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timd wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

timd wrote:
Stormbird's vertical fins are supported only by the upper engines? Seems like a bit of a structural fail...

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And a maintenance nightmare.

Pssst... the wings are also supported only by the engines. That's a bigger problem than the upper fins, I'm afraid.

Ack! You're right. The fail is not usually so strong with Forge World.

Much easier to design as opposed to their typical design of engine on top of, or under the wings?

T

I'm not actually overly fussed by that detail, probably a result of seeing some heavy fighter aircraft whose wings are held on by just six bolts apiece, with most of the weight held by just three.

Thamor wrote:
I'm at home with book 6 now if anyone has any questions about the event or the book.

Can you tell us any more about the "whole army of tanks" rite of war? It was posted earlier that you get Predator squadrons as troops and Sicarans as elites, but do you get anything else? Special rules, HQ tanks, warlord traits, etc?

 Peregrine wrote:

Thamor wrote:
I'm at home with book 6 now if anyone has any questions about the event or the book.

Can you tell us any more about the "whole army of tanks" rite of war? It was posted earlier that you get Predator squadrons as troops and Sicarans as elites, but do you get anything else? Special rules, HQ tanks, warlord traits, etc?

That would be amazing. Damocles Command Rhino with Predators, Sicarans, Artillery...

Some seriously good stuff there... The "loyalist plague drone" I particularly like...

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
This is what Dakka looks like when people don't put massive images in spoilers for those of us on mobile platforms. Just sayin.

Then don't browse mobile?

But what else will I do while I drive? I need my Dakka fix!

And yeah, I second the spoilering of images-it sometimes takes awhile for the website to resize it.

Heretic! Lego's research has shown that most of Dakka's mobile traffic comes from the bathroom.

 Peregrine wrote:

Thamor wrote:
I'm at home with book 6 now if anyone has any questions about the event or the book.

Can you tell us any more about the "whole army of tanks" rite of war? It was posted earlier that you get Predator squadrons as troops and Sicarans as elites, but do you get anything else? Special rules, HQ tanks, warlord traits, etc?

Only basic predators with the assault cannon and sponons must be taken as compulsory troops, Sicarans are elites. One of your Sicarans or Predators can become the Warlord and gets +1BS for free. All vehicles thats have 3 HP or less get fast.

All infantry need a dedicated transport, with tank or super heavy special type.

Can't have more flyers or skimmers(in total) than Tanks

No Immobile units.

And thats it really.

Thamor wrote:
Only basic predators with the assault cannon and sponons must be taken as compulsory troops, Sicarans are elites. One of your Sicarans or Predators can become the Warlord and gets +1BS for free. All vehicles thats have 3 HP or less get fast.

By "assault cannon" do you mean actual assault cannons (which aren't a normal option in the army list before this book) or the autocannon? Or just the Predator with normal turret options?

And does the warlord tank get a different warlord trait/table? Some of the standard ones wouldn't make any sense for a tank in a tank army.

Maybe it's like the Solar Auxilia tank commander and you just get a boost in BS and a USR from a list, no warlord trait.

 spudkins wrote:

Looking at the preview image for the video, the Stormbird has gaps in the backs of its "wings". Could this at last be an attempt to explain the lack of aerodynamics with advanced technology, as so many fan theories - including mine - have in the past?

 Zuul wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 Zuul wrote:

Thamor wrote:
I'm at home with book 6 now if anyone has any questions about the event or the book.

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet but I was speaking to Andy Hoare and Alan Bligh on the Saturday about how expensive the Assault Marines are (Blood Angel player), they told me that the Legion Army list will be getting redone and that the Assault marines will be getting a massive points reduction. A few other units will be getting some changes as well.

Has there been any updates to Death Guard in book 6?

Any new consuls?

I really hope Durak Rask can unlock phosphex like a siege breaker in the new edition. He was the legion's marshal of ordinance for crying out loud!

Sadly not in book 6 unless it's hidden n code..but, Morty lost unwieldy and our power scythes don't suck anymore against anything above tac marines

Wait, non-unwieldy power scythes!!?? O_O I know what my new favourite toy might be.

If you haven't seen it yet the new DG, and the ofthe as well, are floating all around the Internet, some as pics and some as text. I expect to see more today later after attendees had. A chance to get home and rested..

Azreal13 wrote:This is what Dakka looks like when people don't put massive images in spoilers for those of us on mobile platforms. Just sayin.

I've thumbnailed and spolierised the post just for you.

Peregrine wrote:

Thamor wrote:
Only basic predators with the assault cannon and sponons must be taken as compulsory troops, Sicarans are elites. One of your Sicarans or Predators can become the Warlord and gets +1BS for free. All vehicles thats have 3 HP or less get fast.

By "assault cannon" do you mean actual assault cannons (which aren't a normal option in the army list before this book) or the autocannon? Or just the Predator with normal turret options?

And does the warlord tank get a different warlord trait/table? Some of the standard ones wouldn't make any sense for a tank in a tank army.

