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 insaniak wrote:

 TheNewBlood wrote:

One of my college roommates still hasn't memorized the BS Table.....T________T

What is there to memorise? You subtract the model's BS from 7...

TBF I have played someone whom had a similar memory issue with the table. Sometimes it is good to be a walking rule book.

Opponents with codices better than BA. Wait a sec...

BANGLES scout being worse then vanilla marines scouts. sphess wolves unit equivlents being just plain better than SM
tau riptides. people who dont know how to play but still smakc talk you. TFG... nuff said. people who make there armys backgrounds stupid. like "there the mormens!" there mormen space marines who got sucked through a portal and know go around spreading the relkigion of mormens

Those players who shamelessly abuse clearly powerful but overplayed netlists, yet become completely inflexible and pedantic when faced with completely subjective rules dilemmas which might *slightly* benefit those players using unconventional units and innovative tactics.

Tee, eff, gee.

Biggest pet peeve is when one person is looking forward to a fun game, win or lose, but you end up playing someone who if they are losing they are sour and blame things like dice or specific units or rules. Yet, if they are winning gloat or talk down about your units.

Sloooooooow players.

 hanshotfirst wrote:
people who make there armys backgrounds stupid. like "there the mormens!" there mormen space marines who got sucked through a portal and know go around spreading the relkigion of mormens

whether you think their background is stupid or not at least its a theme or the start of one. my pet peeve is people who play their armies without a passion for lore, fluff or fun.

sure you play this chapter of spacemarines because they have stupid good chapter bonuses, but did you at least read their history.

of course you run a buffmander right next to the copycat necron lord so that his whole unit gets tankhunter and other stuff ontop of your gause riffles, but why does there happen to be a bufmander there (this happened to me, i asked if the guy had a reason or backstroy why this tau comander was in the middle of a necron horde, but sure enough he just shrugged his shoulders...and this is the same guy who told me he made a fluffy list before we started the game....stfu).

Judging of my army/play-style before having faced me (I play mobile tau with no riptides or suchlike, and am very careful not to abuse things that are better than they should be).

People who rush me. I like to think about what I'm going to do, and plan it out, so I might not start my movement phase immediately, but it's less than a minute, you can wait.

People who don't play against FW stuff. It's just a barracuda and a squad of remoras, It's not like i'm playing with titans or something here. And I never use experimental rules either.


For non game related, people who say they don't like tau fluff because it's not grimdark enough. It's exasperating. Have they even read tau fluff? Massive amounts of propaganda, very little choice in what you do, brainwashing, and those who will not join by choice are brought in by force. It's a fething expansionist totalitarian religious dictatorship! And tau are still "first among equals". Other races who join are still second class citizens (albeit relatively well treated ones).

 gnoise wrote:
I suppose when my opponent gets rather..."moody"...when losing/lost the game.

This is certainly a big one. Especially so with strangers, I lose a lot of respect for a person who can't take a loss on the chin.

People who go against the background of their army. I despise seeing dreadnoughts or devastator squads in white scars armies, for example, as it explicitly states in their fluff that they did not use them and gives reasons as to why they don't use them.

Even worse, I've seen a dreadnought in white scars colours painted by GW themselves in one of their "battle reports"!

As you can probably tell I'm a huge white scars fan and have been playing with them since 4th edition

geargutz wrote:
....stfu).

And what does Special Task Force Unicorn have to do with it? Maybe he just wants an exemption?

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Biggest pet peeve is when one person is looking forward to a fun game, win or lose, but you end up playing someone who if they are losing they are sour and blame things like dice or specific units or rules. Yet, if they are winning gloat or talk down about your units.

Call em Obama.


Forgive me my panic attack at the start of the game, and I can forgive much.

People who take obvious liberties with movement. The worst example was thunderwolves ending up 2" over the centre line after first turn movement.. And then when I contested it the point was argued...

Things like taking liberties with the scatter direction fall under a similar category.

1. Have a list ready to go. Don't ask me what I'm bringing and then make your list if playing a pick up game.

2. Don't offer strategic advice when you aren't playing in the game. I can understand and support helping a new player, but if two players with decent experience are playing, STFU. I'm not playing the whole damn store, just the guy across from me, Mr. Buttin-ski.

3. LOS works both way. If you could see me in your shooting phase, than I certainly can see you in my shooting phase.

 kronk wrote:
1. Have a list ready to go. Don't ask me what I'm bringing and then make your list if playing a pick up game.

2. Don't offer strategic advice when you aren't playing in the game. I can understand and support helping a new player, but if two players with decent experience are playing, STFU. I'm not playing the whole damn store, just the guy across from me, Mr. Buttin-ski.

3. LOS works both way. If you could see me in your shooting phase, than I certainly can see you in my shooting phase.

I admit, I have been guilty of #2 in the past. Whoops.

There is an exception with #3, being that you might have a model where the shooting point (head of model) might be behind cover, but the rest of the model is in the open. I understand what you mean though.

