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2015/12/18 20:53:10
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Swastakowey wrote: Luke has been covered already as NOT being a Mary Sue (in the impossible to fail sense)... If you think Luke is a mary Sue then im not sure which movie you watched... Anakin I simply dont care about. He too was terrible as is Rey.
It's amusing that all you have done is complain about Rey when literally everybody else that actually knows anything about movies has done nothing but praise the character and Ridley's performance. (Mainly because she's easily the best character out of the lot).
Really? I have read a lot of hate and a lot of love. In fact on reddit there are threads solely in defense of Reys character. So no, not everybody obviously.
If you like her thats fine. I mean some people like Space Marines etc, it's all a matter of taste. In the world of Marvel movies etc I suppose she fits in fine if thats your thing
2015/12/18 21:13:32
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Hoped into space junk and wasted 2 Tie Fighters, could talk to both droids and random aliens, could do Starwars "hacking" and used it to get through the Falcon Sequences, Fixed ships in a matter of seconds, defeated the bad guy with NO HELP at all and also knew all the force moves with again, no help whatsoever. The only thing Rey needed was Finn to get her off the planet (which she did most of the work on anyway), Fin to get her off the bigger death star (which she did most of the work anyway) and Han to give her a laser pistol.
I mean, Luke wasn't even a Jedi at the end of the movie, the force just guided him in one small step of that movie. it didn't
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turn him into a 1 person army that defeated any task in his path
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At least Rey is a reasoning adult who might believably be able to figure out how to use common tech that's wide spread across the galaxy. (and a bit dated in the case of the falcon) It's certainly no less of a stretch than a 6 year old mop-headed kid jumping behind the wheel of a fighter bang! bang! pew! pew! Gee Willikers did you just see all those driods and a space station I just blewed up?
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Hoped into space junk and wasted 2 Tie Fighters, could talk to both droids and random aliens, could do Starwars "hacking" and used it to get through the Falcon Sequences, Fixed ships in a matter of seconds, defeated the bad guy with NO HELP at all and also knew all the force moves with again, no help whatsoever. The only thing Rey needed was Finn to get her off the planet (which she did most of the work on anyway), Fin to get her off the bigger death star (which she did most of the work anyway) and Han to give her a laser pistol.
I mean, Luke wasn't even a Jedi at the end of the movie, the force just guided him in one small step of that movie. it didn't
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turn him into a 1 person army that defeated any task in his path
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At least Rey is a reasoning adult who might believably be able to figure out how to use common tech that's wide spread across the galaxy. (and a bit dated in the case of the falcon) It's certainly no less of a stretch than a 6 year old mop-headed kid jumping behind the wheel of a fighter bang! bang! pew! pew! Gee Willikers did you just see all those driods and a space station I just blewed up?
Yes I agree, like I said it's better than the prequels for sure. It would just be nice if the "skills" got spread through the "party" a bit more.
2015/12/18 21:36:18
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Enjoyed it. Are there any credible theories as to whom Rey is waiting on Jakku for? Could it be Luke?
All the great shots on the desert planet had me thinking, rhough. Why can't anyone get dune right?
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Would Han and Leia really call their son Ben ? If you look at it Han maybe knew Ben for 1 day or so ? Which nearly got him killed. Leia never even met him -- birth aside perhaps .
So that struck me as a bit weird. Luke I'd understand doing it -- maybe.
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Leia's father had known Ben/Obi-Wan in the Clone Wars.
So her naming of him could be to honour him and Luke at the same time by using the name which Luke had known him by.
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2015/12/18 22:38:48
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
I liked the rey character, there is a lot of room for development that i think will start in the next film.
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I'm not such a fan of the 'lukes daughter' story because luke has a son in other stories (ben skywalker).
Han solo and leia have three sons and a daughter (ben, jacen, anakin and jaina) so i'd like it if she really was the daughter of han and leia, hidden with a family to stop her being found (and then killed) by ben skywalker who sees killing his family as a test in his training.
That would explain why rey is abandoned - the solo family could be hiding her from ben solo and then splitting up to confuse his searches or convince him he has no other cousins/siblings.
I hope that 'rey' is going to be 'Jaina solo', twin sister of 'jacen solo' (who trains ben skywalker for a while and then eventually turns to the dark side and is killed by Jaina his sister) - ben skywalker supposedly joins his father luke in exile when the decision is made to go.
