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All I have to say is CALLED IT!!!!!!!!

There are times when Dan Price feels as if he stumbled into the middle of the street with a flag and found himself at the head of a parade.

Three months ago, Mr. Price, 31, announced he was setting a new minimum salary of $70,000 at his Seattle credit card processing firm, Gravity Payments, and slashing his own million-dollar pay package to do it. He wasn’t thinking about the current political clamor over low wages or the growing gap between rich and poor, he said. He was just thinking of the 120 people who worked for him and, let’s be honest, a bit of free publicity. The idea struck him when a friend shared her worries about paying both her rent and student loans on a $40,000 salary. He realized a lot of his own employees earned that or less.

Yet almost overnight, a decision by one small-business man in the northwestern corner of the country became a swashbuckling blow against income inequality.

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The move drew attention from around the world — including from some outspoken skeptics and conservatives like Rush Limbaugh, who smelled a socialist agenda — but most were enthusiastic. Talk show hosts lined up to interview Mr. Price. Job seekers by the thousands sent in résumés. He was called a “thought leader.” Harvard business professors flew out to conduct a case study. Third graders wrote him thank-you notes. Single women wanted to date him.

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About 70 percent of the businesses that occupy the Pike Place Market in downtown Seattle use Gravity to process their credit card payments. Credit Ruth Fremson/The New York Times
What few outsiders realized, however, was how much turmoil all the hoopla was causing at the company itself. To begin with, Gravity was simply unprepared for the onslaught of emails, Facebook posts and phone calls. The attention was thrilling, but it was also exhausting and distracting. And with so many eyes focused on the firm, some hoping to witness failure, the pressure has been intense.

More troubling, a few customers, dismayed by what they viewed as a political statement, withdrew their business. Others, anticipating a fee increase — despite repeated assurances to the contrary — also left. While dozens of new clients, inspired by Mr. Price’s announcement, were signing up, those accounts will not start paying off for at least another year. To handle the flood, he has already had to hire a dozen additional employees — now at a significantly higher cost — and is struggling to figure out whether more are needed without knowing for certain how long the bonanza will last.

Two of Mr. Price’s most valued employees quit, spurred in part by their view that it was unfair to double the pay of some new hires while the longest-serving staff members got small or no raises. Some friends and associates in Seattle’s close-knit entrepreneurial network were also piqued that Mr. Price’s action made them look stingy in front of their own employees.

Then potentially the worst blow of all: Less than two weeks after the announcement, Mr. Price’s older brother and Gravity co-founder, Lucas Price, citing longstanding differences, filed a lawsuit that potentially threatened the company’s very existence. With legal bills quickly mounting and most of his own paycheck and last year’s $2.2 million in profits plowed into the salary increases, Dan Price said, “We don’t have a margin of error to pay those legal fees.”

As Mr. Price spoke in the Gravity conference room, he could see a handful of employees setting up beach chairs in the parking lot for an impromptu meeting. The office is in Ballard, a fast-gentrifying neighborhood of Seattle that reflects the wealth gap that Mr. Price says he wants to address. Downstairs is a yoga studio, and across the street is a coffee bar where customers can sip velvet soy lattes on Adirondack-style chairs. But around the corner, beneath the elevated roadway, a homeless woman silently appeals to drivers stopped at the red light with a cardboard sign: “Plz Help.”

In his own way, Mr. Price is trying to respond to that request.

“Income inequality has been racing in the wrong direction,” he said. “I want to fight for the idea that if someone is intelligent, hard-working and does a good job, then they are entitled to live a middle-class lifestyle.”

The reaction to his salary pledge has led him to think that if his business continues to prosper, his actions could have far-reaching consequences. “The cause has expanded,” he said. “Whether I like it or not, the stakes are higher.”

On a recent weekday evening, Mr. Price confidently threaded his way through clumps of tourists and past the rows of flowers and fruits that line Pike Place Market in downtown Seattle. About 70 percent of the businesses that occupy this nearly century-old marketplace use Gravity to process their credit card payments, Mr. Price said. He started courting customers there more than 11 years ago, while still attending Seattle Pacific University, a small Christian college. He would go from stall to stall, shaking hands, scribbling down phone numbers. Early on, he signed up Pure Food Fish. The shop was a backdrop in the film “Sleepless in Seattle,” but more important, it was run by the 86-year-old Solly Amon, who inherited the pocket store from his father and is lovingly known as the “cod father.” When other merchants heard Mr. Amon trusted Dan, they did too.

