Pet Peeves you have in 40k games

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**master of ordinance**

Ashiraya wrote:
DId you just agree to a friendly game against a crazy homebrew list and get surprised when you lose?

I didnt know his list until he turned up with it. I assumed (stupidly) that he would also be bringing a fun and fluffy list with some nice action on either side. When I turned up I was expecting to see some Tactical squads with some Devestators and some other units that made a kind of fun looking army. I was honesty not expecting to see cheese of the damn level. That was not a fun fluffy list, that was some damn competitive list.

Stupid I know, but when you agree to a fluffy fun casual game you dont tend to expect donkey-cave lists.

**Ashiraya**

Why didn't you refuse the game when he showed you it? I would never agree to play a game against a Primarch in 40k unless I was properly prepared. They are designed for 30k, and even then only in games over 2000 points.

**master of ordinance**

Ashiraya wrote:
Why didn't you refuse the game when he showed you it? I would never agree to play a game against a Primarch in 40k unless I was properly prepared. They are designed for 30k, and even then only in games over 2000 points.

I feel like a colossal idiot now.
In all honesty though it was the first game I had got in weeks. Still you are right, I should have called it. Its just there is this weird gene in me that demands that I take on the challenge and try to win no matter how tough (runs in the family)... That and when I first realised what the hell I was up against I had just finished unpacking upwards of 200 Guardsmen....

Still I was a colossal idiot, you are right.

**kronk**

master of ordinance wrote:

He turns up with three Ironclads, A Tactical squad, Tiberus the Red Wake as his warlord with a unit of Lightning Claw terminators as his second troops choice, a Vindicaire, an Eversor and Fulgrim the Primarch supported by a couple of Devestators. Oh, and a three man Conclave led by Severin Loth. And two 5 man Sniper Scout squads.

A man that calls IG tanks overpowered, and then brings Fulgrim the fething Primarch of the Emperor's Children (One of the best primarchs in combat), Tiberus the Red Wake of the Space Sharks (Probably the best space marine in terminator armor), and Severin Loth (probably the best Librarian) to a "friendly game" is not a person I would play again.

At all.

Ever.

Or his kids.

Also, as pointed out, Primarchs belong ONLY in 30k games when both players know what's up.

**Ashiraya**

Primarchs still die like chumps to Wraithknights and their ilk, of course, but they are brutal to the unprepared.

**Chief Tugboat**

Eladar wrote:
Chief Tugboat wrote:

Yup I hate all fun.... I guess I should have bolded the "ENTIRE GAME" part.. maybe it would have painted a clearer picture for you.

No, I read the "entire game" part but that could mean several different things. If your opponent does it on literally every attack or assault, I guess I could see why it could get annoying for people, but I'm there for us both to have fun and if that's how they enjoy themselves then so be it. If it's maybe once per shooting phase and once or twice per assault phase, especially when there's some epic attacking going on but it lasts the entire game that's still "the entire game" but it's an extremely different scenario.

Now I've not gamed at your group, maybe it got ridiculous there. But I know a few guys that make the odd sound effect and hell, even invent names for the drivers of their vehicles and backstories for why they do so badly. To me it's all just a little extra immersiveness and a good bit of fun.

Maybe I should have made it clearer. What I mean by entire game, is that on every turn, in every sequence (Yes even movement) this person makes sound effects. For everything.

Now, just so you don't get the wrong idea (example- I hate all fun, I'm only there for my fun and anyone else who doesn't do what I do needs to feth off) I've never spoken to this person about it. I just let him be him and if it makes the game more exciting for him, then rock on. Doesn't mean it won't drive me up the wall, this is afterall a thread to talk about Pet Peeves. Maybe most people don't share the same feelings on this particular subject, but to each there own.

And I'm also all about immersion and usually don't play big 40k games, as I like to stick to skirmish games like Necromunda, Mordheim etc. where I can get attached to the story/stories of the models involved.

Different strokes for Different folks

**Eladar**

I didn't mean to cause offense with my hating all fun comment. That was just a joke.

And yeah, for literally everything would be pretty irritating to any sane person.

**Anpu42**

Eladar wrote:
I didn't mean to cause offense with my hating all fun comment. That was just a joke.

And yeah, for literally everything would be pretty irritating to any sane person.

So most of us should be safe.

