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I will just paint for the fun of it.

Maybe paint for other people.

Move on to another game that appeals to me. Lots of great games out of there, I just happen to like 40K more. If that goes, well...plenty of fish in the sea. No need for nerd rage.

Probably wouldn't play it. I'd go back to 5th ed. if I wanted to play 40k.

I would enjoy watching the usual suspects twist themselves into knots trying to lay the blame on Dakka instead of GW for killing 40k. Those threads would be epic.

Col. Dash wrote:
There are stores(non-GW) that don't let you play games they don't support? Wow, you guys never get in games of Battletech, BF Gothic, or any of the other great smaller game systems out there do you? My old main store still has the rest of the year on its Warhammer Fantasy campaign to go and they do not intend on stopping.

Glad all the stores locally I know are happy to have players playing whatever. They will at least sell snacks and drinks.

Let me check . Yes ,yes and yes. If the store doesn't sell it why would they let people play it. Not only do people from the unsupported system take up tables for those that play games that the store supports, but there is always a chance of the starting the game and spending their money not in th shop. And selling food or drinks at a store requirs a special license, and if our version of F&DA comes to check it the store can be closed anywhere from 5 days to a month.

free rules and codex would be nice. But PUG would remain a total nightmare if not worse if it went to the bring what you want no points AoS

If 40k goes AoS, I will be totally fine with that.

I actively dislike the excess of tables and cross-references in the current 40k ruleset.

I vastly prefer AoS approach of simplified (core) rules and all unit rules on one page, without having to keep hunting for keywords that reference other keywords and tables.

And getting the rules for FREE? Beats the hell out of paying $60 for a Codex!

at the geeduds near me they let us use any gw or gw affiliated game. specialist games and roleplaying from fantasy flight are go! i thought that was normal... i geuss i live in a bubble...

 Blacksails wrote:
Free rules are welcome.

You mean joke rulesets for the "legacy" factions that make you dance and sing for re-rolls, while the new "Super Marines" and "Super Chaos" etc rulesets are only "free" with new miniatures?

Having thought on it for a bit... I really am not sure if I would or would not approve of the new system, as I doubt Game Workshop can ever overcome the 'Hack and Paste' and the 'Vacuum Effect.'

Hack and Paste is where they take existing Rules from a previous edition and simply cram them into the new Edition they are trying to sell to us. Without proper editing, this leads to clauses that either do not make sense or can no longer be applied without the end result not making any sense. There are even some vestigial Rules within 7th Edition that have not made any real sense for a while, but are still included because no-one noticed a lone sentence here and there that did absolutely nothing and could thus be ignored entirely.

The Vacuum Effect has always been a problem for Game Workshop, this is where they fail to account for more complicated Rule interactions when they try and explain how a Rule works. Might not be so bad if you stuck to just explaining the basics in a Vacuum, but they do it for even advanced Rules. This has led to a phenomenon where you can easily cause Rules to 'break' simply by adding more factors to the situation, my personal favourite is to add an Independent Character and see what happens. Eventually you will either find that one combination that has no Rules to govern it, or reach an outcome that is completely opposite to expected.

If Game Workshop can put together a more simple system it might eliminate those above concerns... so the very least I can look at the end result.

I will just play more games made by other people like Batman. WWX FoW Halo etc......in fact pretty much what I am doing now

 Dakkamite wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
Free rules are welcome.

You mean joke rulesets for the "legacy" factions that make you dance and sing for re-rolls, while the new "Super Marines" and "Super Chaos" etc rulesets are only "free" with new miniatures?

In principle, I love free rules, regardless of the medium. Bonus points for just using the internet properly and uploading a bunch of PDF's, but that's obviously a little complicated for GW.

But like anything GW, the idea is good, the execution is terrible.

Par for the course.

The rules are free, but I'd argue they're hardly worth that much.