“They give us tremendous service,” Mr. Amon said. He remembered an incident years ago when Mr. Price had a new credit card machine up and running within three hours after his old one died.

In addition to providing the devices and software that merchants use when a customer whips out a credit card, Gravity makes sure the money shifts securely and quickly among buyer, bank and business. In an industry dominated by global banking giants and mammoth processors, the company last year processed $6.5 billion in sales for 12,000 clients, most of them small and medium-size businesses.

Was Mr. Amon bothered by Mr. Price’s new payroll policy? “He takes care of his business, and I’ll take care of my business,” he declared.

Brian Canlis, a co-owner of his family-named restaurant, is also a client. He said he was fond of Mr. Price, but was more discomfited by his actions. Mr. Canlis is already worried about how to deal with Seattle’s new minimum wage, which rose to $11 an hour in April and is scheduled to reach $15 an hour for small businesses within five years.

The pay raise at Gravity, Mr. Canlis told Mr. Price, “makes it harder for the rest of us.”

Mr. Price winced. “It pains me to hear Brian Canlis say that,” he said later. “The last thing I would ever want to do is make a client feel uncomfortable.”

But any plan that has the potential, as Mr. Price has put it, to “set the world on fire,” is bound to make some people squirm. Leah Brajcich, who oversees sales at Gravity, fielded complaints from several customers who accused her boss of communist or socialist sympathies that would drive up their own employees’ wages and others who felt it was a public relations stunt. A few were worried that fees would rise or service would fall off. “What’s their incentive to hustle if you pay them so much?” Ms. Brajcich said they asked. Putting in 80-hour weeks after the announcement, she called the mistrustful clients, stopping by their offices or stores, and invited them to visit Gravity to see for themselves the employees’ dedication. She said she eventually lured most back.

As for other business leaders in Mr. Price’s social circle, they were split on whether he was a brilliant strategist or simply nuts. As much as they respected him, they were also disturbed. “I worry how that’s going to impact other businesses,” said Steve Duffield, the chief executive of the DACO Corporation, who met Mr. Price through the Entrepreneurs’ Organization in Seattle. “We can’t afford to do that. For most businesses, employees are the biggest expense and they need to manage those costs in order to survive.”

Roger Reynolds, a co-owner of a wealth management company, said his discussion of the pay plan with Mr. Price got heated. “My wife and I got so frustrated with him at a cocktail party, we literally left,” said Mr. Reynolds, who complained that Mr. Price unfairly accused him of measuring his self-worth solely in terms of money and trying to hold somebody else down. Everyone may have equal rights, but not equal talent or motivation, Mr. Reynolds said. “I think he’s trying to bring in some political and aspirational beliefs into the compensation structure of the workplace.”

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Dan Price, the chief executive of Gravity Payments, estimated his current net worth at about $3 million. Credit Matthew Ryan Williams for The New York Times
If there was a 19th-century thinker Mr. Price drew inspiration from, it would be not Karl Marx, but Russell Conwell, the Baptist minister and Temple University founder, whose famed “Acres of Diamonds” speech fused Christianity and capitalism. “To make money honestly is to preach the Gospel,” Mr. Conwell exhorted his listeners. To get rich “is our Christian and godly duty.”

Growing up in rural southwestern Idaho, Mr. Price frequently listened to a recording of the speech on tape.

Every day he and his four brothers and one sister rose as early as 5 a.m. to recite a proverb, a psalm, a Gospel chapter and an excerpt from the Old and New Testaments. Home-schooled until he was 12 and taught to accept the Bible as the literal truth, Mr. Price also listened to the Rush Limbaugh show for three hours a day — never imagining he would one day be the subject of a rant by the host. Then it was time to help his mother with organic gardening, composting and recycling.

Like his siblings, Dan was fiercely competitive, said his father, Ron Price, and hard on himself if he didn’t come in first at Bible memorization contests, backyard football or board games like Life and Monopoly. “Dan has always been a deal maker,” said his father, who is now a management consultant.