**Rihgu**

master of ordinance wrote:
One from last night: As you all know there is a certain Marine player in my regular opponents list. well, I was feeling nice so I agreed to a game where we would only use Infantry and Walkers as he hates my tanks and we made up some fluff about it being a cavern city where the passages to it where too narrow for the larger vehicles, etc.
just a friendly game....
No cheesecake or anything....

So I turn up with a Veteran infantry list supported by three armoured Sentinels, 7 Ogryns and a Rapier Laser Destroyer. A mix of Grenadiers and Forward Sentries, with only a few sections having Melta. A nice, fun and friendly list. my only nasty blast stuff where my two Master of Ordnance. And I had a Vindicaire as he was a new model of mine and I just wanted to try him out

He turns up with three Ironclads, A Tactical squad, Tiberus the Red Wake as his warlord with a unit of Lightning Claw terminators as his second troops choice, a Vindicaire, an Eversor and Fulgrim the Primarch supported by a couple of Devestators. Oh, and a three man Conclave led by Severin Loth. And two 5 man Sniper Scout squads.

I held. Oh boy did I hold the line. I lost everything apart from two Forward Sentry sections and my non warlord Company Command section, my Vindicaire a single Armoured Sentinel. He won, 11 Victory points to my 9 in the end. It wasnt the regular Marines that where killing me, leastwhys not that much. It was the Primarch and that Eversor. The Eversor would not stop passing that 4+ save, the few times I actually managed to hit him and the Primarch, well I managed to get ONE wound on him the entire game. I killed the regular Marines, I killed most of the Terminators and even managed (despite my almost nonexistent anti tank) to destroy two of the Ironclads and glance the third once.
But the Assassin and Primarch ATE my centre and half my left flank whilst the Ironclads and Terminators with MR Tberus the Red Wake removed my entire right flank.

Never ever ever again am I agreeing to a friendly game without tanks, EVER.

Most of your battle report-type posts are "I brought a fun, fluffy list; he brought crazy cheese. I held/it was a close game." and then later on you post about how weak the Guard codex is...

Which reminds me of one of my pet peeves: When your opponent is doing well but acts like any slight drawback is a killing blow to his army. Kill the guy's Vindicare turn one? He gets sulky and depressed and talks about how the unit that did it is "so op" or "man, Vindicares are weaker that I thought they were..."

A few people I play with do it, but the peeviest of them all... His 'catch phrase' is "I might as well give up now, there's no way I can win this".
I've won one in about a dozen games against this guy.

**Ashiraya**

I believe he usually says he compensates with his superior gameplay skills, or something like that.

**rowboatjellyfanxiii**

Not game-related but when my friend barely knows ANY fluff at all but he's played for longer and does more armies. He didnt even know who fething Horus was until last week and persists in the misguded belief that Sanguinius will come back.

**Slayer le boucher**

rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:
Not game-related but when my friend barely knows ANY fluff at all but he's played for longer and does more armies. He didnt even know who fething Horus was until last week and persists in the misguded belief that Sanguinius will come back.

Well to be honest all the Stupid Marines believe their primarchs will comes magically back to life...

**War Kitten**

Well. In some cases the primarch is just missing and might eventually show back up, then there's Vulkan, who probably will magically return to life, being a perpetual

**master of ordinance**

Argh, you two!

There are only two battle results I have mentioned - though to be fair I have mentioned them several times so easy mistake to make. The first was the one where I out played my opponent and the second was the 'held the line' one.
Anyway, when I say "I held" what I mean is that I still had a small castle left at the end of the game.... Consisting of my last two Vet sections, my Vindicaire, last Sentinel and my surviving Company Command Section. The rest of my line was swiss cheese that had recently encountered a very hungry cheese fetishist. In Switzerland.

Anyway, what do you want me to do - advance?! Into a primarch and an Eversor?!

No thank you I think I will take my chances in the line

**j31c3n**

Rihgu wrote:

Which reminds me of one of my pet peeves: When your opponent is doing well but acts like any slight drawback is a killing blow to his army. Kill the guy's Vindicare turn one? He gets sulky and depressed and talks about how the unit that did it is "so op" or "man, Vindicares are weaker that I thought they were..."

An old friend of mine used to be of this mindset. I recall once facing his CSM list (this was back in early 6th when CSM were pretty good). He'd brought a fairly competitive list, though nothing totally crazy (I think he only had one Heldrake) which included a Land Raider. I took aim with my MOTF's conversion beamer and managed to kill it on the first shot of the first turn of play! He threw his hands up in the air and said, "That's it! That's the game!" I even offered to start the game entirely over (redeploy and everything) but he insisted that he just "wasn't feeling it" anymore.

