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In short, they are R45 S6 Ap5 Heavy 4 with a special rule giving any unit suffering unsaved wounds a similar amount of additional wounds with te same statline.

For example, a unit of orcs get hit with 3 hits, rolls 2+ to wound and lo! 3 wounds. The orcs has 5+ save and no cover and thus suffer all three wounds, the Deflagrate rule kicks in and gives the orc unit another 3 wounds.
Again, the orcs have no useful armor or invunerable save and suffer an additional 3 wounds.
This concludes the shooting and 6 orc boyz are removed as casualties.

 Yaraton wrote:

 Talys wrote:

OTOH, previously, it was a little hit and miss; sometimes, customs waived it through; other times, you got charged for the tax AND brokerage fees, and the latter could really suck.

I never had that, only once in a blue moon when my order was over a certain amount I had to pay customs fees but since the delivery was done by the Canada Post I didn't have any "brokerage fees" usually associated with UPS or FedEx.

I bought enough once, together with two friends, to get free express shipping (it was an obscene amount). We got hit with a customs and tax bill from UPS that blew our minds away.

I think you only get the brokerage charge if you do express shipping, because UPS charges it (I *think* it was UPS. I'm not 100% sure). I don't think Canada Post charges it, but I could be wrong. Anyways, we have never ordered it with express shipping since, hahaha.

I'm glad I live in the same country GW/FW does!

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
So if FW are still doing Contemptor parts, does that mean we won't be seeing a plasic GW one? Or will they be options, like the current dreadnoughts?

(I know, pure speculation....)

Or more likely, they are putting out some new weapons since some of the older, more common ones will be phased out when GW brings out a plastic version.

Well I'm pretty sure Contemptors have had the option for Volkites since the red books came out, they just haven't got round to releasing them til now.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
So if FW are still doing Contemptor parts, does that mean we won't be seeing a plasic GW one? Or will they be options, like the current dreadnoughts?

(I know, pure speculation....)

Or more likely, they are putting out some new weapons since some of the older, more common ones will be phased out when GW brings out a plastic version.

Well I'm pretty sure Contemptors have had the option for Volkites since the red books came out, they just haven't got round to releasing them til now.

This. These Volkites have been an option for Contemptors since FW's HH Book 1. They're just now getting around to them.

Speaking of getting around to them, Where is DORN?!?!

The standard contemptor has the option (in the Red Book) for a SINGLE Volkite Culverin, a standard dreadnought can exchange both their arms for Single Volkite culverins, none has the option for twinlinked ones.
Probably, this will change in an upcomming revision of the Red Book, or, it will be an attendum to the wargear of the Mortis Contemptor / Mortis Dreadnought who currently doesn't have an option for Volkite Culverins of any kind.

 STC_LogisEngine wrote:

The standard contemptor has the option (in the Red Book) for a SINGLE Volkite Culverin, a standard dreadnought can exchange both their arms for Single Volkite culverins, none has the option for twinlinked ones.
Probably, this will change in an upcomming revision of the Red Book, or, it will be an attendum to the wargear of the Mortis Contemptor / Mortis Dreadnought who currently doesn't have an option for Volkite Culverins of any kind.

I don't have my book with me, but I thought the Contemptor mortis could take two Volkite Culverin's, but perhaps not the twin-linked option.

But, if you have the book, I'll not argue as I probably remember it wrong!

 kronk wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
So if FW are still doing Contemptor parts, does that mean we won't be seeing a plasic GW one? Or will they be options, like the current dreadnoughts?

(I know, pure speculation....)

Or more likely, they are putting out some new weapons since some of the older, more common ones will be phased out when GW brings out a plastic version.

Well I'm pretty sure Contemptors have had the option for Volkites since the red books came out, they just haven't got round to releasing them til now.

This. These Volkites have been an option for Contemptors since FW's HH Book 1. They're just now getting around to them.