The isolation did not prepare Mr. Price for the complex social interactions of junior high school. He was awkward, out of place. He remembered joining in when a group of children started laughing, only to later realize that he had been the target of their ridicule.

His experiences did reinforce an independent, contrarian streak even as he made a place for himself in the teenagers’ terrain. He formed a rock band and got a girlfriend. After their first hug at 17, her conservative Christian father demanded to know his intentions. The two were engaged, and they married four years later. (They divorced amicably in 2011.)

His parents instilled a sense of purpose. “We had a family mission” to glorify God, he said. The household was run as a “family business” with jobs and responsibilities carefully set out in charts and diagrams. “All my siblings hated it, but I thought it was cool,” Mr. Price said with a laugh.

Mr. Price is no longer so religious, but the values and faith he grew up on are “in my DNA,” he said. “It’s just something that’s part of me.”

He transferred that zeal to his credit card processing business, which he started out of his dorm room in 2004 with his brother Lucas, five years his senior.

He preached Main Street capitalism that promised to deliver good value, low prices and individual service. His success won him a shelf full of local business awards and even a chance to meet President Obama during National Small Business Week when he was just 25. Though he now has the shoulder-length hair and beard of a hipster, back then he looked like a baby-faced Donny Osmond and sounded like Alex P. Keaton, the eager beaver Republican played by Michael J. Fox on the 1980s sitcom “Family Ties.” He did not actively oppose Seattle’s minimum-wage increase, but a reason he urges other business owners to follow his lead on pay is to avoid more government regulation.

Mr. Price’s drive to succeed, fierce commitment to help small businesses and exacting standards attracted other business-minded idealists. Some even took pay cuts to work at Gravity. Keeping an existing client is more important than getting a new one, he decreed. Never make a caller hear more than two rings before picking up.

Nydelis Ortiz, 25, a former Peace Corps volunteer in Peru (not to mention the 2010 Miss Vermont), said she was drawn to his passion and community volunteer projects. Emery Wager, 30, a Stanford engineering graduate and a former Marine, decided to forgo applying to Harvard Business School so he could work closely with Mr. Price. (He felt vindicated when a Harvard friend who had ridiculed his decision told him Gravity’s pay scale was discussed in class.)

Maisey McMaster was also one of the believers. Now 26, she joined the company five years ago and worked her way up to financial manager, putting in long hours that left little time for her husband and extended family. “There’s a special culture,” where people “work hard and play hard,” she said. “I love everyone there.”

She helped calculate whether the firm could afford to gradually raise everyone’s salary to $70,000 over a three-year period, and was initially swept up in the excitement. But the more she thought about it, the more the details gnawed at her.

“He gave raises to people who have the least skills and are the least equipped to do the job, and the ones who were taking on the most didn’t get much of a bump,” she said. To her, a fairer proposal would have been to give smaller increases with the opportunity to earn a future raise with more experience.

A couple of days after the announcement, she decided to talk to Mr. Price.

“He treated me as if I was being selfish and only thinking about myself,” she said. “That really hurt me. I was talking about not only me, but about everyone in my position.”

Already approaching burnout from the relentless pace, she decided to quit.

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Maisey McMaster, a former financial planner at Gravity Payments, quit after the salary announcement. Credit Matthew Ryan Williams for The New York Times
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The new pay scale also helped push Grant Moran, 29, Gravity’s web developer, to leave. “I had a lot of mixed emotions,” he said. His own salary was bumped up to $50,000 from $41,000 (the first stage of the raise), but the policy was nevertheless disconcerting. “Now the people who were just clocking in and out were making the same as me,” he complained. “It shackles high performers to less motivated team members.”

Mr. Moran also fretted that the extra money could over time become too enticing to give up, keeping him from his primary goal of further developing his web skills and moving to a digital company.

And the attention was vexing. “I was kind of uncomfortable and didn’t like having my wage advertised so publicly and so blatantly,” he said, echoing a sentiment of several Gravity staff members. “It changed perspectives and expectations of you, whether it’s the amount you tip on a cup of coffee that day or family and friends now calling you for a loan.”

Several employees who stayed, while exhilarated by the raises, say they now feel a lot of pressure. “Am I doing my job well enough to deserve this?” said Stephanie Brooks, 23, who joined Gravity as an administrative assistant two months before the wage increase. “I didn’t earn it.”

