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2016/01/02 06:15:29
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
DarthDiggler wrote: This is my theory to explain Rey. She absorbs the powers/abilities of those around her. Maybe even memories. That explains how she could complete Hans sentences and knew where flight switches were in the cockpit better than him. The alien she sold junk to owned the Falcon and she probably absorbed the initial memories of the Falcon from him. Being with Han and Chewie increased those memories/abilities.
A simpler explanation is she'd worked on it for him in the past, likely helping the junkyard owner make the modifications he made. Hence why she said 'That? It's a peice of junk' when they were looking for a ship to take. Because she knew it was a peice of junk from working on it.
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2016/01/02 11:45:39
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Part of the cross media approach Disney are pushing for.
Of course a cynical man might also suggest that , believe it or not, him now having a new arm -- with therefore new figure(s), artwork -- comics for example -- and so on -- counts as him having a new design, which might well influence where certain %s of the sales are directed.
Abrams' ambitions to create a multi-platform film franchise will find a more natural home at Disney, analysts and industry experts tell TheWrap. As successful as "Star Trek" has been, few franchises match the profitability and cultural prominence of George Lucas' space opera, which would be difficult for any director to pass up. “Disney has always been oriented to multi-platform revenue stream situations,” Seth Willenson, a film library valuations expert, told TheWrap. Moreover, Willenson notes that Abrams, who has a deal that is believed to include creative and profit participation in "Star Wars" inspired merchandise and spin-offs, will have more control in shaping the legacy of the Skywalker clan than he would have had with developing side projects for the "Star Trek" crew. Unlike with "Star Trek," with its rights split between Paramount and CBS, Disney owns the rights to “Star Wars” outright thanks to its $4 billion purchase of Lucasfilm last year.
sidenote : Robinson and Harris wrote/drew "Starman" for DC in the pre new 52 universe.
Which is superb, won loads and loads of awards and is one of the finest comic book series ever done.
And now they're writing stories about how C3PO got a new arm.
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2016/01/02 17:12:27
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Yes I have. And I'll say this, JJ makes a much better star wars film than he does a star trek one. If he shat on star wars lore the same way he did trek the internet would have imploded already.
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2016/01/02 17:21:38
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Yes I have. And I'll say this, JJ makes a much better star wars film than he does a star trek one. If he shat on star wars lore the same way he did trek the internet would have imploded already.
Yes I have. And I'll say this, JJ makes a much better star wars film than he does a star trek one. If he shat on star wars lore the same way he did trek the internet would have imploded already.
He kind of did. The cast and crew succeeded despite Abrams. Also, Star Wars fans are apparently willing to overlook a lot of crap for a few diamonds. I suspect in 3-5 years public perception of TFA will have cooled, and more of the fans will realize just how much JJ screwed the pooch on the new trilogy with this first installment.
Just come back from watching the film.
I havenjt looked at this thread much and only started doing so in the last half hour.
My comments where I think they are needed:
Kylo Ren
Spoiler:
A far better thought through character than some here suggest in my opinion.
Yes he is piss weak but that to me makes him a workable character. Sith so far had presence and power, Ren lacks this. He has the genetics and has inherited the raw ability but not the talent of mental discipline. While he is not a likeable character I think it was a wiser decision to make him as he was, furthermore he makes sense.
Vader's fall to the dark side is a rare event, not many Jedi fall and few powerful ones. We are used to Star Wars force characters being powerful not only in the films but in the expanded universe. Kylo Ren lacks this and thus makes a more plausible villain.
In a nutshell Kylo Ren is not Darth Vader Mk2, he is Darth Emo. He is a Vader wannabe who is only of use to the dark side because of his genetics. He isnt really the top bad guy even in his local area, other First Order leaders go behind his back all the time and I dont thnk they respect him much.
He is scary to the average stormtrooper who doesn't know the force, but he is no Vader and never will be.
He is ultimately a dupe, and a emotionally unbalanced weakling with completely different daddy issue to Luke and handling thme in a way that shows how feeble his actual mental state is bar his raw force ability.
He is weak with a light sabre and the fact that he is only dangerous to consoles, prisoners and people trying to hug him actually makes sense.
This also means he has room for extra malevolence. Vader was powerful and evil, Ren is only evil, so he has to make up for his lack of power with extra malice. Vader slaughtered the jedi younglings and hunted down remaining Jedi in person. I suspect Ren destroyed the Jedi order with a well placed bomb or by murdering people in their beds.
Darth Jong-Un, Baby-Doc Vader or equivalent. I think he will make an excellent villain for the series, weak and snivelling, a spiteful bully who wanted to be Mr Big Bad and fails time and again. As he gets outmatched as the series develops he will either attempt shortcuts to gain raw force power and be unable to control or will remain a deceptively weak minded evil henchman filled with spite and getting progressively nastier and more underhand. I think he will be interesting antagonist and one with very little audience sympathy or awe attached.
The parental reaction tom him in all scenes including his parents reflects this. He is no Vader, he is more a family disappointment.
Light sabre fights.