I recon that the visions rey sees when approaching the saber are 'force messages' left by luke for the right person to 'find' him.
the character 'ben solo' strikes me as a bit like anakin in the prequels - he's supposed to be an annoying, whiny bitch and he did a magnificent job - failing, angry and desperate for acclaim and power, just like a sith should be.
Back to the film - rey had a very human feel about her: much has been said by others about her running, but i believe that was done to suggest that she doesn't use the force at that moment - the life she is leading seemed very hard for the character and running around on shifting sand is hard work from both an exertion and balance perspective.
I enjoyed the way her character was learning how to use the force; learning on the job so to speak: she does some pretty impressive stuff very quickly which i think is being done to show how powerful she will become later in this trilogy.
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2015/12/18 23:02:56
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Sorry but Rey fails at all of one thing in the film- she can't gun down a Sith. Where Luke gets taken out by sand people, Rey fights of her attackers. Luke needs Han to save him from Vader and Obi Wan to protect him in the cantina but Rey just turns the tide on Ren. TWICE. Luke has Leia to lead him out of the detention block but Rey just busts her self out. Luke is far from a unable to fail. Rey wins everything she tries, except gunning down Ren. But that's ok, she'll carve him up later.
Sorry but Rey fails at all of one thing in the film- she can't gun down a Sith. Where Luke gets taken out by sand people, Rey fights of her attackers. Luke needs Han to save him from Vader and Obi Wan to protect him in the cantina but Rey just turns the tide on Ren. TWICE. Luke has Leia to lead him out of the detention block but Rey just busts her self out. Luke is far from a unable to fail. Rey wins everything she tries, except gunning down Ren. But that's ok, she'll carve him up later.
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Exactly, she already carved him up even, he was saved by a crack in the earth. Next she will be carving up the big Snoke guy if the trend persists.
2015/12/18 23:25:19
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
thenoobbomb wrote: I don't think there's anything wrong with the Rey character.
Aside from the inability to gun down a Sith/Jedi, can you name one single thing she fails at or can't do?
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She can't find enough scraps to get a full day of rations.
She does get captured, but again during her big "Mary Sue" moments the Force is using her and not the other way around.
And I think that Kylo Ren is far from being a full fledged Sith or Jedi, so over powering him is really nothing out of the ordinary. From what we see in the movie his skills are limited to building a gakky light saber, pulling and stopping stuff with his force powers (dude can't even force choke a bitch, has to pull him all the way to him so he can choke him with his hands like some sort of commoner) and using the force to torture people. A big theme of the movie is basically that he is still very much an apprentice who requires a lot of training, with his final act consisting of "well, if there's another force user around I guess I better bring him to me so that I can actually train him some more".
We can complain all we want about "OMG, she stood up to a Jedi/Sith and kicked his ass", but let's not forget that she stood up to an apprentice instead of a full fledged Jedi/Sith or Master. Let's also not forget that the prequels (bless their soul) established every single Jedi, apprentice through master, except for 5(?) was killed by ordinary clone troopers and that Jedi were actually captured by ordinary soldiers as well. Despite his ambitions, Kylo Ren is no Darth Vader.
2015/12/19 01:17:02
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Blah blah blah. Your preview powers are weak old man etc.
Yeah, a barely trained Kyle ren who had taken a bowcaster shot from Chewie has trouble taking down potentially someone equally force sensitive and perhaps his sister or cousin. I very much feel like Kylo is at a place in his training similar to Luke either prior to his arrival on Dagobah or shortly there after. Vader was powerful because his anger was focused. Let's remember that Luke picked up force powers pretty quick. Two attempts and he was deflecting training blaster shots on the falcon. Third attempt he force pulls a light saber out of ice. Rey beat up a dark side luke skywalker pre-Yoda.
2015/12/19 01:36:38
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Isn't Rey already skilled in a form of melee combat, which partially explains how she is able to grasp light sabre combat so quickly? I read somewhere that she uses some sort of quarter staff early on in the film.
As for Finn. There was a scene in the trailer when a Stormtrooper draws some sort of electrified sword or staff (Vibroblades? Are Vibroblades making an appearance at last??? I feel nostalgic for KOTOR ). My takeaway from that scene is that the Empire/First Order has learned some lessons from their dealings with Jedi over the decades, and begun training Stormtroopers in sword combat so they can at least defend themselves against Light sabre wielding Jedi.
In the EU, (e.g. the KOTOR games) Vibroblades are weapons made from a special alloy capable of resisting a light sabre, rather than simply being melted through like most metals.
2015/12/19 01:36:51
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
She can't find enough scraps to get a full day of rations.