**deviantduck**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:
Not game-related but when my friend barely knows ANY fluff at all but he's played for longer and does more armies. He didnt even know who fething Horus was until last week and persists in the misguded belief that Sanguinius will come back.

Well to be honest all the Stupid Marines believe their primarchs will comes magically back to life...

Well... Horus, Ferrus Manus, Sanguinius, and Konrad Curze are dead. The other 14 can't come back to life because they never died.

**rowboatjellyfanxiii**

Guilliman mightaswell be dead, for all he's useful for at the moment.
Vulkan is like the only Primarch we know is definitely going to live cuz he's a perpetual.

**j31c3n**

deviantduck wrote:
Slayer le boucher wrote:
rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:
Not game-related but when my friend barely knows ANY fluff at all but he's played for longer and does more armies. He didnt even know who fething Horus was until last week and persists in the misguded belief that Sanguinius will come back.

Well to be honest all the Stupid Marines believe their primarchs will comes magically back to life...

Well... Horus, Ferrus Manus, Sanguinius, and Konrad Curze are dead. The other 14 can't come back to life because they never died.

What about Rogal "all we found was his hand" Dorn and Alpharius (killed in single combat by Guilliman)? As far as I'm aware the only "confirmed alive" Loyalist is the Lion.

**jwr**

deviantduck wrote:
Slayer le boucher wrote:
rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:
Not game-related but when my friend barely knows ANY fluff at all but he's played for longer and does more armies. He didnt even know who fething Horus was until last week and persists in the misguded belief that Sanguinius will come back.

Well to be honest all the Stupid Marines believe their primarchs will comes magically back to life...

Well... Horus, Ferrus Manus, Sanguinius, and Konrad Curze are dead. The other 14 can't come back to life because they never died.

Don't forget the Primarchs from the two expunged Legions. There's no evidence those Primarchs and their entire Legions are dead, simply that all records of them have been expunged. For all we know, the "40k endgame" is not mankind finding an STC or a nid/cron fight to the finish over the bones, but 2 expunged Legions from an uncharted part of the galaxy with over 100 centuries unhampered by the Imperium will come back and kick the s**t out of everybody.

For all we know, that will be GW's "AoS" for 40k. Introducing the Lost Legions as a new playable faction.

**Captain Blood**

j31c3n wrote:
Rihgu wrote:

Which reminds me of one of my pet peeves: When your opponent is doing well but acts like any slight drawback is a killing blow to his army. Kill the guy's Vindicare turn one? He gets sulky and depressed and talks about how the unit that did it is "so op" or "man, Vindicares are weaker that I thought they were..."

An old friend of mine used to be of this mindset. I recall once facing his CSM list (this was back in early 6th when CSM were pretty good). He'd brought a fairly competitive list, though nothing totally crazy (I think he only had one Heldrake) which included a Land Raider. I took aim with my MOTF's conversion beamer and managed to kill it on the first shot of the first turn of play! He threw his hands up in the air and said, "That's it! That's the game!" I even offered to start the game entirely over (redeploy and everything) but he insisted that he just "wasn't feeling it" anymore.

I actually find it quite funny when I roll dice so badly that something dies early/badly - managed snake-eyes for terminator saving throws two turns in a row - frakkin hilarious.

Of course I reserve the right to laugh at my opponent when similar happens to them.

My group of regular players has a joke "special rule" - no nicely painted new unit can ever achieve anything useful in its first game.

**psnmario**

Smelly gamers, man I hate that!

**hanshotfirst**

I walked into my flgs for a game with some guy. im 12 and i was playing someone who looked mid 30s. he immeidietly starts going "let me know if i have to explain anything to you cus you must be a new player." we set up. he gets first turn. Moves. goes to shoot with 5 man tac squad. Im BS 4 so... i hit on 4s right?"

also people who move there models to far on purpose and
my brother

**rowboatjellyfanxiii**

jwr wrote:
deviantduck wrote:
Slayer le boucher wrote:
rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:
Not game-related but when my friend barely knows ANY fluff at all but he's played for longer and does more armies. He didnt even know who fething Horus was until last week and persists in the misguded belief that Sanguinius will come back.

Well to be honest all the Stupid Marines believe their primarchs will comes magically back to life...

Well... Horus, Ferrus Manus, Sanguinius, and Konrad Curze are dead. The other 14 can't come back to life because they never died.

