Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Specifically LRCs with crusader squads inside.

I see value in both full sized squads decked out for combat and MSU to maximize the amount of AV14.

Yes, they're a totally viable thing.

Black Templars have two great strengths to set them apart from traditional marines. They may not be able to benefit from their unique unit choices with a Gladius Formation but they can, in a normal force, lay down 20 man squads *or* put down ObSec Land Raiders both of which are costly but effective.

A friend of mine has been planning out a BT army with three 20 strong Crusader squads with the intention of simply swarming the enemy in T4 bodies.

Having AV14 bricks that can cap objectives is great, go for it.

Its doable.

Just watch out for rocks.

nothing sucks more than a 1/6 chance of getting stuck forever.

 Desubot wrote:
Its doable.

Just watch out for rocks.

nothing sucks more than a 1/6 chance of getting stuck forever.

I wish Land Raiders had the same special rule that Rhinos have that let them get back up and driving instead of shooting.

As a person that puts a minimum of 12 melta guns on the table, I approve of this.

A 5 man squad in a LRC with a multi melta costs 330 points. 5 of those will run you 1650, which leaves 200 points for a placeholder HQ (techmarine, probably) and a support unit or 2 like a stormtalon, thunderfire cannon or a couple of landspeeders. 5 obsec av14 bricks will be hard for a lot of armies to deal with, even with a high number of melta guns. Just watch out for necrons and the dirty D.

Only if you have enough firepower to chase off or kill other obsec units, otherwise you're paying 250 points for a unit that will get contested by a 60 point squad of jetbikes on the last turn of the game.

You'll also need some kind of protection against melta and haywire.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Only if you have enough firepower to chase off or kill other obsec units, otherwise you're paying 250 points for a unit that will get contested by a 60 point squad of jetbikes on the last turn of the game.

You'll also need some kind of protection against melta and haywire.

Land Raider Achilles for one of the Raiders?

 th3maninblak wrote:
A 5 man squad in a LRC with a multi melta costs 330 points. 5 of those will run you 1650, which leaves 200 points for a placeholder HQ (techmarine, probably) and a support unit or 2 like a stormtalon, thunderfire cannon or a couple of landspeeders. 5 obsec av14 bricks will be hard for a lot of armies to deal with, even with a high number of melta guns. Just watch out for necrons and the dirty D.

What if you went with three LRCs instead and used the extra points for killer units like Talons and Sternguard.

In a lgs competitive sense? Ya they are. Keep the points low both in the squad it carries and in the LR itself. It will be the center point to the army so make sure it is impactful.

I think in a tournament sense the answer is no. It's a fast high assault capacity high armor gun platform with obsec but not all at once. To disembark you limit your movement and to go fast you limit your firepower.

Picking and choosing isn't what I want to be doing with 350+ points.

There are other units that get you cake and let you eat it too.

 BlaxicanX wrote:


You'll also need some kind of protection against melta and haywire.

I'm not aware of much that can be done to protect from those outside a few select FW options.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Only if you have enough firepower to chase off or kill other obsec units, otherwise you're paying 250 points for a unit that will get contested by a 60 point squad of jetbikes on the last turn of the game.

You'll also need some kind of protection against melta and haywire.

Tank shock and sit on the objective. If you need to, dump the guys and assault!

Is there a reason to run a single LRC? Or is one land raider just a target?

 minigun762 wrote:
Is there a reason to run a single LRC? Or is one land raider just a target?

I've run one LR in a few games. They're scary enough that people devote resources to taking them out, but not so valuable that you feel crushed losing it.

They're also very hard to kill so they can really soak up fire power. That said, it depends on the rest of your list.

I have only ever run one at a time. And it largely gets ignored.

Except when I was playing another ork player who had some meganobz with killsaws. They went right for it.

I did have one comedy game where a tac squad got into my LR to hide from a unit of grotesques (that had no way to damage it).

Thus I had a big obsec footprint too. The LR got repaired twice by a techmarine (TFC gunner) who was absolutely man of the match (blew up two transports, flamed a bunch of guys, repaired the Land Raider twice, crack-grenaded a skimmer).

I was thinking about this the other day as well.

You could go Inquistion with Coteaz. Giving you 3x LRC objective secured.

The cool thing though is that inquisition still allows you to upgrade to pysbolt ammo.

Crusade wrote:
I was thinking about this the other day as well.

You could go Inquistion with Coteaz. Giving you 3x LRC objective secured.

The cool thing though is that inquisition still allows you to upgrade to pysbolt ammo.

I dont recall inquisition handing out objective secured. they get there own special detachment full of Elite slots.

Actually psybolt hurricane bolters are pretty awesome. Really something to take a look at.

If you bring an inquisitor with a liber hereticus you can scout that LRC also.12" scout move with Str5 hurricane bolters? HEY-O!!

 Desubot wrote:

Crusade wrote:
I was thinking about this the other day as well.

You could go Inquistion with Coteaz. Giving you 3x LRC objective secured.

The cool thing though is that inquisition still allows you to upgrade to pysbolt ammo.

I dont recall inquisition handing out objective secured. they get there own special detachment full of Elite slots.

Coteaz makes henchmen squads troops, LRC's are dedicated transports for henchmen squads.

Crusade wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

Crusade wrote:
I was thinking about this the other day as well.

You could go Inquistion with Coteaz. Giving you 3x LRC objective secured.

The cool thing though is that inquisition still allows you to upgrade to pysbolt ammo.

I dont recall inquisition handing out objective secured. they get there own special detachment full of Elite slots.

Coteaz makes henchmen squads troops, LRC's are dedicated transports for henchmen squads.

Skimming through Codex inquisition im not seeing it.

So a quick glance and I think I may have mixed things up.

Coteaz's "Lord of Formosa" used to turn Inquisition henchmen into troops, now it just states that they are scoring. I didn't catch that change.

So scoring with pys bolt ammo is still nice, but not objective secured nice.