She does get captured, but again during her big "Mary Sue" moments the Force is using her and not the other way around.
And I think that Kylo Ren is far from being a full fledged Sith or Jedi, so over powering him is really nothing out of the ordinary. From what we see in the movie his skills are limited to building a gakky light saber, pulling and stopping stuff with his force powers (dude can't even force choke a bitch, has to pull him all the way to him so he can choke him with his hands like some sort of commoner) and using the force to torture people. A big theme of the movie is basically that he is still very much an apprentice who requires a lot of training, with his final act consisting of "well, if there's another force user around I guess I better bring him to me so that I can actually train him some more".
We can complain all we want about "OMG, she stood up to a Jedi/Sith and kicked his ass", but let's not forget that she stood up to an apprentice instead of a full fledged Jedi/Sith or Master. Let's also not forget that the prequels (bless their soul) established every single Jedi, apprentice through master, except for 5(?) was killed by ordinary clone troopers and that Jedi were actually captured by ordinary soldiers as well. Despite his ambitions, Kylo Ren is no Darth Vader.
Sorry dude but that's just making excuses. She. Never. Fails. The closest she comes is when she releases the alien beasts but even that turns out to be beneficial move. Even her scavenging fail wasn't a fail, it was a price change- last week those items were worth 3 meals each!
Kylo Ren may be an apprentice, but so was Maul. Anyway you cut it Ren is a trained force user and trained combatant, taught by the finest people in both the Rebellion and First Order. Rey is a teenage scavenger who spent her youth living in a broken AT-AT.
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Yeah, a barely trained Kyle ren who had taken a bowcaster shot from Chewie has trouble taking down potentially someone equally force sensitive and perhaps his sister or cousin.
If she is a Skywalker, her power is potential, not actual. Ren was taken as a padawan by Skywalker himself. He trained long enough to construct his own lightsaber, which would indicate years at the least. We don't know how long he studied under Snoke but by the end of the film Snoke believes it's time to complete his training. In other words he's very close to being a full fledged Jedi/Sith at the time he battles Rey. By any stretch Ren has been receiving elite force training for at least a decade. Rey is literally holding a lightsaber for the very first time.
As to the bowcaster..it must have only winged him. We see several times and it is clearly shown that the bowcaster packs a hell of a punch, throwing people around from it's impact. It's explicitly shown and commented on repeatedly. Since Ren doesn't go flying of the railing or have his guts splattered all over the floor the only reasonable conclusion is the blast grazed him. Nothing else is consistent with what we're explicitly shown of the bowcaster.
She can't find enough scraps to get a full day of rations.
She does get captured, but again during her big "Mary Sue" moments the Force is using her and not the other way around.
And I think that Kylo Ren is far from being a full fledged Sith or Jedi, so over powering him is really nothing out of the ordinary. From what we see in the movie his skills are limited to building a gakky light saber, pulling and stopping stuff with his force powers (dude can't even force choke a bitch, has to pull him all the way to him so he can choke him with his hands like some sort of commoner) and using the force to torture people. A big theme of the movie is basically that he is still very much an apprentice who requires a lot of training, with his final act consisting of "well, if there's another force user around I guess I better bring him to me so that I can actually train him some more".
We can complain all we want about "OMG, she stood up to a Jedi/Sith and kicked his ass", but let's not forget that she stood up to an apprentice instead of a full fledged Jedi/Sith or Master. Let's also not forget that the prequels (bless their soul) established every single Jedi, apprentice through master, except for 5(?) was killed by ordinary clone troopers and that Jedi were actually captured by ordinary soldiers as well. Despite his ambitions, Kylo Ren is no Darth Vader.
Sorry dude but that's just making excuses. She. Never. Fails. The closest she comes is when she releases the alien beasts but even that turns out to be beneficial move. Even her scavenging fail wasn't a fail, it was a price change- last week those items were worth 3 meals each!
Kylo Ren may be an apprentice, but so was Maul. Anyway you cut it Ren is a trained force user and trained combatant, taught by the finest people in both the Rebellion and First Order. Rey is a teenage scavenger who spent her youth living in a broken AT-AT.
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Yeah, a barely trained Kyle ren who had taken a bowcaster shot from Chewie has trouble taking down potentially someone equally force sensitive and perhaps his sister or cousin.
