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sangheili wrote:
I would literally kill myself

That is literally unbelievable, and I would require proof. Please upload a video of it afterward.

I'll take 10K of Necrons to every game.

In all seriousness, I'd just keep playing 7th ed necrons, and 5th ed necrons, and feth it 3rd ed necrons while were at it.
Just play games for fun, ya know?

I'd give it a shot. I actually kind of like AoS, but if they do the same thing they did with WHFB and release free PDFS for the armies, I might grab them and run.

If they do this though, I hope there's an end times 40k too.

I hope a trusted committee of people create a better point system for all the units in 40k and keep it up to date and edit old costs when new units are released in order to create near perfect balance.

So instead of new models being attractive for being op and under costed, the community can vote on re adjusting points for previous models to counter balance the inequality created by the new.

It ain't gonna happen, AoSing 40k would be like taking your primary cash cow out to the front of your house; killing it and then squatting down and dedicating on the corpse and then try and sell bits of the poo stained meat to the cows family... Yeah no, GW are never going to make the Gamble.

Also notice that age of Sigmar is selling badly. Also for the first time in 10 years I walked into my flgs and saw that the manager hadn't painted the AoS box. He painted it for every other starter kit but for this one he just...didn't even bother.

The GW in Lincoln only had those figures basecoated last time I saw them.
Seems almost common, wow...

 The Deathless Host wrote:

Also notice that age of Sigmar is selling badly.

Got some opinions for ya:

Poll on the WHFB forum

It seems AoS hasn't failed everywhere.

 Selym wrote:

 The Deathless Host wrote:

Also notice that age of Sigmar is selling badly.

Got some opinions for ya:

Poll on the WHFB forum

It seems AoS hasn't failed everywhere.

Forum polls are irrelevant to the game's financial situation, especially with a sample size of 20. In terms of actual sales made, it's been doing terribly. The limited edition, the one that has been "limited to a mere 2000 copies around the world," has yet to sell out. I've seen gaming stores that have resorted to giving away miniatures with the starter sets just to get rid of the things. There may be fanboys on the fora, but the system has not been what I would call a resounding commercial success.

 asorel wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 The Deathless Host wrote:

Also notice that age of Sigmar is selling badly.

Got some opinions for ya:

Poll on the WHFB forum

It seems AoS hasn't failed everywhere.

Forum polls are irrelevant to the game's financial situation, especially with a sample size of 20. In terms of actual sales made, it's been doing terribly. The limited edition, the one that has been "limited to a mere 2000 copies around the world," has yet to sell out. I've seen gaming stores that have resorted to giving away miniatures with the starter sets just to get rid of the things. There may be fanboys on the fora, but the system has not been what I would call a resounding commercial success.

"The limited edition" is the second campaign book in around 3-4 weeks, first of all.

And quite frankly, what's happening at YOUR gaming stores is not what's happening at everyone else's. At my local shop, I've seen somewhere in the realm of 40-50 Age of Sigmar core sets get sold---with something like 25% of those being two individuals each buying a box and then splitting the contents with each other. Couple that with maybe another quarter of the players who wanted the Stormcast Eternals content going on to purchase each and every Stormcast part, Age of Sigmar isn't doing that poorly by any stretch of the imagination.

 Formosa wrote:
Honestly I don't know, aos is awful and I really don't like it, it's not warhammer, I get that, but it's not a game I want to play, if they do the same to 40k... I'm done, I'd even consider a class action suit, e.a was held to account (and several other companies) for bad design and poor, unfinished games, gw is doing exactly the same.

Ooh, could you post some information on that? That sounds really interesting, but my BS meter is going off the charts (no offense to you).

How can you sue a game company because you don't like their rules?

I would cease to support the company if they went that route. The latest raft of releases has put me off new purchases anyways. A dumbiing down of the rules would see all my GW armies downsized and the funds put into BattleTech.

Its too bad because at least with AoS you can say screw it and play Mordheim. Necromunda doesn't port so easily with a 40k collection.

I'd rather see GW die and the IP's sold off (hopefully continued) than get the AOS treatment. Last thing we need is every modern army squatted, the fluff ruined, and gak, garish looking new armies being added in their place. Even the new Chaos models for AOS look downright godawful. And of course then there's the rules, which feel like a children's game with how bloody simple they are.

 Wyzilla wrote:
I'd rather see GW die and the IP's sold off (hopefully continued) than get the AOS treatment. Last thing we need is every modern army squatted, the fluff ruined, and gak, garish looking new armies being added in their place. Even the new Chaos models for AOS look downright godawful. And of course then there's the rules, which feel like a children's game with how bloody Simple-Minded and Childish they are.

FTFY. Simple rules aren't always a bad thing, but they need tactical depth, and do not need arbitrary 4th-wall-breaking stupidity.

Not to mention the rule that gives you a bonus if a model talks back to you. Wtf.

Player1: *forces this rule to come up*

Player2: I heard it talk!

