more rounds it goes, the more likely everyone hits a bad match or hits the "tough luck" game where good decision making is overcome by bad dice. At 300+ people, you need a huge run of luck in the pairings process to get to 6-0 in addition to being a good player.

Reece, how many 40K GT tickets left? I have a few buddies looking for some.

We have some more tickets left for the 40k champs! We added 80 more spots but let the wait list get first crack at them (obviously). We have some left, Get em while they're hot, not many left! http://store.frontlinegaming.org/warhammer-40k-championships/dp/12863

Is the alcohol gonna be expensive haha

It will be Vegas priced, so compared to the grocery store, yeah. It will be less than at a baseball game though, haha!