It's a steaming pile of **** what they did to fantasy as a vet of 5-6 years. I had hundreds of models some still in boxes that never need to see the light of day now. Some of the more glorious parts of fantasy are dead. Most of what fantasy is is dead. I loved fantasy because there were no marines, no grimdark and none of this garbage.

If GW starts merely advancing the plot of 40k i'm absolutely done. I will support any other game company competing with them.

They basically **** on every fan of fantasy that had an army dating back more than 2 years or was larger than a hundred models and then say everything is our fault rather than the company not getting their fanbase. As if that's not enough if you didn't have an army updated for the edition it was meant for (skaven, beastmen and brets) then tough luck. Also 8th is now unsupported and they totally did a bait and switch with age of sigmar looking to be 9th edition. We have every right to be mad and for most fantasy vets i saw nothing but hate for this. Most of the love is coming from the painters and 40k players. If this happens GW is dead to me and will rightfully die i hope.

Ignore what garbage GW puts out, play 5th and HH and have good times

Heh just try to play previous editions. 8th is no longer allowed at GW for fantasy and now that it's unsupported i heard of nobody playing it at local stores. The same will be true of 40k unless you have a group of gaming friends you can set games up with and pray they feel the same way you do.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Heh just try to play previous editions. 8th is no longer allowed at GW for fantasy and now that it's unsupported i heard of nobody playing it at local stores. The same will be true of 40k unless you have a group of gaming friends you can set games up with and pray they feel the same way you do.

Good for me then that I dont give a flying squig about GW and their imbecilic ways then. And why yes my local gaming group is filled to the brim with players to both games.

40K will never go through what FB just went through. Sure they'll simplify the rules and throw away the points system and the whole line of codexes. But fewer models to an army? Never. Or at least not until people just stop buying 40K stuff altogether, which is more or less what happened to FB.

Should it happen, I wouldn't read Dakka for some time and decide for myself it it's any good. If it's not, I'll shelf the miniatures to wait for the extended rules ( which are likely coming for Sigmar aswell ) and again test it out.

If it would still be unenjoyable, then I'll have Warmachine/KoW.

Even if it happened, which it might or might not, I would still play. 40k has been a part of my life in one way or another for over a decade and I won't be giving it up very easily.

Now before I get run over by the hate train I'll say I've always been more a collector and painter than player. I've tried every edition from 3rd onward and it might as well be a different game now with the power shifts, crazy objectives, formations and all the other "new stuff". So would a AoSing 40k bother me? No not really its just the game changing again in my eyes.

Worst case scenario GW goes under and I'm finally able to finish my armies due to no more model being produced

I would literally kill myself

sangheili wrote:
I would literally kill myself

I'm not sure you understand what "literally" means.

 Selym wrote:

sangheili wrote:
I would literally kill myself

I'm not sure you understand what "literally" means.

I think i know what it means thats why i used it.

Its just that people on dakka have the habit of interpreting thinks a million ways so that way they can't.

I don't think that it will be. 40k is much more of a money maker than WFB, and has been for years. But you figure all the creative time and effort that goes into each book, model, and rules, it's going to be the same investment for a WFB model as a 40k model. And then you're wasting inventory space and shipping for models that are going to sit on the shelf much longer than 40k models. Despite popular belief, GW is in the business to make money, it's not their plan to try and ruin your hobby.

Long story short, I doubt 40k will get sigmarizationed, but if it does, I'll gladly try out Infinity.

sangheili wrote:

 Selym wrote:

sangheili wrote:
I would literally kill myself

I'm not sure you understand what "literally" means.

I think i know what it means thats why i used it.

Its just that people on dakka have the habit of interpreting thinks a million ways so that way they can't.

Sadly your interpretation of the word literally is correct, literally now means virtually aswell, the opposite of what it's supposed to mean, the thick people won....

sangheili wrote:

 Selym wrote:

sangheili wrote:
I would literally kill myself

I'm not sure you understand what "literally" means.

I think i know what it means thats why i used it.

Its just that people on dakka have the habit of interpreting thinks a million ways so that way they can't.

