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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/12 21:49:25
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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£1.85bn in 60 days... hmmm seems a bit iffy. Would be epic though!
Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/film/lord-of-the-rings/minas-tirit-crowdfund/
IndieGoGo campaign: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/realise-minas-tirith#/story
A group of architects have launch a crowdfunding campaign in the hopes of raising almost £2 billion in order to build a lifesize replica of Lord of the Rings city Minas Tirith in the south of England.
If they manage to raise the sum within the 60 day limit, Tolkien fans will then have the chance to live or work in the creation, whose original version was laid siege to by the full forces of Mordor in The Return of the King.
The campaign's leader, Jonathan Wilson, has estimated building costs of £15 million for land, £188 million for labour and £1.4 billion for materials.
Any money left over after the project is finished after 2023 will be used for "maintenance and public services" until 2053.
"We are an ambitious team of architects and structural engineers who are passionate about creating a beautiful, inspirational and fully-functioning replica of Peter Jackson's depiction of Minas Tirith, as seen in his Lord of the Rings films," Wilson wrote on the campaign's IndieGoGo page.
"We all share a love of Tolkien's work, and a desire to challenge the common perception of community and architecture. We believe that, in realising Minas Tirith, we can create not only the most remarkable tourist attraction on the planet, but also a wonderfully unique place to live and work."
Rewards for those who donate to the campaign range from a follow on Twitter (£3) to being made a Lord or Lady of the city, with use of a horse-drawn carriage to transport their family (£100,000).
However, Minas Tirith's future aristocracy has yet to make their presence felt: after 11 days, the total raised rests at just over £400.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/12 21:51:12
Subject: Re:A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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I saw this last week. The geek in me wants it to happen, but its just way too ambitious.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/12 22:08:52
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Want this to happen, but chances are slim.
Which is a shame really as it would actually be worthwhile.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/12 22:10:35
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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I'd rather crowdfund Sauron. Join the wining team baby.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/12 22:10:41
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Thats bananas. but dammit i want it to happen too.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/12 22:14:07
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Thinking about this, it's technically a stepping stone to having Hive Cities like in 40K lol.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/12 22:15:39
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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Do you still get all the money pledged even if it fails to fund on Indiegogo?
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BlaxicanX wrote:A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/12 22:16:42
Subject: Re:A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Most crowdfunding is all or nothing. If it fails to fund, no money is received or taken from the doners.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/12 22:17:24
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
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Actually it would not only be neat but it could make money.
however the cost is ridiculous 1.4bn materials cost is alot even for the scale of the project, exceeding that of a dam construction.
Minas Tirith needs to be built into the side of a mountain, but England is lacking in 700 foot cliffs to build the city into. The location is all wrong.
Also while materials costs are calculated the dumb way, labour costs are equally dumb the other way. Large construction costs balloon, they always do and the larger the budget the more they balloon by. This has all the hallmarks of th sort of business practices that would affect a major public building project, just with helpless nerds in charge of the purse strings instead of civil servants with clout. Sorry it would niot work.
However contrary to all that the business venture principle is sound. Minas Tirith could be built, for a few hundred million, dug into a mountainside, possibly using a disused open mine as the core site.
Luxury housing could be filled within and recess lifts dug into the hillside to conceal technologies. I would be the ultimate gated community and houses there would sell. Easily recouping the construction cost.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/12 22:19:34
Subject: Re:A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Yeah, it does seem a little high. But then again that is a lot of cement that would be used.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/12 22:55:46
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
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Not as much cement as you might at first think.
As a construction project Minas Tirith is not that exceptional, its a lot of unexceptional parts put together in the right place to make an exceptional whole.
You need a 300ft Tower of Ecthelion, and you need an outer wall. The latter being the last element constructed, after most of the construction is complete.
The major work will be the excavation of 'Mindoluin' which will require a fair amount of explosives. There would be tunneling through the remaining spur, but as tunnels go that work is negligible. A substantial amount of horizontal pinning on the resultant cliffsides would be necessary, to stabilise the excavation. None of this is in any way difficult.
More difficult will be the recessed lifts in Mindoluin. Remember that Minas Tirith is a city on a cliff, wioth no room or want for cars. Its a bitch of a walk to do your shopping eithering winding down a fairly steep slope, or using stairs. Thankfully recessed lifts handle this.