If she is a Skywalker, her power is potential, not actual. Ren was taken as a padawan by Skywalker himself. He trained long enough to construct his own lightsaber, which would indicate years at the least. We don't know how long he studied under Snoke but by the end of the film Snoke believes it's time to complete his training. In other words he's very close to being a full fledged Jedi/Sith at the time he battles Rey. By any stretch Ren has been receiving elite force training for at least a decade. Rey is literally holding a lightsaber for the very first time.
As to the bowcaster..it must have only winged him. We see several times and it is clearly shown that the bowcaster packs a hell of a punch, throwing people around from it's impact. It's explicitly shown and commented on repeatedly. Since Ren doesn't go flying of the railing or have his guts splattered all over the floor the only reasonable conclusion is the blast grazed him. Nothing else is consistent with what we're explicitly shown of the bowcaster.
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As to the bowcaster: It did hit him enough to cause bleeding, they made a point to show him dripping blood into the snow. It did knock him down if I remember right. I'm not well versed on Star Wars technology, but I have heard some people say that part of the power of the bowcaster is that you can charge it up longer to have a harder punch, and that it might have been possible that in his rage he fired a quicker, and weaker, shot. Don't know how legit that may be as an explanation though.
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2015/12/19 01:49:49
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
I was under the impression that the bowcaster shot probably would have killed Kylo except for his Dark Sidedness'ess'ess. I mean, his grandpa got both legs and an arm cut off then was set on fire and didn't die. We are also looking at a torso hit versus a side hip on Kylo as well; I imagine over the course of the films more parts of him might be changed out making him slowly more machine than man.
Of course we still don't know who Rey's parents were as they are never shown in the film. We might assume that it is Luke but it could just as easily be Han/Leia as Luke and Leia are both the kids of Vader so would have reason to be connected to that dastardly sabre. Either we have Cousin vs Cousin or Brother vs Sister, so as usual, it is still a family affair.
I still like Fin the best.
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2015/12/19 01:56:59
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Im right nobody else is this text is for spoilers as asked hahaha im funny
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he cringed when he got hit in pain but he didn't fly in the air like everyone else or get knocked down, which also lead me to the conclusion of a graze. The angle im remembering made it look like a graze too.
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more on Ren, he killed all the students in his order/class thing. He shouldn't be that incompetent at killing someone worse than them.
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2015/12/19 02:09:09
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
I was under the impression that the bowcaster shot probably would have killed Kylo except for his Dark Sidedness'ess'ess. I mean, his grandpa got both legs and an arm cut off then was set on fire and didn't die. We are also looking at a torso hit versus a side hip on Kylo as well; I imagine over the course of the films more parts of him might be changed out making him slowly more machine than man.
Of course we still don't know who Rey's parents were as they are never shown in the film. We might assume that it is Luke but it could just as easily be Han/Leia as Luke and Leia are both the kids of Vader so would have reason to be connected to that dastardly sabre. Either we have Cousin vs Cousin or Brother vs Sister, so as usual, it is still a family affair.
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Glasses said something like "It belonged to Luke, before that it belonged to his father, now it is calling for you". I just think the father-son connection implies more of a generational passing down along the grandfather-son-daughter line than a father-son-niece line.
I also think that whoever left her on that planet as a child wasn't exactly looking out for her since she was left with the crappy junk-dealer from the beginning. Even little Annie had a better life as a slave than she did, and Luke was left with boring family but at least he had it fairly nice, all things considered. I could see Han/Luke/Whoever wanting to hide her from Kylo Ren, but I think that they would have left her with the first dude we see talking to Poe instead of the crappy place she ended up. I could go with the "Kylo went mad, killed other students, couldn't bring himself to "kill the youngling" since she was a cousin, so instead of killing her he dumped her at a gakky place, but at least she was alive and not on her conscience anymore" theory
2015/12/19 02:09:32
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
As to the bowcaster: It did hit him enough to cause bleeding, they made a point to show him dripping blood into the snow. It did knock him down if I remember right. I'm not well versed on Star Wars technology, but I have heard some people say that part of the power of the bowcaster is that you can charge it up longer to have a harder punch, and that it might have been possible that in his rage he fired a quicker, and weaker, shot. Don't know how legit that may be as an explanation though.
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Nothing on Wookieepedia suggests this, and I've never heard of it. More it's just a bigger, heavier weapon. Though I did find it kinda odd that after how many years together Han is just now coming to realise Chewwie has been packing this cannon? Clearly the shot wounded him but it only put him on one knee. We see other shots that blast apart stone staircases, throwing four stormtroopers into the air. Another is hit in the chest (electro tonfa guy) and goes flying back like 20 feet doing a backflip. It's just that we get shown how powerful it is AND we get Han commenting on it. Like they're making a point of it.