Spoiler:
Kylo Ren lost a light sabre fight to an untrained force sensitive (Rey) and nearly lost to someone who was just an ordinary dude with combat skills (Fin).
I have some problems with this, light sabre fights use precognition rather than swordmastery. The force tells you where to parry and when and thus allows you to parry any attack if you are sensitive enough. Fin wont have access to this unless he is strong in the force himself and I dot ghink he is from what we see of him.
However as Ren s not a real sith but a kid with sith pretensions
The seperation by a sudden fissure after Rey defeats Ren is a little too conventient and is lazy plot writing IMHO. Didnt like that.
The desert.
Spoiler:
Why the hell didnt Rey park her skimmer closer and drag the net of heavy scrap she was obviously struggling with less far.
It was overly plot convenient that Fin and Rey ended up really close to each other. Fin crashed on a planet, he wasnt aimed in any direction, yet he happened to land on the same patch of desert as the droid he was looking for. It would have been better if he landed elsewhere heard about the droid and relocated to intercept.
The bar in the jungle.
Spoiler:
Bit out of the way. I suppose thats the point but everyone knows its there its full of spies and is the last place Solo would want to go to hide out. He is normally smarter than that.
Could have been better handled as a third act, but could have been a lot worse.
All in all it was a good film. I don't really like JJ Abrams previous work, I think he fethed up Star Trek but did ok by this franchise in my opinion. He took a lot of plot shortcuts which could have been handled with less lazy storyboarding but overall it was not a bad film, definitely had its moments and laid to rest the prequel ghosts.
Visuals were good, but that was to be expected, acting was good also and there were some clever moves with casting and character development. I dont have a problem with any of the characters as portrayed, they make sense including Kylo Ren who most have problems with.
It passes the light sabre to the next generation in an effective and respectful way.
Top moments
Spoiler:
- The scrap escape vehicle revealed (though it should have been better secured, the 'owner' didnt even keep the door shut).
- Stormtroopers about face and patrol in another direction when Kylo Ren has an emo flip out.
- The kindly 'parental' expression in Chewbacca's eyes when he watched Ren pilot the Falcon.
- Fin's epiphany, all of the extended scene.
- Rey finally accepts the responsibility of the light sabre, cue music.
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2016/01/02 19:53:06
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Darth Starscream. A man who's cursed with ambitions that will never be matched by his abilities.
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
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Mercurial wrote:
I admire your aplomb and instate you as Baron of the Seas and Lord Marshall of Privateers.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
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2016/01/02 21:28:13
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
I suspect Ren destroyed the Jedi order with a well placed bomb or by murdering people in their beds.
No, its clear from Rey's force vision that he had help from the Knight's of Ren, who may or may not be force sensitives themselves. Its possible that they're force sensitives with conventional combat training rather than traditional Jedi/Sith training. I imagine force sensitivity would be a massive boon to a normal soldier, even if he's never trained to manifest and use force powers or light sabres. At the very least, the Knights of Ren probably represent the highest Elite force in the First Order.
Though I'm sure it was a surprise attack, a few Jedi were able to mount some sort of defense. Ren stabs a guy wielding a lightsabre in the back.
Its also highly likely that the Jedi he killed weren't very skilled combatants themselves. Luke is essentially self taught, and we have no reason to consider him a good teacher. His own training was bare bones. A couple of months at most, depending on time jumps during and between Episode 5 and 6.
Do we know for sure that Luke is actually the last Jedi alive? Theres at least a handful of Jedi who surived Order 66 in the Canon material, e.g. the Clones Wars and Rebels cartoons. Do we know if they're still around as of ROTJ and TFA?
Essentially, barring a couple of possible survivors from what little of the EU that is still canon, there are no true Jedi left in the galaxy. Luke is considered the Last Jedi, but he was never truly a Jedi himself. There was no Jedi Order to train him. They're having to start almost from scratch.
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The separation by a sudden fissure after Rey defeats Ren is a little too conventient and is lazy plot writing IMHO. Didnt like that.
Not necessarily. When they grappled with the lightsabres, Ren's was jabbed into the ground, melting the ice. Was it just the ice and permafrost that fractured, or the planet itself?
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2016/01/03 01:10:52
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Saw this a third time and have to say, I've come full circle! I think it was a fantastic balance between the old and new movies (or just between the old and necessary modernization). Really loved it
2016/01/03 01:25:24
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
I surprisingly quite like Kylo Ren's lightsabre. The concept was initially bizarre, but the way its portrayed, it makes sense. It seems like it was cobbled together, and the vents are needed because it was poorly made or something. And Ren actually uses the 'crossguard' vents offensively.
2016/01/03 02:55:15
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
Matt.Kingsley wrote: She wasn't dumped though. From the flashback sequence it looked like her parents were kidnapped/taken prisoner/captured while she was on Jakku.
It most definitely looked like she was getting dumped there. Like she was told "oh I'll be back for you sweetie" just to keep her quiet and effectively got sold into slavery.
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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: I surprisingly quite like Kylo Ren's lightsabre. The concept was initially bizarre, but the way its portrayed, it makes sense. It seems like it was cobbled together, and the vents are needed because it was poorly made or something. And Ren actually uses the 'crossguard' vents offensively.
