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 Grimmor wrote:

rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:
When my opponent has been playing Tau, gets called a WAAC by just about everyone in the shop, then I go and fkin destroy him with the XIIIth Legion.

Then he yells that Marneus Calgar is OP and that my model was illegal because it's the £11 one in Artificier Armour

Spoiler:

which means he TECHNCALLY CANT TAKE GAUNTLETS OF ULTRAMAR. The same guy uses 4th Ed. XV8 team and I be like:

Um thats the 4th ed Calgar model, i have that one. He just cant deepstrike, thats literally it

Read the new codex, he has to take Termy armour for Gauntlets now, I'm also aware that it's a 4th Ed model but is still sold by GW in Failcast rather than metal.

-Edited by insaniak. Please see Dakka's Rule #1- Guys that talk a mile a minute and know the rule book like the back of their hand that then use those skills to cheat against newer players. Then when you call them out they really poorly try to play dumb, like it was an honest mistake. It's just a dick move that does nothing but turn new people off but there seems to be one in every group.

The guy who insists on leaving his game to go over to your table and interrupt your game by forcing one of you into an awkward conversation that neither of you want.

Happened three times in one day.

People who make blanket Statements like
"If it was not for X Formation No-One would take Y Unit".

Mainly people who don't know the rules for their own models. This game has a lot of rules bloat, and while I know my own relevant rules pretty well, it's annoying when someone else doesn't know how their stuff work.

Especially if the rule in question makes your units powerful. I used to have a tough time against the Tau codex because my opponent was playing marker lights wrong. When flyers were released, they seemed OP because the first few guys to use them used the movement rules wrong.

Also GWs tiers of codexes. It's starting to become like 3.5 DND where we need to put the codexes in tiers and only have games within a tier or one higher/lower to make the game fun. My eldar haven't been played in a while now, and its a Biel-Tan force. My friends Iyanden, which he bought in 3rd when they were, arguably, the worst choice in craftworld, gets dirty looks from everyone.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Also, forgot 2++ rerollable saves from Screamerstar...

Its ridiculous, no ficking invulnerable save should be better then 4++...

Stormshields?

The Shadowfield with its 2++ but fail and you loose it worked fine......

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Also, forgot 2++ rerollable saves from Screamerstar...

Its ridiculous, no ficking invulnerable save should be better then 4++...

Stormshields?

The Shadowfield with its 2++ but fail and you loose it worked fine......

NO INVULNERABLE SAVE SHOULD BE BETTER THEN 4+.

Even stormshields should never have gone from 4+ in CC only to 3++ anytime just for the gak and giggles.

Models with a 2+ save that cost 40pts a pop with a 4++ save, was more then enough, before that no One in the whole game had a invul save better then 4+, now you see dozens of ways to get 3++ and 2++ and its perfectly normal...

Well no its not normal, its annoying has feth and it gives players that arn't good players at all, too much power, because they rely on that, and then they throw a tantrum when it does fail them.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Also, forgot 2++ rerollable saves from Screamerstar...

Its ridiculous, no ficking invulnerable save should be better then 4++...

There is nothing wrong with 3+ or even 2+ invuln saves. The only things they need to keep them balanced are;

1) They should cost a decent chunk of pts in relation to the model that's getting said save.
25-30pts for example for a 2++ on a T3 model is fine. However, if you're giving even a 3++ invuln to the likes of say a Wraithknight or super close combaty T5 IC, then that save needs to cost a lot more!

2) No ability to re-roll 3+ and for the love of all sanity a 2+ invuln save!
Really, if your invuln is 3+ or better, than any potential re-roll needs to simply be capped at 4+, or even a 5+ on the re-roll.


3+ and even 2+ invuln saves on their own are not that difficult to deal with for the most part. (the exception being for example, on the likes of a T6+ MC/FMC or a high AV super heavy, ect...)
The vast majority of 3+ and even 2+ invulns though are on T3/4 enemies, which should simply be drowned in basic small arms fire. (ie: the same freaking way you deal with 2+ saves when you don't have ready access to plentiful ap2!!)

A few things..

People who complain about 2++ saves. Play another game.

People who save loth doesn't work an refuse to let him do things. Go play another game.