P1: No you didn't.

P2: Yes I did!

P1: TO! This guy is an idiot!

TO: P2, did you hear it talk?

P2: Yes. Gimme mah re-roll please.

P1: Models can't talk.

TO: (either) If models cant talk, why is that rule there? Have your re-roll, P2. (or) P2, you are delusional and need medical help.

A game that requires this kind of conversation is slowed.

ziggurattt wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Honestly I don't know, aos is awful and I really don't like it, it's not warhammer, I get that, but it's not a game I want to play, if they do the same to 40k... I'm done, I'd even consider a class action suit, e.a was held to account (and several other companies) for bad design and poor, unfinished games, gw is doing exactly the same.

Ooh, could you post some information on that? That sounds really interesting, but my BS meter is going off the charts (no offense to you).

It is BS.

There was an attempted class action suit against EA for Battlefield 4's release, and the judge sided with EA.

Now, there is one which they were "held to account" but it has nothing to do with "bad design and poor, unfinished games". It was for NCAA branded football games and likeness rights.

You know I hope they do something, because I love 40k and the genre it helped popularize. GW has been having difficulties, many of them self inflicted, but in all honesty it's kind of a tough business they are in. They sell figurines, there is no DRM, no need to rebuy, and there is a hard limit to the size of the battles so there is a limit to the size of the armies people collect. Add in a vigorous secondary sale market, and a shrinking/stagnant player base and you see it's a tight situation. Finally the hobby has a high entry cost, which makes the secondary sale issue worse, and makes replacing turnover much more difficult.

Honestly, 40k needs a skirmish game to act as a gateway into the full game. The problem with age of sigmar is, beyond what were you thinking rules, is that it's not an introduction into fantasy, it's a replacement. That's why every ones jimmies are rustled. GW has had flops before, and no one got upset about them, they just quietly died. No the problem is that they killed something people liked or at least had nostalgia for, and replaced it with something completely different. The fact that AoS also happens to suck doesn't help it.

So in summation, I'm not offended by the idea of an AoS style game for 40k, in fact I think it's necessary for the fandom. I hope they do it in such a way as they continue support for 40k, and make it a stepping stone into 40k by using models that work in both games.

40k needs a skirmish game?

One that is perfect for new players and fun for old ones too?

You haven't played much Kill Team have you?

Perhaps they should advertise Kill Team a little more?

Kill team and 40k in 40 minutes are two of my favorites, but they are not really fleshed out games so much as they are scenarios. Maybe a Kill team box (Marines vs. Orks) with some extra cool bits for the kill team (to get experienced players to buy it), a rule book, and some terrain might be an inexpensive way to get people into the hobby.

Necromunda or gorka morka were more what I had in mind, however the problem with Necromunda and Gorka Morka is that they weren't very good gateways into the hobby, the models are really only useful for a specific 40k army, and then only maybe. They were meant to be successful products in their own right, instead of loss leading introductions to the hobby like AoS. Lets face it that's what AoS box is, the price per model in the box is absurdly low, and despite the hate we have for the rules, most people will admit the sculpts are some of the best we've seen in the fantasy line.

Wouldn't it be awesome if we had experience and campaigns in Kill Team ala' Necromunda?

But back to the point. What does "Sigmarized" mean? When I hear this term I think of this.

1: Setting destroyed violently and replaced with comic book style "multiverse".

2: New models that are out of scale.

3: Poorly written and shallow rules revamp.

4: Quick rebranding of the range.

None of these things sound appealing. Sure I made them sound that way and someone will probably jump in with their AoS is lovely line (I suspect bribery), but that's how I see it.

Sure 40k has bad rules too, but at least it's an attempt at some depth and complexity. Its still a fun game even with all the shenanigans. I mean really, come on, how often is it really that awful? Even when some guy brings the cheese and is all the acronyms, what happens then? You either get to throw a mini at a wall or come here and insult the offending party until we all laugh our asses off. Big deal. You could be in a bar too ya know. We all know how fun that is right?

Ha, yes! Alright, let's have 40k End Times and then we can all just say screw it and take up drinking in the pub. Points? Who needs em? Paf! Pow! Ker-thunk! I'll have another whisky ma'am! And another black eye, stinking Humie! Zaf!

I'm not really in-tune with the fantasy players in my area, but most of the people I talked to like the new AoS rules, on the whole. My impression is that people are ok with it, as long as you're not a dick about the looseness of the rules and no points limits.

I have my concerns and doubts, but simplification of the games rules and making them available for free isn't a bad thing..........though I feel as if they've gone a bit too far in rules simplification for AOS.

But if 40k gets a similar treatment, I'll give it a shot and see what happens.

that being said, comparing armies on a model-to-model basis like AoS does seem insane. I mean, according to AoS rules as I understand them, a group of 30 grots and a group of 30 terminators are exactly equivalent in the eyes of the rules which.........isn't correct.