Don't forget the Primarchs from the two expunged Legions. There's no evidence those Primarchs and their entire Legions are dead, simply that all records of them have been expunged. For all we know, the "40k endgame" is not mankind finding an STC or a nid/cron fight to the finish over the bones, but 2 expunged Legions from an uncharted part of the galaxy with over 100 centuries unhampered by the Imperium will come back and kick the s**t out of everybody.

For all we know, that will be GW's "AoS" for 40k. Introducing the Lost Legions as a new playable faction.

Several Primarchs in BL novels state that they dissappeared under Tragic circumstances. Whenever one of them disappeared, Ultras got bigger.
So they got collapsed into XIII Legion.

**Selym**

Zagaboff wrote:
I hate long set up times, and any point where people talk about how good their unit is. And wasting time between rolls

Two days ago, I had this:

Me:
-scores seventeen wounds on some marines
"that's seventeen armour saves"

Opponent:
-counts out seventeen dice
-starts talking about some gak
-sees funny look
-picks up the dice
-still talking
-won't shut up
-puts the dice back down
-talking some more

Me:
"roll the saves"
-prompting motion

Opponent:
-recounts the dice
-picks them up
-is about to roll
-talking again
-puts the dice back down

Me:
-IRL facepalm

Opponent:
-picks the dice back up
-still talking
-remembers that he is holding dice
-"what's this roll for again?"

Me:
- "I got seventeen wounds on your marines"

Opponent:
-rolls dice
-starts talking again

Me:
-impatient face

Opponent:
-still talking
-starts collecting he dice back up
-forgets that he failed several rolls
-still talking

Me:
- "so those guys die"

Oponent:
- "who?"

**saithor**

Selym wrote:
Zagaboff wrote:
I hate long set up times, and any point where people talk about how good their unit is. And wasting time between rolls

Two days ago, I had this:

Me:
-scores seventeen wounds on some marines
"that's seventeen armour saves"

Opponent:
-counts out seventeen dice
-starts talking about some gak
-sees funny look
-picks up the dice
-still talking
-won't shut up
-puts the dice back down
-talking some more

Me:
"roll the saves"
-prompting motion

Opponent:
-recounts the dice
-picks them up
-is about to roll
-talking again
-puts the dice back down

Me:
-IRL facepalm

Opponent:
-picks the dice back up
-still talking
-remembers that he is holding dice
-"what's this roll for again?"

Me:
- "I got seventeen wounds on your marines"

Opponent:
-rolls dice
-starts talking again

Me:
-impatient face

Opponent:
-still talking
-starts collecting he dice back up
-forgets that he failed several rolls
-still talking

Me:
- "so those guys die"

Oponent:
- "who?"

That is probably the worst attempt at cheating I have heard of in my life. Is he like this all the time?

**deviantduck**

Sounds pretty normal to me:
Player rolls dice. Looks at dice. What am i rolling for again?

Seen that too many times to count.

**Selym**

saithor wrote:

That is probably the worst attempt at cheating I have heard of in my life. Is he like this all the time?

It's not that he's trying to cheat, but he does this all the time. Went on holiday for a week with him, and he talked pretty much constantly. Couldn't get a word in edgewise.

**Slayer le boucher**

Also, forgot 2++ rerollable saves from Screamerstar...

Its ridiculous, no ficking invulnerable save should be better then 4++...

**master of ordinance**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
Also, forgot 2++ rerollable saves from Screamerstar...

Its ridiculous, no ficking invulnerable save should be better then 4++...

Ugh do not strt me. That bloody

of a special snowflake psyker Severin Loth and his "Expend 1 Warpcharge for a 3++ invulnerable save". Sure, I can see how the designers where thinking things. In a game where the player only had 2, maybe 4 at the most charges being generated plus the D6. not so bad, though still damn powerful. In a game where my opponent has 10+ levels minimal, plus his D6 extra? Hell no, he dosnt even feel that 1 charge being expended. Then combine that with Endurance on the

marty sue librarian and BAM - an unkillable monster of

and lemon juice.

The 3+ needs to cost more, something like 2 or 3 charges.

**Ashiraya**

You're complaining about a non-issue since Loth can no longer use his 2++. 7th edition broke his rules.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/659299.page

He must spend a warp charge at the beginning of the turn to get 2++... but warp charges are not generated until the psychic phase, so there is no way to activate it.