When Mr. Price chose $70,000 as the eventual salary floor, he was influenced by research showing that this annual income could make an enormous difference in someone’s emotional well-being by easing nagging financial stress.

He might have also considered the parable of the workers in the vineyard from the Gospel of St. Matthew, where the laborers hired at sunup were upset that their pay was the same as those who showed up right before quitting time. Early adopters and latecomers may be equally welcomed in the Kingdom of Heaven, but not necessarily in the earthly realm, where rewards are generally bestowed in paycheck form.

As for the raw feelings of friends or staff members, Mr. Price readily admits that he can be contentious, even censorious. A disagreement often comes across as a personal attack. “It’s just as painful for me as anyone else,” he said.

Mr. Price, who extolled Ms. McMaster’s talents, said he didn’t think she, Mr. Moran or even Rush Limbaugh was wrong. “There’s no perfect way to do this and no way to handle complex workplace issues that doesn’t have any downsides or trade-offs,” he said. When other entrepreneurs suggested that stock options or profit-sharing would have been a better approach, he said that’s the way capitalism works: Everyone tries to invent the best mousetrap. “I came up with the best solution I could.”

And the publicity surrounding it has generated tangible benefits. Three months before the announcement, the firm had been adding 200 clients a month. In June, 350 signed up.

That new business won’t start paying off for 12 to 18 months, however, Mr. Price said, and in the meantime, he is contending with the lawsuit brought by his brother. Lucas Price owns about 30 percent of their company, although he has not actively been involved in day-to-day operations for several years. There had been tensions between the two long before the new pay plan, and Lucas is demanding that Dan buy him out for an unspecified amount, plus damages.

Lucas, who lives in Seattle, declined to be interviewed but wrote in an email: “Dan has taken millions of dollars out of the company for himself while denying me the benefits of the ownership of my shares, and otherwise favoring his own interests as the majority shareholder over my interests.” He said his complaints predated the pay raises.

Even so, they clearly are critical to the outcome. With profits, at least in the short term, shifted to salaries, there is little left over to buy out his brother, let alone pay the legal bills or make longer-term capital improvements in the company, Dan said.

Flabbergasted when the suit arrived, Dan said he was puzzled by the accusations, saying that Lucas agreed to his $1.1 million salary and bonus package, instituted for 2012.

Family fighting over a business can be ugly and is often about more than just money. Dan conceded he may have previously given short shrift to Lucas’s contributions. “Who knows if I would have had the opportunity to build the company without him helping me out in the first couple of years?” he said.

Lucas was the best man at his wedding, and the two, close friends, often hiked, surfed and attended ballgames together. By the end, “being in business together was the worst thing for our relationship,” Dan said. After the lawsuit was filed, he said he called the rest of his family and told them to offer “unconditional love and support” to both Lucas and him. (Their younger brother Alex, 23, also works at the company.)

While it is upsetting to see two of his sons at odds, Ron Price said, “their mother and me don’t lose sleep over it. I think they’ll get it sorted out.”

Dan Price, who estimated his current net worth, including his home, at about $3 million, said he had offered to “give up everything I have personally and everything I’ll have for years to come.” A court date has been set for May.

For now, at least, Mr. Price has undoubtedly made an immediate difference in the lives of many of his employees. José Garcia, 30, who supervises an equipment team, was able to afford to move into the city and replace the worn tires on his car. Ms. Ortiz, who was briefly homeless as a child, can now visit her family in Burlington, Vt. Cody Boorman, 22, who handles operations out of his eastern Washington home, said he and his wife finally felt financially secure enough to start a family.

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There have been other ripples. Mario Zahariev, who runs Pop’s Pizza & Pasta, switched to Gravity after seeing Mr. Price on the news. When he learned his monthly processing fees would drop to $900 from $1,700, Mr. Zahariev decided, “I was not going to keep the difference for myself.” He used the savings to raise the salaries of his eight employees.

Pop’s Pizza aside, Mr. Price’s plan is not easily replicated, said Nick Hanauer, a Seattle venture capitalist and an early promoter of the city’s $15 minimum wage law. Still, he noted, “These individual acts can create a new kind of perception of what’s possible and what’s righteous.” After all, he said, two years ago, no one would ever have guessed higher minimum wage laws would be catching fire in cities around the country. “Who can tell what that last thing is that catalyzes big change?”