 TheNewBlood wrote:

One of my college roommates still hasn't memorized the BS Table.....

niv-mizzet wrote:

That and people who complain about 40k games taking too long but take like 1.5 hours to start playing. (They wait til game time to build a list, get out those models etc, all while chatting.)

 ProwlerPC wrote:

-Non emergency phone calls.

You guys have just described my group

Pain4Pleasure wrote:Biggest pet peeve is when one person is looking forward to a fun game, win or lose, but you end up playing someone who if they are losing they are sour and blame things like dice or specific units or rules. Yet, if they are winning gloat or talk down about your units.

I will admit to getting slightly salty at the result of my last game against Tau. But in my defense, I was facing two FW Riptide-equivalents at 1500 points (both with FnP), and the dice gods were clearly biased in the Tau player's favor. It was still a good game, and very close, but I did threaten to bust out my Wraithguard if that player ever brought those two units at 1500 again.

kronk wrote:1. Have a list ready to go. Don't ask me what I'm bringing and then make your list if playing a pick up game.

2. Don't offer strategic advice when you aren't playing in the game. I can understand and support helping a new player, but if two players with decent experience are playing, STFU. I'm not playing the whole damn store, just the guy across from me, Mr. Buttin-ski.

3. LOS works both way. If you could see me in your shooting phase, than I certainly can see you in my shooting phase.

SO MUCH #1. You would think that people would have armies ready to go and prepared, or at least concrete ideas for armies, at the standard points levels. I don't have a whole lot of time to play, so it gets on my nerves when someone decides to come in without an army list for a game and proceeds to spend a good 30-45 minutes building one. C'mon, you seriously didn't have a 1500 or 1750 list made out beforehand?

 Harley Quinn wrote:

There is an exception with #3, being that you might have a model where the shooting point (head of model) might be behind cover, but the rest of the model is in the open. I understand what you mean though.

I certainly get that there are cases where you might have cover and I might not. That's fine. I just mean if you can see and shoot me, then I can see and shoot you.

 kronk wrote:

 Harley Quinn wrote:

There is an exception with #3, being that you might have a model where the shooting point (head of model) might be behind cover, but the rest of the model is in the open. I understand what you mean though.

I certainly get that there are cases where you might have cover and I might not. That's fine. I just mean if you can see and shoot me, then I can see and shoot you.

Oh, I was referencing that model's line of sight is from the head of the model. Say you have a Tyranid Termagaunt. The Termagaunt's front half of its body is behind cover, but the enemy can see the back half of the Termagaunt.
If you were to look from the Termagaunt's line of sight, he wouldn't be able to see as it's head is behind cover.
Situations like that.

In a certain store I play at, my biggest peeve oddly is the Warmachine/Hordes players. While I can totally recognize WM/H for being a good game (and it is), it does not suit my tastes, and one of the biggest reasons for that are the players where I am. These are the types who will crowd around a 40k/AoS game in progress, and give the infuriatingly toned talk of "I'm so sorry you have to play THAT game" crap.

I'm sure there are a lot of nice WM/H players out there, but the prevalent attitude here makes me despise any time they come close. And probably unfairly colors my view of the game itself.

Bad sportsmanship, it really is the biggest problem with many of these Table-top games.

I don't care if I win or lose, I was in it to enjoy the experience of the game itself and to see what 'Narrative Highlights' could occur during battle, but these people make it impossible to have fun! From spontaneous Rule arguments to squeeze a little more 'cheese' out of an already over-powered list or to try and cripple a completely legal tactic they where not planning for, to standing around other tables where games are ongoing to bad-mouth the Players/Armies involved... the behaviour of these Players is what stops me from getting back into the game. My personal "favourite" was having to deal with this one Marine Player who whined and complained every time they lost a Unit, they believed it showed the game was 'poorly configured' as Marines should not be taking any sorts of major casualties to 'filthy xenos.'

Yet he never could understand why I walked away from the game and refused to play him after that point...

I don't have many, but when the guy has a pile of 50 dice in front of him and rolls 1 die at a time per armor save, for say, a unit of tactical marines, i lose my shi... stuff.

I have two pet peeves with 40k right now, and they both have to do with Wound Allocation.

1) Random Wound Allocation sucks. Period. It SUCKS.

Do you have any idea how annoying it is when my opponent uses a Template weapon against my Battlewagon? Now, I have 20 Orks in there. One is a Warboss. One is a Nob. One is a Painboy, two of them have Big Shootas. Then on top of that I have 15 regular Orks.

Now, I have to figure out a way to randomize a number of hits to account for all that. Usually this means going to the dice bag and pulling out an assortment of D20s, D12s, and D10s. It slows gameplay down SO MUCH. This is the whole conversation that has to happen with the opponent:

"Okay, I've got a D20. 20 will be the Warboss, 19 is the Nob, 18 is the Painboy and then 16 and 17 are the Orks with Big Shootas."
**ROLL A 20**
"Okay, so the Warboss rolls his "look out sir" **Roll a 3** "Succeeds and an Ork dies since he has no save." Okay now 20 is nothing, 19 is the Warboss, so on and so forth..."
**Roll a 5** "Okay an Ork dies"
**Roll a 12** "Okay an Ork dies"
**Roll a 16** "Uhhh okay that's a special guy, what are we down to now? Is that the Nob or one of the Big Shootas?"