So where will I find your obituary if this happens?

 Formosa wrote:

sangheili wrote:

 Selym wrote:

sangheili wrote:
I would literally kill myself

I'm not sure you understand what "literally" means.

I think i know what it means thats why i used it.

Its just that people on dakka have the habit of interpreting thinks a million ways so that way they can't.

Sadly your interpretation of the word literally is correct, literally now means virtually aswell, the opposite of what it's supposed to mean, the thick people won....

Had to google for evidence. You'd think Oxford would know better.

 Selym wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

sangheili wrote:

 Selym wrote:

sangheili wrote:
I would literally kill myself

I'm not sure you understand what "literally" means.

I think i know what it means thats why i used it.

Its just that people on dakka have the habit of interpreting thinks a million ways so that way they can't.

Sadly your interpretation of the word literally is correct, literally now means virtually aswell, the opposite of what it's supposed to mean, the thick people won....

Had to google for evidence. You'd think Oxford would know better.

Weep for our language...

I'd give it a shot. Free rules would be a much better change than the $100+ buy in I'd have to make to get the modern rules/codex to play with minis I have had painted since 2nd edition.

With Age of Sigmar, it's not the rules that got me pissed, it's the complete trash-canning of a 30-year evocative setting that was an insulting slap to the face. They could easily have added the Stormcast into the Old World without all the End Times exploding into many realms, hundreds (thousands?) of years later nonsense of the new setting. In fact, several people have written ideas that would have done just that.

As long as there was some sort of army balance system (the stupidest, most broken part of the AoS ruleset), I would not sweat AoS-style warscrolls and rules as long as one of my favorite settings remains untouched. Especially if they were free!

If all else fails, I mostly play home games, so there are always older editions to play. I keep meaning to revisit 40K 2nd edition one of these days.

I am in the situation where it would literally be like old Warhammer players using the models they already have with new, free rules. As long as what draws me to the game is unchanged, what do I have to lose? I certainly don't play 40K for the rulesets.

I am currently gearing up to enjoy the Old World with Kings of War rules. Mechanics of how I roll dice are not what ties me to a particular gaming system or setting, they are just icing on the cake if they are fun and work well. Say what you want, but "Forging the narrative" is exactly what I want to do, using a warband of models I have creative ties to with rules that don't require more of my brain than having fun does. I just want to feel like I am exploring a setting that interests me more than anything else when I play a game.

I think I'd actually play 40k again.

Competitiveness and super tight rules has never been this game's strong suit, and it's a fool's errand to try and make this game function like that under GW's writer team. I've seen Sigmar in action and it's actually not that bad.

Going the Sigmar route would just fix a lot of the issues that the game has (aka a ridiculously bloated and overblown rule system)

That, or just let FFG write their rules for them, I'd be cool with that too.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I think I'd actually play 40k again.

Competitiveness and super tight rules has never been this game's strong suit, and it's a fool's errand to try and make this game function like that under GW's writer team. I've seen Sigmar in action and it's actually not that bad.

Going the Sigmar route would just fix a lot of the issues that the game has (aka a ridiculously bloated and overblown rule system)

That, or just let FFG write their rules for them, I'd be cool with that too.

Yeah, I'm starting to feel that way too. If it dropped the game size a bit and cut out the absurd rules cost, I would be alright with it.

FFG taking over would definitely be optimal, however. It'd be nice getting value out of the high prices for a change.

I'd give it a go of course, but I wouldn't throw any money at a starter or whatnot. I do agree that FFG would do a much better job with a ruleset.

Hoping that either GW will come up with a balanced ruleset or FFG will take over are pretty solid long shots though.

If it turned out to be terrible, I would probably push DZC on other gaming guys a bit more, and get another army.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Going the Sigmar route would just fix a lot of the issues that the game has (aka a ridiculously bloated and overblown rule system)

Replacing lesser problems with greater problems isn't exactly a good deal.