It's far more parsimonious to assume the shot hit his high quality armour on the side winging him. That way he doesn't get blown off that thin (rail-less) walkway but does suffer a wound. He does after all appear to be bleeding from his side. On the note of his injury, we should remember that Rey was also picked up a good 20 feet in the air and slammed into a tree, then dropped to the ground rendering her unconscious. This is after she's been imprisoned and tortured. She she's not going into the fight with Ren at 100% either.
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A theory about Rey's parentage. Yes it does appear she's Luke's. But my personal theory is that Luke basically slipped up and let his passion get the better of him. He deviated from the path of the Jedi/Light side, for at least one night. My theory is that a young Ben Solo saw/discovered this and it planted the seed. Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Imagine finding out your master was indeed lying? That passion could overtake him? Once that seed is planted you have the path to the dark side. You also have an excellent reason for Luke to hold himself responsible for what happened to his students. Basically Luke messes up at some point and demonstrates to Ben that even the greatest Jedi is only lying to themselves. Ben, with subtle encouragement for Snoke, embraces the idea. Whoever the mother is, I doubt Luke knew she was ever pregnant and probably dumped Ren due to pursuit by the First Order (hide the child on the desert planet again!). Whoever she was, she dies and Ren is left to her own devices. My pet theory.
Swastakowey wrote: Im right nobody else is this text is for spoilers as asked hahaha im funny
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more on Ren, he killed all the students in his order/class thing. He shouldn't be that incompetent at killing someone worse than them.
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True, but if she is Luke's daughter, and was already receiving some training that maybe he mind-blocked when he dumped her off there that is pushing back out now that the force has awakened...
Of course that goes into speculation territory, and you would think that Kylo Ren would remember dropping her off on that planet where some chick that seems the right age suddenly shows up from who seems to have force powers. But of course you would also think that someone with the empire would notice a Skywalker running around on the same planet that Darth Vader was from, so there is that...
2015/12/19 02:17:25
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Swastakowey wrote: Im right nobody else is this text is for spoilers as asked hahaha im funny
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more on Ren, he killed all the students in his order/class thing. He shouldn't be that incompetent at killing someone worse than them.
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True, but if she is Luke's daughter, and was already receiving some training that maybe he mind-blocked when he dumped her off there that is pushing back out now that the force has awakened...
Of course that goes into speculation territory, and you would think that Kylo Ren would remember dropping her off on that planet where some chick that seems the right age suddenly shows up from who seems to have force powers. But of course you would also think that someone with the empire would notice a Skywalker running around on the same planet that Darth Vader was from, so there is that...
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Unless Rey was trained without knowledge of Lukes first class of jedi (who Ren killed...) then it seems weird that he doesn't simply remember her. All in all... it's dumb. It's gonna take some back tracking on what we know to get the story making sense unless we are all missing something obvious.
I was pretty sure Darth Vader thought Luke etc was dead and I don't think many people knew Darth vader was Anakin Sky Walker etc.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also did anyone else notice the opening crawl has RESISTANCE in caps?
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2015/12/19 02:23:17
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Swastakowey wrote: Im right nobody else is this text is for spoilers as asked hahaha im funny
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more on Ren, he killed all the students in his order/class thing. He shouldn't be that incompetent at killing someone worse than them.
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True, but if she is Luke's daughter, and was already receiving some training that maybe he mind-blocked when he dumped her off there that is pushing back out now that the force has awakened...
Of course that goes into speculation territory, and you would think that Kylo Ren would remember dropping her off on that planet where some chick that seems the right age suddenly shows up from who seems to have force powers. But of course you would also think that someone with the empire would notice a Skywalker running around on the same planet that Darth Vader was from, so there is that...
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Unless Rey was trained without knowledge of Lukes first class of jedi (who Ren killed...) then it seems weird that he doesn't simply remember her. All in all... it's dumb. It's gonna take some back tracking on what we know to get the story making sense unless we are all missing something obvious.
I was pretty sure Darth Vader thought Luke etc was dead and I don't think many people knew Darth vader was Anakin Sky Walker etc.
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I do think that she was physically there when Kylo Ren did whatever he did.
I don't think that Luke imprinted any sort of force memories in that light saber and I do think that the last time he laid hands on that thigh was as it was floating down the shaft in Cloud City.
It probably does have a lot of "force" inside of it though, so if it is calling for "family" it could have revealed memories that she already had but repressed or had blocked by someone else. Which also makes it hard to decide if the "you dream of water and an island" was a vision of the future of a memory of the past.
