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So with most training camps starting this week figured it was that time. Despite everything surrounding the Patriots, they are still the reigning Super Bowl champions with a ring for every finger on Pierre-Paul's hand... Even if Brady misses all 4 games in still pretty excited for this year.
Also sometime in the next week I'll be getting the Pick-em and fantasy leagues re-upped and ready to go.
Still not sold on the Eagles QB situation. Bradford goes down it's the end of his career, leaving Sanchez and maybe Tebow...
Of all the races of the universe the Squats have the longest memories and the shortest tempers. They are uncouth, unpredictably violent, and frequently drunk. Overall, I'm glad they're on our side!
Office of Naval Intelligence Research discovers 3 out of 4 sailors make up 75% of U.S. Navy.
"Madness is like gravity... All you need is a little push."
Hate to start this but...if Brady serves a day of his suspension - I am boycotting the whole season. As it is a farce.
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
Haha, guess I deserve that. It's the way I feel though.
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kronk wrote: I'm not a lawyer, but I think Brady is going to serve all 4 games of that suspension.
Well if you heard that from ESPN - I would completely disregard it. Their coverage of the whole thing has been pretty biased towards the NFL's decision here - pretty sure they are required to.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
Xenomancers wrote: Haha, guess I deserve that. It's the way I feel though.
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kronk wrote: I'm not a lawyer, but I think Brady is going to serve all 4 games of that suspension.
Well if you heard that from ESPN - I would completely disregard it. Their coverage of the whole thing has been pretty biased towards the NFL's decision here - pretty sure they are required to.
Because ESPN are the only news source for nfl fans?
In case you haven't realised it's moved beyond the deflating aspect and into a power struggle essentially between the NFLPA & the Commissioner and how punishments should be handled
Currently debating whether to study for my exams or paint some Deathwing
Xenomancers wrote: Haha, guess I deserve that. It's the way I feel though.
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kronk wrote: I'm not a lawyer, but I think Brady is going to serve all 4 games of that suspension.
Well if you heard that from ESPN - I would completely disregard it. Their coverage of the whole thing has been pretty biased towards the NFL's decision here - pretty sure they are required to.
Because ESPN are the only news source for nfl fans?
In case you haven't realised it's moved beyond the deflating aspect and into a power struggle essentially between the NFLPA & the Commissioner and how punishments should be handled
I think the NFLPA and the League should put together an exhaustive list of all the naughty things a person can do and assign punishments to them.
1. Don't throw fireworks at fans (fething Vince Coleman). That's a paddlin'.
2. Don't hit your wife. That's 3 games and a paddlin'.
3. Don't push your wife. That's 1 game and two paddlin's.
4. Don't deflate the football. That's 17 games.
5. Don't stick a roman candle in your bum and call yourself a Sherman Tank. The burns on your ass are punishment enough. Plus a paddlin'.
Xenomancers wrote: Haha, guess I deserve that. It's the way I feel though.
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kronk wrote: I'm not a lawyer, but I think Brady is going to serve all 4 games of that suspension.
Well if you heard that from ESPN - I would completely disregard it. Their coverage of the whole thing has been pretty biased towards the NFL's decision here - pretty sure they are required to.
Because ESPN are the only news source for nfl fans?
In case you haven't realised it's moved beyond the deflating aspect and into a power struggle essentially between the NFLPA & the Commissioner and how punishments should be handled
The major issue here is that in the collective bargaining agreement the NFLPA gave goddell the power to be judge, jury, and executioner. Doing the math of how many players per suspensions it comes out to ~2% of the NFL players per year that face a suspension for disciplinary reasons. I don't think the rest of the players in the NFL will be all about changing that as most of them never conduct themselves in such a manner that they require disciplinary action. The courts will rule in favor of upholding the bargaining agreement, as its not their place to get between a union and employer when both sides have amicably agreed upon. Looking at the ruling of the last wife beater (forgot his name) took his appeal of the 10 game suspension to the courts and the courts ruled in favor of keeping the suspension in line with the current policy of the NFL at the time, which was 2 games. His 10 game suspension was given out after the policy had changed to that but the incident did not. The courts are not in the business of getting between things that already have a clear agreement or policy that is documented. Brady will lose his case but still be able to defend his character by saying he was wrongly found guilty and that his fight to the bitter end will help him maintain that image. Should he had bargained then it would have been harder as that would have been some kind of admission of guilt in the public eye.
RoperPG wrote: Blimey, it's very salty in here...
Any more vegans want to put forth their opinions on bacon?