You get the idea. IT SUCKS.

The same scenario pops up when I have to roll casualties for my "Green Mob". Ugh.

2) Rolling Saving throws

Rolling saves are so irritating. When you combine a unit that has characters, Independent Characters, and different cover saves depending on where the model is standing, you can quickly devolve into a version of the confusion from above.

Let's say my Dire Avengers with an Exarch and a Farseer get wounded by 5 hits from an AP4 weapon.

Well the first Dire Avenger isn't in cover. So he simply dies. Then I have two Dire Avengers in cover, so they get their 5+. So I roll those two at a time. One fails, one succeeds. Now I roll them one at a time. Okay he fails. Now we're hitting the Exarch. So first I have to make my look out sir, it succeeds, then the model succeeds his save. Okay great. Now my second look out sir, that fails, okay the exarch makes his 4++, etc etc.

* * *

In 5th Edition, neither of these things would happen. You take the wounds, you allocate them to the troopers you want, and you roll the saves. Maybe sometimes you need to figure out if the unit is 50% in cover or not, but that was about it. Quick and simple.

1. People who think their army is significantly worse than it is. At my current store these are mostly Eldar players with deepstriking D-scythes, hornets, and scatbikes.
2. List-tailoring=super skill. If you beat me, fine. But if you beat me because you set your list up to spam AP2 against my GK but bring scatterbikes when you're up against that Guard player then you're just taking advantage of RPS.
3. Not knowing your army's rules, especially when you err in your favor. Also not knowing how core rules that your army regularly uses work.
4. Rules lawyering.
5. Shaking my hand before a game. For some reason, it really bothers me...maybe it's hygiene issues, or that it implies that we are about to participate in some highly competitive bloodsport where the result depends on something other than rolling dice.

 greyknight12 wrote:

5. Shaking my hand before a game. For some reason, it really bothers me...maybe it's hygiene issues, or that it implies that we are about to participate in some highly competitive bloodsport where the result depends on something other than rolling dice.

Not shaking hands would bother me. If you have a hygiene phobia or something, that's fine. Just tell me. But shaking hands is just friendly manners. Before the game, shake hands and say good luck. After the game, shake hands and say good game.

And mean it.

I prefer slapping them in the face with a glove, but to each his own.

Not having a list/board ready to go.

People claiming they know the rules and then when the error is pointed out saying "well we play that way in X tournament so it must be right."

Poeple having the rules on a tablet/phone that always seems to take longer to find then in a book. But at least its better than no Codex at all.

 Harley Quinn wrote:

Oh, I was referencing that model's line of sight is from the head of the model

This isn't the case in 7th edition. LOS is from any part of the model's body.


It is potentially an issue with vehicles, though... It's entirely possible to have a vehicle in a position where it can draw LOS to an enemy who can't shoot back, due to drawing LOS from the vehicle's weapons while the weapons are ignored for LOS back to the vehicle.

A few here - people who argue rules or unit stats but don't know them, and don't know how to or can't back up their arguments with anything more then "army builder says x" or some gak.

- Or anyone taking the game WAYYYY to serious. In tournaments it's ok but in a pickup game lets have fun.

- people who roll a ton of dice roll some more then say ok you have 10 dead and 16 saves. And I'm like what? I thought this was still movement .....I like to be told ok I'm shooting this unit at that unit - here's 26 shots, ok 40 hits.... Wait for me to verify then roll the wounds, verify then the saves. It takes 5 seconds to look over a dice roll and go "ok". I do this all the time - sometimes people are like why are you waiting? Just tell me the saves in wich case I still wait just less. In case they decide to verify or in case it's a gak ton of plasma that just fried his terminaters. Common courtesy I suspect. But just rolling and not telling me? Annoying as all heck.

- mathhammer scientologists. "This unit is 40 of that purple of this and elephant of those so it should kill elevendytwelve of your unit. **rolls dice kills 1 guy** ARRRRRGGGHHHHH!!!! *proceeds to throw fecal fit for 2 minutes and sulk the rest of the game* - upon losing " wel if my purple elephant shenanigans did what they should have i would have won"
Me: "yea well they didn't and you didn't so..... Dice gods and good game?"
Guy:"no! The math and science and reasons say glarnsjdbdjshsijesbisbsishsishejjeheHahauyeveiwhsjdbshha!!!!!"
Me: right........ *walks away*

I don't even play that Guy next time. I just tell him my green hippo commander has anal glaucoma and i just can't see his ass in a game today.

 insaniak wrote:

 Harley Quinn wrote:

Oh, I was referencing that model's line of sight is from the head of the model

This isn't the case in 7th edition. LOS is from any part of the model's body.


It is potentially an issue with vehicles, though... It's entirely possible to have a vehicle in a position where it can draw LOS to an enemy who can't shoot back, due to drawing LOS from the vehicle's weapons while the weapons are ignored for LOS back to the vehicle.

Huh, wasn't aware of this. Thanks.