Also did anyone else notice the opening crawl has RESISTANCE in caps?
That's nothing new, from Wikipedia:
Two typefaces are used in the text, both in yellow: News Gothic for the episode number and main body of the text, and Univers for the title of the film.[citation needed] Several words are in all-capital letters to stress their importance: "DEATH STAR" in A New Hope, "GALACTIC EMPIRE" in Return of the Jedi, "ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC" in Attack of the Clones, and "FIRST ORDER", "REPUBLIC" and "RESISTANCE" in The Force Awakens (which is, until now, the only film in the saga to include more than one word in all-capital letters). Each line of the text spans the width of the screen when it enters from the bottom.
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2015/12/19 02:28:29
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Swastakowey wrote: Im right nobody else is this text is for spoilers as asked hahaha im funny
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more on Ren, he killed all the students in his order/class thing. He shouldn't be that incompetent at killing someone worse than them.
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True, but if she is Luke's daughter, and was already receiving some training that maybe he mind-blocked when he dumped her off there that is pushing back out now that the force has awakened...
Of course that goes into speculation territory, and you would think that Kylo Ren would remember dropping her off on that planet where some chick that seems the right age suddenly shows up from who seems to have force powers. But of course you would also think that someone with the empire would notice a Skywalker running around on the same planet that Darth Vader was from, so there is that...
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Unless Rey was trained without knowledge of Lukes first class of jedi (who Ren killed...) then it seems weird that he doesn't simply remember her. All in all... it's dumb. It's gonna take some back tracking on what we know to get the story making sense unless we are all missing something obvious.
I was pretty sure Darth Vader thought Luke etc was dead and I don't think many people knew Darth vader was Anakin Sky Walker etc.
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I do think that she was physically there when Kylo Ren did whatever he did.
I don't think that Luke imprinted any sort of force memories in that light saber and I do think that the last time he laid hands on that thigh was as it was floating down the shaft in Cloud City.
It probably does have a lot of "force" inside of it though, so if it is calling for "family" it could have revealed memories that she already had but repressed or had blocked by someone else. Which also makes it hard to decide if the "you dream of water and an island" was a vision of the future of a memory of the past.
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So she shared the same class as Ren? If Ren killed the first class of Jedi (and the only class) then that means she escaped and Ren did not notice somehow and THEN Ren has to forget her face and so on.
Im pretty sure we get the Light Saber answer next movie since the Orange Alien said "a story for later". I wont speculate on that.
The force is always said to be referencing the future ("I have foreseen it" etc) but never the past. However we see Luke put something into R2 (map clearly) which was in the past so im not sure.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I see, I never noticed that before, I was wondering why for a lot for the film why it would be in caps.
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2015/12/19 02:31:17
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Like the first movie though, neither death star has any fleet support. invest a huge amount of time, money and resources on a super weapon, leave it unguarded, a classic case of those failing to remember history being doomed to repeat it I guess. what they can't spare a star destroyer or two to protect the thing?
you'd think the first order/empire would give up on the super weapons by now, surely after 3 of them get blown up their empire is drowning in dept, who's giving those guys loans to build those things. but I bet they have a new one for the last movie
after thought, do you think they played the announcement from ANH about how they think their splitting up?
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2015/12/19 02:35:22
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Like the first movie though, neither death star has any fleet support. invest a huge amount of time, money and resources on a super weapon, leave it unguarded, a classic case of those failing to remember history being doomed to repeat it I guess. what they can't spare a star destroyer or two to protect the thing?
you'd think the first order/empire would give up on the super weapons by now, surely after 3 of them get blown up their empire is drowning in dept, who's giving those guys loans to build those things. but I bet they have a new one for the last movie
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I thought it was weird how they didn't blow up the rebels with the first wave of attacks. Surely one of those 5 planets we know nothing about could have waited before being destroyed.
Also it didn't look like the Planet could be moved, so they powered it using a limited resource.
Really it would have been cooler to see the empire fight for the capital planet. Massive space battle, storm troopers doing a D-Day style landing on the planet and fighting through urban rubble spire by spire. Resistance fighting backwards through the rubble. Could have been great I think and different.
40IK - PP Conversion Project Files
). My takeaway from that scene is that the Empire/First Order has learned some lessons from their dealings with Jedi over the decades, and begun training Stormtroopers in sword combat so they can at least defend themselves against Light sabre wielding Jedi.