The major issue here is that in the collective bargaining agreement the NFLPA gave goddell the power to be judge, jury, and executioner. Doing the math of how many players per suspensions it comes out to ~2% of the NFL players per year that face a suspension for disciplinary reasons. I don't think the rest of the players in the NFL will be all about changing that as most of them never conduct themselves in such a manner that they require disciplinary action. The courts will rule in favor of upholding the bargaining agreement, as its not their place to get between a union and employer when both sides have amicably agreed upon. Looking at the ruling of the last wife beater (forgot his name) took his appeal of the 10 game suspension to the courts and the courts ruled in favor of keeping the suspension in line with the current policy of the NFL at the time, which was 2 games. His 10 game suspension was given out after the policy had changed to that but the incident did not. The courts are not in the business of getting between things that already have a clear agreement or policy that is documented. Brady will lose his case but still be able to defend his character by saying he was wrongly found guilty and that his fight to the bitter end will help him maintain that image. Should he had bargained then it would have been harder as that would have been some kind of admission of guilt in the public eye.
While yes the NFLPA did give Goodell too much power in the last CBA he has been inconsistent with punishments dealt out to players for offences, Ray rice was handed out 2 games until video footage appeared then his suspension was boosted to 10 games, Greg Hardy (Who was never convicted of domestic assault was placed on the exempt list jbut a repeat offender like Ray McDonald has never had such a punishment levied against him. Like Kronk says there should be a set list of X punishment gets you Y sentence like the justice system has (With some discretion over the exact length of sentence)
Also there appears to be a least some validity to the view Goddell is punishing Brady for not handing over & destroying his phone to Tedd Wells (Who had no authority to demand & neither did he but for Brady to voluntarily it over would hurt the union as whole by setting a precedent)
Currently debating whether to study for my exams or paint some Deathwing
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote: Like Kronk says there should be a set list of X punishment gets you Y sentence like the justice system has (With some discretion over the exact length of sentence)
I find it odd that the NFL, like MLB and others DO have a set punishment for somethings, like gambling and PEDs, but in their ~100 years or so, they haven't ever thought to come up with something more comprehensive....
Anyhow, I actually was about to start a thread on this, but I've the feeling it's more NFL related:
AZ Cardinals are (believed to be) the first team to hire a female assistant coach. And from another article that I've read, the players' response has been overwhelmingly positive.
Yah the Jen Walters thing is such an awesome story. I wonder how it will work long term.
And i have been harping on this for MONTHS, but anyone who has taken any amount of time whatsoever to educate themselves on the framegate crap understands Brady is innocent and this whole thing has been a sham. There are literally hundreds of holes in the wells report, the NFL has constantly smeared Brady and the Patriots with innacurate leaked info. The transcripts from Brady's appeal illustrate how hilariously incompetent and stupid the NFL officials are.
There is definitely a settlement coming and my guess is the same as it's always been, suspense reduced to purely fines.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also just renewed the fantasy league. I'll post info in a bit but all owners from last year should have gotten an email. Will be renewing the pick em as well.
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And yeah, when I saw the Walters thing on my FB feed, I made the mistake of looking through the comments.... I think I lost about a touchdown's worth of IQ points for it.
She not only has "football" IQ, she actually got her start in rugby. Not to mention, as I said, the players that she's coaching all pretty much are saying the same thing "If the coach knows their gak, I don't care who it is. All I care about is making the team better" I do hope that it opens some more doors for people, as well as some others seeing how awesome a sport rugby is.
The major issue here is that in the collective bargaining agreement the NFLPA gave goddell the power to be judge, jury, and executioner. Doing the math of how many players per suspensions it comes out to ~2% of the NFL players per year that face a suspension for disciplinary reasons. I don't think the rest of the players in the NFL will be all about changing that as most of them never conduct themselves in such a manner that they require disciplinary action. The courts will rule in favor of upholding the bargaining agreement, as its not their place to get between a union and employer when both sides have amicably agreed upon. Looking at the ruling of the last wife beater (forgot his name) took his appeal of the 10 game suspension to the courts and the courts ruled in favor of keeping the suspension in line with the current policy of the NFL at the time, which was 2 games. His 10 game suspension was given out after the policy had changed to that but the incident did not. The courts are not in the business of getting between things that already have a clear agreement or policy that is documented. Brady will lose his case but still be able to defend his character by saying he was wrongly found guilty and that his fight to the bitter end will help him maintain that image. Should he had bargained then it would have been harder as that would have been some kind of admission of guilt in the public eye.