Rolling a 1 for your gets hot roll for a Terminator with a Plasma Blaster. Then rolling a 1 for your armor save. And then rolling a one to wound with the one Plasma shot he got off.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Rolling a 1 for your gets hot roll for a Terminator with a Plasma Blaster. Then rolling a 1 for your armor save. And then rolling a one to wound with the one Plasma shot he got off.

There's a story there, I'm sure

It was a Horus Heresy game I played earlier this week. An Iron Warriors Tyrant Siege Terminator squad deep struck behind my line of armor in the hopes of destroying my Imperial Army Baneblade. It got some good hits in the Baneblade which was then finished off by traitor air support. The honor of my Legion was being besmirched by not only losing such a valuable war asset but by a squad that had infiltrated into my own territory no less! The Sons of Guilliman could not let this stand.

My Land Raider repaired the immobilization it got from a dangerous terrain test at the start of the game, made a hard turn to the right and came down on the Iron Warriors. It disgorged it's load of a honored command squad which included a chosen warrior with a Plasma Blaster. The mighty Land Raider failed to do any wounds thanks to the Traitors clever use of cover and their advanced cataphractii armor. So the onus was on my Command Squad to destroy these traitors to restore the honor of the Legio XIII. I fired with every weapon at my disposal. They managed to fell an Iron Warrior with the combined fire of their combi-bolters and the Sergeants Combi-melta. Honorable Brother Anidias, entrusted with the squad's plasma blaster, took aim at the traitor legionnaires and squeezed the trigger. The first shot only scored a glancing hit that, while damaging the suit of armor, did not neutralize the target. The Plasma Blaster's unpredictable machine spirit went into a fury and the weapon exploded in Anidias' hands! His armor did not save him and thus the chosen fell without accomplishing anything useful.

Fortunately the rest of the command squad weathered the overwatch fire and managed to destroy the traitor Legionnaires! Though two brothers had perished in the combat the honor of the Legion had been restored in their eyes.

^^^^
Legion Approved

rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:
Read the new codex, he has to take Termy armour for Gauntlets now,.

There is no such requirement in the 7th ed codex.

It just doesn't actually say how he gets the gauntlets at all... They're listed as a Chapter Relic at the bottom of his entry, but nothing in his entry says that he has them. whether he has his terminator armour or not.

The general assumption is that he always has them. Nothing indicates that he should only have them in terminator armour.

 Anpu42 wrote:
People who make blanket Statements like
"If it was not for X Formation No-One would take Y Unit".

But that's true for ASM and devastators.

Martel732 wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
People who make blanket Statements like
"If it was not for X Formation No-One would take Y Unit".

But that's true for ASM and devastators.

Everyone I play with [that plays Marines] Take them and a few others I know do to, so that is not a true 'Blanket Statement'.

Haven't read the full thread and I bet this has been said before but....

TFG's!

Can be a rules lawyer, can be someone imposing in your game (almost always on your oppo's side and helping them out) or just the general stench of BO and unwashed clothes.

We all know a TFG. We all wish they didn't exist. And, if you don't know a TFG, it may be you!

moogy wrote:
Haven't read the full thread and I bet this has been said before but....

TFG's!

Can be a rules lawyer, can be someone imposing in your game (almost always on your oppo's side and helping them out) or just the general stench of BO and unwashed clothes.

We all know a TFG. We all wish they didn't exist. And, if you don't know a TFG, it may be you!

I know two TFG's, and I'm fairly certain I'm on my way to a third...

It's not just me is it?

And why is it always the SM players?

 Selym wrote:

moogy wrote:
Haven't read the full thread and I bet this has been said before but....

TFG's!

Can be a rules lawyer, can be someone imposing in your game (almost always on your oppo's side and helping them out) or just the general stench of BO and unwashed clothes.

We all know a TFG. We all wish they didn't exist. And, if you don't know a TFG, it may be you!

I know two TFG's, and I'm fairly certain I'm on my way to a third...

It's not just me is it?

And why is it always the SM players?

Eh, this might be an example of why.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/661406.page

 saithor wrote:

 Selym wrote:

moogy wrote:
Haven't read the full thread and I bet this has been said before but....

TFG's!

Can be a rules lawyer, can be someone imposing in your game (almost always on your oppo's side and helping them out) or just the general stench of BO and unwashed clothes.

We all know a TFG. We all wish they didn't exist. And, if you don't know a TFG, it may be you!

I know two TFG's, and I'm fairly certain I'm on my way to a third...

It's not just me is it?

And why is it always the SM players?