I think the sound effects really make it shine.
2016/01/03 03:15:54
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Matt.Kingsley wrote: She wasn't dumped though. From the flashback sequence it looked like her parents were kidnapped/taken prisoner/captured while she was on Jakku.
It most definitely looked like she was getting dumped there. Like she was told "oh I'll be back for you sweetie" just to keep her quiet and effectively got sold into slavery.
Ah that line changes everything... When I was watching it the cinema I was at had some audio issues at that point and the sound cut out, so I didn't hear that.
Ok she was definitely dumped then!
2016/01/03 03:44:41
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
I don't know what she was told. The person leaving her never says anything that i remember, but that was definitely the vibe that scene was giving off.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Grey Templar wrote: I don't know what she was told. The person leaving her never says anything that i remember, but that was definitely the vibe that scene was giving off.
We never see the person dumping her.
We see a ship flying off. Rey screaming "Come back!" And a gruff voice, probably Unkar Plutt, snapping "Quiet girl!"
That does sound like she was being abandoned.
Unkar Plutt probably raised her as an indentured servant of sorts. Probably her whole trading mechanical favors and salvaged scrap for food, which explains why she's familiar with the Millennium Falcon. She's carried out maintenance and mechanical work on it, but has probably never flown it herself so wasn't aware of it's capabilities. She just knows it breaks down all the time which is why she regards it as "junk".
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2016/01/03 04:10:44
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
So the falcon and Rey are abandoned. I wonder if calrissian stole Hans ship, or his lady this time or both. Can you imagine seeing Lando for the first time, and Rey breaking his face for leaving her?
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
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I admire your aplomb and instate you as Baron of the Seas and Lord Marshall of Privateers.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
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2016/01/03 04:13:22
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
I doubt it was Lando, though it does seem like the sort of thing he'd pull. My best guess is that Rey is Luke's daughter, who he hid away on Jakku. Or possibly he didn't know she existed and her mother dumped her there.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Gitzbitah wrote: So the falcon and Rey are abandoned. I wonder if calrissian stole Hans ship, or his lady this time or both. Can you imagine seeing Lando for the first time, and Rey breaking his face for leaving her?
Lando didn't steal it. Han names the thief, and then Rey names a series of people who stole it in turn.
2016/01/03 05:20:22
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
No, its clear from Rey's force vision that he had help from the Knight's of Ren, who may or may not be force sensitives themselves. Its possible that they're force sensitives with conventional combat training rather than traditional Jedi/Sith training. I imagine force sensitivity would be a massive boon to a normal soldier, even if he's never trained to manifest and use force powers or light sabres. At the very least, the Knights of Ren probably represent the highest Elite force in the First Order.
It is pretty well established that anyone who is unusually good at anything in the Star Wars universe has The Force at their back, even if they don't know it.
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2016/01/03 09:09:37
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
The Force is fate in the Star Wars universe. Everyone "uses" the force unwillingly, but Jedi and, even moreso, Sith are capable of channeling its power into the corporeal realm.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: She wasn't dumped though. From the flashback sequence it looked like her parents were kidnapped/taken prisoner/captured while she was on Jakku.
It most definitely looked like she was getting dumped there. Like she was told "oh I'll be back for you sweetie" just to keep her quiet and effectively got sold into slavery.
I don't think she was a slave, if she was she was able to buy her freedom.
Leia would be unlikely to abandon her, Luke didnt appear to recognise her as family. It could be someone we havent met yet. Or
Spoiler:
Someone female and callous, so Phasma perhaps. I could see Phasma abandoning a daughter as a career move, I could see her getting suddenly and unexpectedly maternal when she captures her. This could get real complicated if she is dispatched to bring in Fin, succeeds and then finds common ground with Fin because she can't execute her own daughter.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
2016/01/03 12:44:43
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
I'll say it again for what is probably a third time: the film, though heavily inspired by all three films of the original trilogy, is not an "unoriginal remake.' I think in your rush to hive-five each other over your imagined cleverness, you failed to realize that there are more options between "100% never-before-seen originality" and a "total unoriginal remake of stuff we've all seen before."
I think most people would agree that The Force Awakens falls squarely between those two extremes.
Getting really fething sick and tired of your snark. We're not "high fiving each other over our imagined cleverness", I'm SO sorry we have the audacity to disagree with you. The movie is absolutely an unoriginal remake, and I would not agree it falls between the two extremes you mentioned. It's firmly the latter.
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It's the refresher the franchise needed. Looking forward to seeing it again next week, I've heard the 3d is half decent so may give that a try.
Oh yeah, that's totally what I was saying. I have asserted my opinion is the only correct one at every instance in this thread. Yep, totally have not been willing to acknowledge that other people can enjoy the film. Spot on.
You did just claim that the film is firmly (and absolutely) an unoriginal remake. At no point was it claimed that you've claimed such in every instance in this thread, however. There's also no claim about you not being willing to acknowledge anything. If you're getting tired of people snarking, you might want to cut down on the strawmen and absolute statements about subjective subjects.
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