While yes the NFLPA did give Goodell too much power in the last CBA he has been inconsistent with punishments dealt out to players for offences, Ray rice was handed out 2 games until video footage appeared then his suspension was boosted to 10 games, Greg Hardy (Who was never convicted of domestic assault was placed on the exempt list jbut a repeat offender like Ray McDonald has never had such a punishment levied against him. Like Kronk says there should be a set list of X punishment gets you Y sentence like the justice system has (With some discretion over the exact length of sentence)
Also there appears to be a least some validity to the view Goddell is punishing Brady for not handing over & destroying his phone to Tedd Wells (Who had no authority to demand & neither did he but for Brady to voluntarily it over would hurt the union as whole by setting a precedent)
I agree he has been a bit inconsistent and that's where the courts have changed rulings by him to fall more in line with the policies set by the nfl and his previous punishments. With this instance there is no precedence for punishment. The 4 game suspension is in line with the NFL policy on PED's which Goddell can use this as a guide for players trying to gain an unfair advantage. However this ends up playing out I think it will become a new NFL policy. Trying to gain an unfair advantage by using altered or banned equipment (sticky spray if anyone remembers that stuff). The main thing to remember this is not a trial, there is no guarantee of due process. I think that Brady's unwillingness to turn over his phone (which is his right) was unable to satisfactorily prove his innocence and on this I believe that Goddell made the determination that he was to be suspended based on the report by the "investigation".
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RoperPG wrote: Blimey, it's very salty in here...
Any more vegans want to put forth their opinions on bacon?
Goodell has been that way since the beginning. That's why the Steelers were the only players not to ratify the CBA...they saw how he handled some of their teammates. Now the rest of the league sees it too..but it's too late. They gave Goodell their permission to be judge, jury, and executioner. *shrug*
Very interesting year for the Steelers. Barring injury, the offense should be outstanding. Meanwhile, the defense has reloaded with a lot of fresh faces...but can they come together?
gorgon wrote: Goodell has been that way since the beginning. That's why the Steelers were the only players not to ratify the CBA...they saw how he handled some of their teammates. Now the rest of the league sees it too..but it's too late. They gave Goodell their permission to be judge, jury, and executioner. *shrug*
Very interesting year for the Steelers. Barring injury, the offense should be outstanding. Meanwhile, the defense has reloaded with a lot of fresh faces...but can they come together?
I am defiantly looking to see what the steelers are going to do this year on offense. I have Le'Veon Bell and big Ben on my depth charts for the upcoming fantasy drafts. I have a feeling that the offense there in pittsburg is going to produce very well this year.
RoperPG wrote: Blimey, it's very salty in here...
Any more vegans want to put forth their opinions on bacon?
gorgon wrote: Goodell has been that way since the beginning. That's why the Steelers were the only players not to ratify the CBA...they saw how he handled some of their teammates. Now the rest of the league sees it too..but it's too late. They gave Goodell their permission to be judge, jury, and executioner. *shrug*
Very interesting year for the Steelers. Barring injury, the offense should be outstanding. Meanwhile, the defense has reloaded with a lot of fresh faces...but can they come together?
I am defiantly looking to see what the steelers are going to do this year on offense. I have Le'Veon Bell and big Ben on my depth charts for the upcoming fantasy drafts. I have a feeling that the offense there in pittsburg is going to produce very well this year.
My best guess is that fantasy owners will be happy. I expect the defense to struggle early on, which could lead to some shootout games. Martavis Bryant is another Steeler to keep your eye on for later rounds.
gorgon wrote: Goodell has been that way since the beginning. That's why the Steelers were the only players not to ratify the CBA...they saw how he handled some of their teammates. Now the rest of the league sees it too..but it's too late. They gave Goodell their permission to be judge, jury, and executioner. *shrug*
Very interesting year for the Steelers. Barring injury, the offense should be outstanding. Meanwhile, the defense has reloaded with a lot of fresh faces...but can they come together?
I am defiantly looking to see what the steelers are going to do this year on offense. I have Le'Veon Bell and big Ben on my depth charts for the upcoming fantasy drafts. I have a feeling that the offense there in pittsburg is going to produce very well this year.
My best guess is that fantasy owners will be happy. I expect the defense to struggle early on, which could lead to some shootout games. Martavis Bryant is another Steeler to keep your eye on for later rounds.
Yes for sure. He is one who will likely be around for many rounds and his production should be decent as a 2nd or 3rd WR on my fantasy roster.
RoperPG wrote: Blimey, it's very salty in here...
Any more vegans want to put forth their opinions on bacon?
IAmTheWalrus wrote:I'm really looking forward to fantasy again this year. Maybe this year I'll go all the way...
Plus, it seems like it could be an awesome year for the Colts, what with picking up Andre Johnson and Frank Gore.
I know I'm looking forward to game 5 of the 2015 season!
gorgon wrote:Goodell has been that way since the beginning. That's why the Steelers were the only players not to ratify the CBA...they saw how he handled some of their teammates. Now the rest of the league sees it too..but it's too late. They gave Goodell their permission to be judge, jury, and executioner. *shrug*
But he still has to follow the guidelines/rules/etc. - and he and the NFL don't really appear to have actually done a good job there...