In that sense, Mr. Price’s foray into the public debate on wages is not unlike his newfound passion of wake surfing. Cruising atop the curl of a wave created by a motorboat isn’t easy. Lean too far ahead of the swell or drift behind it and you wipe out. For the moment, he is balancing on the crest, enjoying the ride and doing his best to keep from falling off.



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Like i said when this happened, people will be people.
I mean really? you thought that suddenly raising your companies operating ceiling will help you?

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Got a tl;dr version??

I think I got through about a 3rd of it (where the brother shows up suing the crap out of them) before the wall got to me....
   
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Yeah, did the brother sue over that, or is it totally unrelated? If it's not related, it's not really.... a coherent point.

not reading all that unformatted nonsense

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All I have to say is CALLED IT!!!!!!!!


1)...great?
2) Where exactly did you 'call it' - some campus get together?
3) For the love of everything - formatting!

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I'm seeing a lot of speculation in that article.


 
   
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Ouze wrote:
Yeah, did the brother sue over that, or is it totally unrelated? If it's not related, it's not really.... a coherent point.

not reading all that unformatted nonsense


Claims it was issues from before it, but appears as if this was the final straw that tipped it.

   
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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Got a tl;dr version??


Nice guy gets flak from jealous, petty donkey-caves and neoliberal fundamentalists for giving his employees a decent wage.

Also has a falling out with his brother and business partner which amy or may not be related to the above.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Got a tl;dr version??


Nice guy gets flak from jealous, petty donkey-caves and neoliberal fundamentalists for giving his employees a decent wage.

Also has a falling out with his brother and business partner which amy or may not be related to the above.



I got from the first part that I did read through, that people in the local area using his service are bailing amidst fears that their rates are going to go up (understandable, even given his constant "reassurances" that that would not happen)

From what I got, and from seeing the business from the "get go" I think he was smart for going with a "decent" wage at the cost of his own, I think he went wrong in implementing and announcing it.
   
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He seems like a nice guy.

Admitting to being a bit fractious in debates about wages and not managing to reconcile with his sibling before going to the courts mar things, but I thought it was touching when the pizza guy decided to pass on his savings to his employees.

Let's be honest here. The extra salary money was coming straight from CEO gravy. No way it affects the cost of business for clients. The company also increased it's business off of the publicity.

If this had been implemented and announced by someone with a better grip on their company we would be hearing about a nearly unqualified success story.

Which is awesome. I mean think about it. The golden parachute for CEO's is one of the most despised set ups we've got in America. Getting a new industry standard of reasonable wage differences in the field? Priceless.
   
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Which is awesome. I mean think about it. The golden parachute for CEO's is one of the most despised set ups we've got in America. Getting a new industry standard of reasonable wage differences in the field? Priceless.


Yeah, CEO compensation and severance packages are often ridiculous, as it means most CEOs can run a company into the ground, and still live the high life for the rest of their lives.

Just look at the recent financial report from Games Workshop: pay freeze for the employees, while Tom Kirby cuts himself a nearly$700,000 dividend check.

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There is no way he was paying for all the salary increases from his own salary. He was not making near enough to do that.

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There is no way he was paying for all the salary increases from his own salary. He was not making near enough to do that.


The article specifically states that he isn't.

...and most of his own paycheck and last year’s $2.2 million in profits plowed into the salary increases...


It doesn't, however, mention what Dan Price's salary is, at least not as far as I can tell.

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" "I believe that anyone who has a job and works full time, they should be able to pay the things that sustain life: food, shelter and clothing. I can't even do that."

That rather depressing quote is from 61-year old Rebecca Cornick. She’s a grandmother and a 9-year Wendy’s veteran who spoke to CBS News. Rebecca makes $9 an hour and her plight is representative of fast food workers across the country who are campaigning for higher pay.

The fast food worker pay debate is part of a larger discussion as "states and cities across the country [wrestle] with the idea of raising the minimum wage," CBS notes, adding that "right now, 29 states have minimums above the federal $7.25 an hour [and] four cities, including Los Angeles, have doubled their minimum to $15."