Speaking of getting around to them, Where is DORN?!?!

I'll be happy with Dorn or Corax

 Talys wrote:

 Yaraton wrote:

 Talys wrote:

OTOH, previously, it was a little hit and miss; sometimes, customs waived it through; other times, you got charged for the tax AND brokerage fees, and the latter could really suck.

I never had that, only once in a blue moon when my order was over a certain amount I had to pay customs fees but since the delivery was done by the Canada Post I didn't have any "brokerage fees" usually associated with UPS or FedEx.

I bought enough once, together with two friends, to get free express shipping (it was an obscene amount). We got hit with a customs and tax bill from UPS that blew our minds away.

I think you only get the brokerage charge if you do express shipping, because UPS charges it (I *think* it was UPS. I'm not 100% sure). I don't think Canada Post charges it, but I could be wrong. Anyways, we have never ordered it with express shipping since, hahaha.

Nope. UPS (Bunch of thieves) charged me brokerage on my individual purchases of IA 4 and IA 13. You can self clear your purchases to avoid their extortion but you have to contact FW in advance to get the info to stop UPS from doing you the "favor" of charging you to do so. It's a pain and it's always a consideration when I'm planning a purchase.

 kronk wrote:

 STC_LogisEngine wrote:

The standard contemptor has the option (in the Red Book) for a SINGLE Volkite Culverin, a standard dreadnought can exchange both their arms for Single Volkite culverins, none has the option for twinlinked ones.
Probably, this will change in an upcomming revision of the Red Book, or, it will be an attendum to the wargear of the Mortis Contemptor / Mortis Dreadnought who currently doesn't have an option for Volkite Culverins of any kind.

I don't have my book with me, but I thought the Contemptor mortis could take two Volkite Culverin's, but perhaps not the twin-linked option.

But, if you have the book, I'll not argue as I probably remember it wrong!

Not yet, I'm hoping it'll get shred on top of twin linking, then it'll be a worth while option with the keres having niether of those.

Not likely, shred would be odd on volkites since no other type has that USR, also, a bit over the top when concidering the relative power of the other weapon options.
TWL and Deflagrate with S6 is well enough to handle anything from regular infantry to mechanicum battle-automata, though it struggles a bit against the Thantar's T8, that sucker needs a smattering of lascannons to bring down.

 kronk wrote:
Speaking of getting around to them, Where is DORN?!?!

Ah-HA! Now its the Iron Warriors time to shine, you yellow-loving... wait... still no unique units? Damn it Perturabo, this is why no one likes you.

But yea, I'm always ready for another Primarch, just pray Dorn isn't based on the ruins of a full titan

Please, dorn will be standing on the peak battlement of Eternity Gate on terra, the base will be 2 meters tall and feature a movable main gate 1,5 meters tall and 80cm wide.
Nothing Less for the Emperor's favoured son.

 Eldarain wrote:

Nope. UPS (Bunch of thieves) charged me brokerage on my individual purchases of IA 4 and IA 13. You can self clear your purchases to avoid their extortion but you have to contact FW in advance to get the info to stop UPS from doing you the "favor" of charging you to do so. It's a pain and it's always a consideration when I'm planning a purchase.

Yes, this is what I've been told by my friend who buys a reasonable amount of FW; he has always avoided it in the past. Is that still the case, now? Like, if you place a GBP250 order, get free express shipping, do you get charged brokerage?

I was browsing HH walkers catalog on the FW website and saw that:



Maybe something, maybe nothing.

 Talys wrote:


Yes, this is what I've been told by my friend who buys a reasonable amount of FW; he has always avoided it in the past. Is that still the case, now? Like, if you place a GBP250 order, get free express shipping, do you get charged brokerage?

Yep.
Express shipping = UPS = customs feesx2
Normal shipping = Canada Post = normal customs fees.

Sorry everyone for the "Canadian offtopic".

 Jpogfreak886 wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Speaking of getting around to them, Where is DORN?!?!