Eh, this might be an example of why.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/661406.page

Cannot be unread.

 Selym wrote:

 saithor wrote:

 Selym wrote:

moogy wrote:
Haven't read the full thread and I bet this has been said before but....

TFG's!

Can be a rules lawyer, can be someone imposing in your game (almost always on your oppo's side and helping them out) or just the general stench of BO and unwashed clothes.

We all know a TFG. We all wish they didn't exist. And, if you don't know a TFG, it may be you!

I know two TFG's, and I'm fairly certain I'm on my way to a third...

It's not just me is it?

And why is it always the SM players?

Eh, this might be an example of why.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/661406.page

Cannot be unread.

*Snort* yep. At least now I can say I managed to fit a Miracle on 34th street quote into an argument about a Minature Wargame, so at least I got that out of it.

 Anpu42 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
People who make blanket Statements like
"If it was not for X Formation No-One would take Y Unit".

But that's true for ASM and devastators.

Everyone I play with [that plays Marines] Take them and a few others I know do to, so that is not a true 'Blanket Statement'.

Wow. That's... interesting to say the least given how awful they are.

Martel732 wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
People who make blanket Statements like
"If it was not for X Formation No-One would take Y Unit".

But that's true for ASM and devastators.

Everyone I play with [that plays Marines] Take them and a few others I know do to, so that is not a true 'Blanket Statement'.

Wow. That's... interesting to say the least given how awful they are.

In you META they are.
In ours they are mid tier units, but then we don't have tons of Scatter-Bikes, Wrathkights or Riptides.

that's something that's always gotten me. very rarely is a unit absolutely terrible in all situations. I love seeing someone go on and on how assault marines are terrible because assault terminators do better on close combat, it just goes to show that either a large number of people don't know how to use assault marines (or equivalent, this is just an example), or people just love to quote net lists and the like.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
A few things..

People who complain about 2++ saves. Play another game.

People who save loth doesn't work an refuse to let him do things. Go play another game.

We did play another game , it was Called Warhammer 40.000 3Rd edition, then gak started to go south.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
A few things..

People who complain about 2++ saves. Play another game.

People who save loth doesn't work an refuse to let him do things. Go play another game.

We did play another game , it was Called Warhammer 40.000 3Rd edition, then gak started to go south.

Oh take off the rose tinted glasses, the older editions had their pros, but the cons were still there.

My peeve? Kids in the store who move around the models in a game. DON'T DO THAT. What is more annoying is when the parents don't do anything. What's even MORE annoying is when you politely tell the kid to not touch things and the parent gets mad at you for 'bossing their kid around'. Kids, man.

 Brennonjw wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
A few things..

People who complain about 2++ saves. Play another game.

People who save loth doesn't work an refuse to let him do things. Go play another game.

We did play another game , it was Called Warhammer 40.000 3Rd edition, then gak started to go south.

Oh take off the rose tinted glasses, the older editions had their pros, but the cons were still there.

Won't argue with that, there sure was cons, but you could have simple and unrestrained fun.

 PaulTheFirewoodSalesman wrote:
My peeve? Kids in the store who move around the models in a game. DON'T DO THAT. What is more annoying is when the parents don't do anything. What's even MORE annoying is when you politely tell the kid to not touch things and the parent gets mad at you for 'bossing their kid around'. Kids, man.

Or worse a grow up dude, gak faced drunk, that starts to pick up the models to look at them, and when you ask him not to do that, he wanna fight..., but he can't stand straigth up even if his life depended on it.

-When someone picks you one of your models during a game, has a close look, moans about the paint job, then puts it back in the wrong place. Sorry, while I'm not painting master, it's hardly like I don't know the basics. And yes I know there are some little specs where you can see the white undercoat, yes I know it's less noticeable if I used black. At least the damn army is fully painted!

-People who moan when you luck out, the other day I did a last ditch charge with my beat up IG veterans again 20 odd slugga boys and ended up wiping the unit due to extreme luck. Sorry these things happen, don't sulk because you thought it was a sure thing and it went horrendously wrong.

-Battles between SM or SMQ armies.... especially if they're fairly basic line-ups without loads of special rules and units.... it can be like watching paint dry.

-Necrons.... in the last 17 years I have not beat them once.....

I don't like when people do not know the rules of their own armies and this isn't even their first time playing with it!
Why some people can't take some of their time to read their codex atleast once?