Proponents of raising the pay floor argue that it’s simply not possible to live on minimum wage and indeed, there’s plenty of evidence to suggest that they’re right. Opponents say forcing employers to pay more will simply mean that companies will fire people or stop hiring and indeed, as we highlighted on Friday, it looks as though WalMart’s move to implement an across-the-board pay raise for its low-paid workers may have contributed to a decision to layoff around 1,000 people at its home office in Bentonville.

"The reality is that most business are not going to pay $15 dollars an hour and keep their doors open," one Burger King franchisee told CBS. "It just won't happen. The economics don't work in this industry. There is a limit to what you're going to pay for a hamburger."

Yes, there’s only so much people will pay for a hamburger which is why Ronald McDonald has made an executive decision to hire more efficient employees at some locations:

With all of that in mind, consider the following from TechRepublic who tells the story of Changying Precision Technology Company, which has replaced almost all of its human employees with robots to great success:

In Dongguan City, located in the central Guangdong province of China, a technology company has set up a factory run almost exclusively by robots, and the results are fascinating.



The Changying Precision Technology Company factory in Dongguan has automated production lines that use robotic arms to produce parts for cell phones.



The factory also has automated machining equipment, autonomous transport trucks, and other automated equipment in the warehouse.



There are still people working at the factory, though. Three workers check and monitor each production line and there are other employees who monitor a computer control system. Previously, there were 650 employees at the factory. With the new robots, there's now only 60. Luo Weiqiang, general manager of the company, told the People's Daily that the number of employees could drop to 20 in the future.



The robots have produced almost three times as many pieces as were produced before. According to the People's Daily, production per person has increased from 8,000 pieces to 21,000 pieces. That's a 162.5% increase.



The increased production rate hasn't come at the cost of quality either. In fact, quality has improved. Before the robots, the product defect rate was 25%, now it is below 5%.

So to anyone planning on picketing the local McDonald’s in an attempt to secure a 70% wage hike, be careful, because this "guy" is ready to work, doesn’t need breaks, and never makes a mistake:"


http://www.techrepublic.com/article/chinese-factory-replaces-90-of-humans-with-robots-production-soars/

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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Got a tl;dr version??


Nice guy gets flak from jealous, petty donkey-caves and neoliberal fundamentalists for giving his employees a decent wage.

Also has a falling out with his brother and business partner which amy or may not be related to the above.



I got from the first part that I did read through, that people in the local area using his service are bailing amidst fears that their rates are going to go up (understandable, even given his constant "reassurances" that that would not happen)

From what I got, and from seeing the business from the "get go" I think he was smart for going with a "decent" wage at the cost of his own, I think he went wrong in implementing and announcing it.


He lost some customers, gained a lot more, and is having to consider hiring more people to cover the sudden influx of new business.

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Lost some employees as well, since they were angered over the fact that brand new people got massive pay raises, when long time employees didn't.

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 Psienesis wrote:


He lost some customers, gained a lot more, and is having to consider hiring more people to cover the sudden influx of new business.



At the same time though, the first article did outline that the new customers don't really bring in new money until after their first year under contract
   
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 djones520 wrote:
Lost some employees as well, since they were angered over the fact that brand new people got massive pay raises, when long time employees didn't.


Sounds like some pretty extreme butthurt.

   
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 Hordini wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
Lost some employees as well, since they were angered over the fact that brand new people got massive pay raises, when long time employees didn't.


Sounds like some pretty extreme butthurt.


not really, when you arbitrarily say that a non skilled worker who earned ~30k gets a 40k raise, while a very skilled/educated worker stays the same or only gets a minimal raise, it tends to rub people the wrong way.


its the same reason why we dont give everyone a gold medal just for competing in the olympics.

People will perform better if they know their performance output is related to reward inputs.

 
   
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 whembly wrote:
Well... the CEO did provide a learning opportunity for all of us. In that the economics of nature is a bitch.


As I said in my first post, I think he simply went about it wrong, given the reasons people are leaving.
   
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 easysauce wrote:
 Hordini wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
Lost some employees as well, since they were angered over the fact that brand new people got massive pay raises, when long time employees didn't.