Ah-HA! Now its the Iron Warriors time to shine, you yellow-loving... wait... still no unique units? Damn it Perturabo, this is why no one likes you.

But yea, I'm always ready for another Primarch, just pray Dorn isn't based on the ruins of a full titan

Don't the Iron Warriors have that huge fething land crawler... thing?

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Jpogfreak886 wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Speaking of getting around to them, Where is DORN?!?!

Ah-HA! Now its the Iron Warriors time to shine, you yellow-loving... wait... still no unique units? Damn it Perturabo, this is why no one likes you.

But yea, I'm always ready for another Primarch, just pray Dorn isn't based on the ruins of a full titan

Don't the Iron Warriors have that huge fething land crawler... thing?

No that's for everyone. I assume you mean the Mastadon? Iirc Perturabo designed it but it's not IW specific. Plus it's not out anyway so even if it was specific to them, they still don't have any unique units out

 Yaraton wrote:
I was browsing HH walkers catalog on the FW website and saw that:



Maybe something, maybe nothing.

It's sold out.
Simple as?

 Eiríkr wrote:


It's sold out.
Simple as?

The usual is "Out of stock" and not "No longer available".

 Yaraton wrote:

 Eiríkr wrote:


It's sold out.
Simple as?

The usual is "Out of stock" and not "No longer available".

Although this is based on the GW webdesign, and similar things have happened previously (Realmgates, anyone?).

The website has changed since as well, I doubt they will be stopping any of the legion specific FW stuff, it compliments it too well, but you never know with GW I must admit.

I think GW has found that marking things "sold out" creates interest in a product. "Sold out" and even "limited edition" are very loose phrases for this company. Plus, the argument that FW will discontinue Legion-specific contemptors stretches credulity too far.

 Yaraton wrote:
Sorry everyone for the "Canadian offtopic".

LOL soooo Canadian.

 Yaraton wrote:

Yep.
Express shipping = UPS = customs feesx2
Normal shipping = Canada Post = normal customs fees.

Sorry everyone for the "Canadian offtopic".

GAH. Thanks, man.

We will continue to purchase non-express-shipping orders here, then I think that this is the dumbest thing ever, especially at the rates UPS charges (they make GW seem reasonable!). At least if you're buying $500+ of resin, FW could chip in the brokerage LOL.

@Manchu - waves a Canadian "sorry" too!

It might be that the Sons of Horus Legion Contemptor is going to get redone. It was one of the first Legion Contemptors(if not the first) and has been on their "best-sellers" list quite often.

 Dinamarth wrote:

 kronk wrote:


This. These Volkites have been an option for Contemptors since FW's HH Book 1. They're just now getting around to them.

Speaking of getting around to them, Where is DORN?!?!

I'll be happy with Dorn or Corax

Past signs pointed to Corax being next up, but either of those two deserve to be done soon.

Although it has occurred to me that Daemon Prince Angron would make a better release alongside the next book, since it'll probably be about the Shadow Crusade and include his ascension. Selfish WE @#$% that I am, I'd be fine with that.

Still, the cries of anguish that would erupt if Angron got TWO models before others got one might force me to rethink that, and that probably factors into FW's thinking also.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It might be that the Sons of Horus Legion Contemptor is going to get redone.

Sounds good to me, it was a bit generic by the standards of later releases.

The SoH Contemptor is one of the earlier ones that wasn't generic. The World Eaters and Death Guard ones are much more so (the DG one fittingly so). The SoH one is one of my favourites, and the only one I actually own so far.

According to Atia, the SoH Contemptor is the first one "to be re-packaged into a clampack", whatever that supposed to mean.

Clampacks are generally for selling things on racks rather than by mail. Interesting.

Edit: Spoke too soon. Did some more research and it looks like yes, it is indeed being repackaged in a clampack. Heard from multiple people who've talked to Forge World directly.