Sorry, my fault. I had just woken up. It's the Autocannon.

The extra BS is the Warlord trait

BrookM wrote:Maybe it's like the Solar Auxilia tank commander and you just get a boost in BS and a USR from a list, no warlord trait.

Correct

Thamor wrote:
Sorry, my fault. I had just woken up. It's the Autocannon.

Hm. Being limited to the barely-useful-in-30k autocannon is kind of disappointing when the other turrets are so much better, but I guess 110 points for an AV 13 scoring unit with the AC and 3x HBs is not terrible. And now that it's a fast vehicle you can move 6" and shoot all of those guns.

The Domitar and non nurgle plague drone are both lovely models.

The news that epic is being re-scaled sounds like an own goal, surely all that will do is piss off and alienate the current / old player base. I could understand them redoing parts, such as flyers / titans as some things were of scale with each other, but now really nervous they will make everything 15mm or something and totally invalidate all old models.

I’m an Epic player (in fact we played NetEpic at my club last Thursday) and while there is an element of sadness that the new game will probably be 10mm in scale, I recognise it needs to be from GW’s perspective, otherwise no-one will buy any of the new range of figures. Epic Armageddon figures sales were terrible due to the fact everyone already had perfectly working armies.

If the rules are half-playable, I’ll almost certainly invest in a new army. The previous FW 6mm Epic stuff was gorgeous, so I've some high hopes if they do a 10mm version.

Just love the new iron circle, they are the first legion dedicated unit that has actually made me want to start a new army just to be able to play them.

Not sure if its just time but I really rather like the Stormbird now. My Thunderhawk doesn't get much use as its a pain on the table so the Stormbird would get even less but I really like it.

Complete disappointment about the timescales for the chaos Warlord, 2 years before they start working on it is too long for me to wait. I'm going to push the button on the order at the end of the month if I can get the new head and claw. Grinding off the imperial eagles, some chains, some tusks and get it painted to match my other Titans, should sort it.

 Looky Likey wrote:
Just love the new iron circle, they are the first legion dedicated unit that has actually made me want to start a new army just to be able to play them.

Not sure if its just time but I really rather like the Stormbird now. My Thunderhawk doesn't get much use as its a pain on the table so the Stormbird would get even less but I really like it.

Complete disappointment about the timescales for the chaos Warlord, 2 years before they start working on it is too long for me to wait. I'm going to push the button on the order at the end of the month if I can get the new head and claw. Grinding off the imperial eagles, some chains, some tusks and get it painted to match my other Titans, should sort it.

I don't think it will be 2 years before they start working on it, but 2 years before it shows up. Especially with CAD, the core of the Warlord is done. most the changes will be in replacing all the armor plates and some added chaotic detail work. Maybe a tail. And then a chaotic set of weapons. And FW only has so many resources for the big superheavy kits, and the Stormbird is the next "kingpiece" kit coming out.

 Peregrine wrote:

Thamor wrote:
Sorry, my fault. I had just woken up. It's the Autocannon.

Hm. Being limited to the barely-useful-in-30k autocannon is kind of disappointing when the other turrets are so much better, but I guess 110 points for an AV 13 scoring unit with the AC and 3x HBs is not terrible. And now that it's a fast vehicle you can move 6" and shoot all of those guns.

Don't forget that the Predator's autocannon fires four shots, not two.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
Just love the new iron circle, they are the first legion dedicated unit that has actually made me want to start a new army just to be able to play them.

Not sure if its just time but I really rather like the Stormbird now. My Thunderhawk doesn't get much use as its a pain on the table so the Stormbird would get even less but I really like it.

Complete disappointment about the timescales for the chaos Warlord, 2 years before they start working on it is too long for me to wait. I'm going to push the button on the order at the end of the month if I can get the new head and claw. Grinding off the imperial eagles, some chains, some tusks and get it painted to match my other Titans, should sort it.

I don't think it will be 2 years before they start working on it, but 2 years before it shows up. Especially with CAD, the core of the Warlord is done. most the changes will be in replacing all the armor plates and some added chaotic detail work. Maybe a tail. And then a chaotic set of weapons. And FW only has so many resources for the big superheavy kits, and the Stormbird is the next "kingpiece" kit coming out.

I would guess that the Stormbird is just about finished if they are showing off a painted version, they normally only paint the first production copies, at least how that was with the Warlord.

If they give it a tail then it'll be a Banelord? They've been talking up Banelords in some of the recent HH books. I don't really want the Banelord, I don't like the concept of a tail on something that size.

It'll be a lot of work to do it to the same standard as the Chaos Reaver or Warhounds, its a lot more than a simple reskin, especially when you include all the weapon options. I'm done waiting, I've Eldar Phantoms to kill!

Someone linked the Shattered Legion rules in another thread, and holy gak. They get to have all of the positives and their only begative is scoring problems. Halp.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

Don't forget that the Predator's autocannon fires four shots, not two.