Sounds like some pretty extreme butthurt.


not really, when you arbitrarily say that a non skilled worker who earned ~30k gets a 40k raise, while a very skilled/educated worker stays the same or only gets a minimal raise, it tends to rub people the wrong way.


its the same reason why we dont give everyone a gold medal just for competing in the olympics.

People will perform better if they know their performance output is related to reward inputs.


Psshh... that makes no sense. It's much easier to just say people get butthurt.

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I'm pretty sure quitting your job because someone else, who you already make way more more money than (if we're talking about the skilled vs the non-skilled worker in this case), got a raise, is a pretty golden example of being butthurt. Especially when the positive effect on the quality of life for people in the company is obvious. If the skilled workers took a pay cut (like the CEO did), it would be more understandable. But as far as I can tell that's not the case.


   
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 Hordini wrote:
I'm pretty sure quitting your job because someone else, who you already make way more more money than (if we're talking about the skilled vs the non-skilled worker in this case), got a raise, is a pretty golden example of being butthurt.


I prefer to call it 'entitlement'. That's the buzzword we use right? Meaning "lazy person who wants more money."


   
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 easysauce wrote:
 Hordini wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
Lost some employees as well, since they were angered over the fact that brand new people got massive pay raises, when long time employees didn't.


Sounds like some pretty extreme butthurt.


not really, when you arbitrarily say that a non skilled worker who earned ~30k gets a 40k raise, while a very skilled/educated worker stays the same or only gets a minimal raise, it tends to rub people the wrong way.


its the same reason why we dont give everyone a gold medal just for competing in the olympics.

People will perform better if they know their performance output is related to reward inputs.


Actually there is plenty of evidence that financial reward has very little effect on output. People want to be paid fairly for what they think they do, but pay rises and pay differentials make very little difference to how someone performs. This also seems to be a few longer serving employees, which says nothing about their performance or skills. To use your example, you also don't give everyone gold medals just because they have been running longer, and anyway employment is not a competition. Ultimately no one lost out, but a few new employees gained more. These seem like the same people that quit when they get a younger manager. Simply having a strop because they were jealous even though they lost nothing.

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 LordofHats wrote:
 Hordini wrote:
I'm pretty sure quitting your job because someone else, who you already make way more more money than (if we're talking about the skilled vs the non-skilled worker in this case), got a raise, is a pretty golden example of being butthurt.


I prefer to call it 'entitlement'. That's the buzzword we use right? Meaning "lazy person who wants more money."



Its also means their salaries were underserved as they could find new positions. less butthurt and more underpaid.

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 Frazzled wrote:

Its also means their salaries were underserved as they could find new positions. less butthurt and more underpaid.


Or they willingly took a pay cut in order to leave the company. Considering sentiments such as this...

Mr. Moran also fretted that the extra money could over time become too enticing to give up, keeping him from his primary goal of further developing his web skills and moving to a digital company.


...it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Incidentally, if his primary goals are really further developing his web skills and moving to a digital company, earning more money shouldn't be an issue.

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 dogma wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:

Its also means their salaries were underserved as they could find new positions. less butthurt and more underpaid.


Or they willingly took a pay cut in order to leave the company. Considering sentiments such as this...

Mr. Moran also fretted that the extra money could over time become too enticing to give up, keeping him from his primary goal of further developing his web skills and moving to a digital company.


...it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Incidentally, if his primary goals are really further developing his web skills and moving to a digital company, earning more money shouldn't be an issue.


This is true, but then he would have left anyway. However, I take your point.

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Looking closer at the article after some posters mentioned it, the salary raise is also coming directly from profits, in addition to an unstated amount from the unstated budget of the CEO.


Less excited. Still have no idea why people quitting because those under them are getting a boon is 'evidence' that generous pay is bad.
   
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 Scrabb wrote:
Looking closer at the article after some posters mentioned it, the salary raise is also coming directly from profits, in addition to an unstated amount from the unstated budget of the CEO.


Less excited. Still have no idea why people quitting because those under them are getting a boon is 'evidence' that generous pay is bad.


Because they probably went to school for years to get the degrees which got them their current salaries. Then some unskilled uneducated worker suddenly is making almost as much as they are without having done anything to earn it.

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And if they were getting with a bonus plan, their bonus plan just went in the toilet.

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