You also might want an underground railways from the first tier of the city to a communal garage site away from the city. A lived in Minas Tirith can use much of the first tier for parking if it wished, though you ought to account for helipads.
Now as for the construction, the palace and tower is the key obstacle, built with some altitude involved, all the materials will have to be transported up 700ft to base level of construction, and the palace would be quite substantial.
The only other sizable work the outer wall can and should be filled with infuil from the excavation and need only concrete enough for secure containment. Many actual walls were constructed this way anyway. While Minas Tirith would have weaker walls than a medieval standard, it still offers excellent security for a gated community and an excuse to construct it. The walls would help as a construction dump as they are built with building detritus being part of the wall infil.
Upper level walls need not be significant, Tolkien never depicted therm as such, and norr would he need to. Historical walls atop cliffs needed only to be a human barrier, and it would be quite normal to include upper walls as part of domestic construction. So upper level walls will simply be somewhat reinforced due to location, and would have no windows in the first two storeys but would otherwise be part of the construction of the string of mansions they represent. Minas Tirith only has one actual street on any level above the first with construction on the cliff edge and cliff base. All of these could and would be luxury dwellings with the cliff base constructions elevated to overlook (anxc concealing the public lift mechanisms.
Best place for this is somewhere suitable for a millionaires playground, which can include Southern England but normally only does so with regards to a traditional set, which this would not represent.
California would be a good place to look for sites for a project like this.
I have no problems believing that a Minas Tuirth build could contain a large number of mansions and condos, and that rich people would buy residence there, probably as second homes. and that the proceeds would exceed construction costs significantly to make a good profit margin.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/13 03:05:11
Subject: Re:A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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[MOD]
Making Stuff
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Grey Templar wrote:Most crowdfunding is all or nothing. If it fails to fund, no money is received or taken from the doners.
Indiegogo actually offers two funding models - Fixed Funding (where nothing is taken from backers unless the goal is met) or Flexible Funding (where payments go through whether or not the goal is reached).
This particular project is the former, though.
Seems unlikely to happen, but is an awesome idea.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/13 03:28:00
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Oddly enough a bunch of Gak-heads between Syria and Iraq have a jump start already on that project of creating Mordor. Slavery? Check. Massacres of the innocent? Check. Vast conquest using fire, industry and a bunch of ugly trolls? Check and Check.
Though luckily for us, a good portion of the world, which can, is destroying what they try to build up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/13 06:20:17
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.
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Well there is a Mordor now. On Pluto.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/13 06:56:00
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Speaking as an Englishman, shouldn't we build Jerusalem first?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/13 07:29:11
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Dwarf Runelord Banging an Anvil
Way on back in the deep caves
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Or Camelot?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/13 07:32:16
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.
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Kilkrazy wrote:Speaking as an Englishman, shouldn't we build Jerusalem first?
In British Israelism we already have. London is the 'New Jerusalem'.
A wierd Victorian doctrine.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/14 05:31:44
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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[MOD]
Making Stuff
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Let's not.
'tis a silly place.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/14 08:15:47
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Well so far, they've managed to raise £48K.. bit of a tiny tiny drop in a big pond
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/14 11:20:05
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
Livingston, United Kingdom
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Southern England does seem a bit, uh, flat for the location. I'd have thought Wales or the Highlands were better shouts. But yeah, 1.85 billion is delightfully bananas. They'd be better doing it as a tourist attraction!
Plus I kind of wonder if you'd even be legally allowed to name it that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/14 11:37:58
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Morphing Obliterator
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Charles Rampant wrote:Southern England does seem a bit, uh, flat for the location. I'd have thought Wales or the Highlands were better shouts. But yeah, 1.85 billion is delightfully bananas. They'd be better doing it as a tourist attraction!
Plus I kind of wonder if you'd even be legally allowed to name it that.
I have no doubt that if a real-life Minas Tirith were built, any existing copyright issues and legal technicalities would miraculously disappear.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/14 11:50:18
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/14 18:17:52
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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Orlanth wrote:
however the cost is ridiculous 1.4bn materials cost is alot even for the scale of the project, exceeding that of a dam construction.
Oahe Dam would cost about 2.7bn USD to build today, and Fort Randall Dam would cost about 1.5bn USD; both are relatively simple earth embankment gravity dams. Hell, even Hoover Dam would cost about 850m USD, and that wouldn't involve any of the architectural flourishes required to make Minas Tirith look like Minas Tirith.
Given that, I'd wager 2.9bn USD is a fairly accurate number, if not on the low end.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/14 18:27:13
Subject: A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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You'd have to build it in Scotland. Then again...I don't think they'd like you building forts in their lands again :/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/14 23:10:31
Subject: Re:A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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If the entrance to Middle Earth is there then they will build it and they will come.........
isn't there like a group of people who actually believe there is a Middle Earth?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/15 00:31:09
Subject: Re:A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
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Jihadin wrote:
isn't there like a group of people who actually believe there is a Middle Earth?
It is suppose to be Earth pre-history.
So Middle Earth is gone, Valinor still remains though, so long as you can build a ship capable of taking the straight path rather than the curved. The Valar would not appreciate the intrusion though. Automatically Appended Next Post: dogma wrote: Orlanth wrote:
however the cost is ridiculous 1.4bn materials cost is alot even for the scale of the project, exceeding that of a dam construction.
Oahe Dam would cost about 2.7bn USD to build today, and Fort Randall Dam would cost about 1.5bn USD; both are relatively simple earth embankment gravity dams. Hell, even Hoover Dam would cost about 850m USD, and that wouldn't involve any of the architectural flourishes required to make Minas Tirith look like Minas Tirith.
Given that, I'd wager 2.9bn USD is a fairly accurate number, if not on the low end.
Minas Tirith doesn't require a lot of concrete though, if built according to Tolkiens descriptions, It is mostly an excavation and house building. The city from the films had masonry walls for the upper levels, Tolkien specified that the outer walls were the tallest and the upper walls were modest over cliffsides.
The highest material cost will be basalt lining for the outer wall, the best equivalent of the hard black stone used to make the outer wall. Though the original black stone was tougher than that, the same material used to make Orthanc.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/15 01:51:42
Subject: Re:A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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Orlanth wrote:
Minas Tirith doesn't require a lot of concrete though, if built according to Tolkiens descriptions, It is mostly an excavation and house building. The city from the films had masonry walls for the upper levels, Tolkien specified that the outer walls were the tallest and the upper walls were modest over cliffsides.
The highest material cost will be basalt lining for the outer wall, the best equivalent of the hard black stone used to make the outer wall. Though the original black stone was tougher than that, the same material used to make Orthanc.
Constructing a city on the scale of Minas Tirith, even according to Tolkien's relatively modest description, would still involve a lot of concrete if for no other reason than securing the foundations of the various structures to be built on each level. Further, I have a hard time believing that the upper walls were meant to be modest in any sense beyond that of comparison to the First Circle, and were fairly clearly described as an integral part of Minas Tirith's defensive architecture; meaning a good deal of concrete would end up there too. But really concrete isn't the issue as its quite cheap. The issue is all the masonry work that would need to be done in order to make the walls, and structures within them, look the part of Minas Tirith.
Speaking more practically, since the Minas Tirith most people are familiar with is the one from the films that is the Minas Tirith you have to emulate if you want to secure the kind of money required to build the place.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/25 07:38:35
Subject: Re:A £1.85bn crowdfunding campaign to build Minas Tirith in England..
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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This is currently at £82,600.00 Not bad, but I think this project really isn't going to make it to £1.85bn in the next 36 days.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/25 08:03:29
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Xenomancers wrote:You'd have to build it in Scotland. Then again...I don't think they'd like you building forts in their lands again :/
Or Wales, or the Lake District (England).
I do wonder how likely they are to get planning permission for this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/25 08:17:57
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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ColonelFazackerley wrote: Xenomancers wrote:You'd have to build it in Scotland. Then again...I don't think they'd like you building forts in their lands again :/
Or Wales, or the Lake District (England).
I do wonder how likely they are to get planning permission for this.
For something of this size, probably a good while. They'd have to do all sorts of public consultations and surveys. They're building a city that goes pretty high up...
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