Even with the 4 shots, autocannons just aren't that useful in 30k due to the rarity of light vehicles and 4+ saves. They are just too middle of the road: you either want something to deal with lots of 3+/2+ saves like plasma or volkite, or something that can reliably blow up a land raider like lascannnons. Not bad against Solar Auxilia and militia, though.

 Koppo wrote:

Azreal13 wrote:This is what Dakka looks like when people don't put massive images in spoilers for those of us on mobile platforms. Just sayin.

I've thumbnailed and spolierised the post just for you.

I don't like it when people spoilerise leaked pictures because when I don't want to read EVERY fething post in a news forum I have a tendency to skip over the ones with actual pictures in them if they aren't obvious

30k is more about spamming attacks instead of focusing on ignoring armour.

 BrookM wrote:
30k is more about spamming attacks instead of focusing on ignoring armour.

But even then, 4 str7 ap4 shots will barely dent a 20 man tac squad and can't scratch a land raider.

That said they do work well on heavy support squads where they can be rather cheaply spammed.

nudibranch wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
30k is more about spamming attacks instead of focusing on ignoring armour.

But even then, 4 str7 ap4 shots will barely dent a 20 man tac squad and can't scratch a land raider.

That said they do work well on heavy support squads where they can be rather cheaply spammed.

They do however make excellent Vorax killers (much to my chagrin)


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Koppo wrote:

Azreal13 wrote:This is what Dakka looks like when people don't put massive images in spoilers for those of us on mobile platforms. Just sayin.

I've thumbnailed and spolierised the post just for you.

I don't like it when people spoilerise leaked pictures because when I don't want to read EVERY fething post in a news forum I have a tendency to skip over the ones with actual pictures in them if they aren't obvious

Hence the thumbnails as I do exactly the same thing (Scroll, scroll, scroll, Picture!, scroll, scroll...)

 torgoch wrote:
I’m an Epic player (in fact we played NetEpic at my club last Thursday) and while there is an element of sadness that the new game will probably be 10mm in scale, I recognise it needs to be from GW’s perspective, otherwise no-one will buy any of the new range of figures. Epic Armageddon figures sales were terrible due to the fact everyone already had perfectly working armies.

If the rules are half-playable, I’ll almost certainly invest in a new army. The previous FW 6mm Epic stuff was gorgeous, so I've some high hopes if they do a 10mm version.

And it also remains to be seen whether you'll actually need 10mm minis and/or some kind of unique basing in order to play. It may be that two 6mm armies can play under the new rules just fine.


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 Koppo wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
30k is more about spamming attacks instead of focusing on ignoring armour.

But even then, 4 str7 ap4 shots will barely dent a 20 man tac squad and can't scratch a land raider.

That said they do work well on heavy support squads where they can be rather cheaply spammed.

They do however make excellent Vorax killers (much to my chagrin)

Yeah.

Arlatax look like they'll be pretty good though, if choppy robots is your thing.

I use to think epic was awesome, but the reason I never played it was because of the scale. I paint all my armies, and to a decent standard, but 6mm was too small for my skill level. If they up it to 10mm that would possibly be better for me and I'll get into the game.

I wonder if they will take the opportunity to sort the scaling issues out? Properly proportioned rhinos to marine size, properly scaled marines to guardsmen etc.

So I know they showed a new Thousand Sons shoulder pad, and the Thousand Sons contemptor(I need it).

So yesterday they previewed (I think) the Inferno book.

Did the Thousand Sons get any RoW or any rules?

 Swampmist wrote:
Someone linked the Shattered Legion rules in another thread, and holy gak. They get to have all of the positives and their only begative is scoring problems. Halp.

I dunno. I think having nothing in your army counting as a denial unit is a pretty big deal.

 torgoch wrote:
I’m an Epic player (in fact we played NetEpic at my club last Thursday) and while there is an element of sadness that the new game will probably be 10mm in scale, I recognise it needs to be from GW’s perspective, otherwise no-one will buy any of the new range of figures. Epic Armageddon figures sales were terrible due to the fact everyone already had perfectly working armies.

If the rules are half-playable, I’ll almost certainly invest in a new army. The previous FW 6mm Epic stuff was gorgeous, so I've some high hopes if they do a 10mm version.

Here's the issue though; that was more than a decade ago. Lots of those folk who had perfectly working armies have moved on from the hobby by now, or split those armies up and sold them to a few dozen other people as small lots on ebay, so there's really very little reason to assume the same issue would arise again.

Meanwhile, as someone who mostly missed out on Epic the first time around, I am far, far less enthusiastic about a 10mm+ version because a bigger scale defeats the purpose; mass warfare. Even just fixing the relative scales of models within the 6mm framework would have seen a lot of the superheavies and Titans get significantly bigger, pushing the whole game up at least one size will destroy much of the appeal of the system, ie the gameplay. 6mm allows you to collect a huge army, one that looks impressive on the table and allows you to properly represent the spectacle of the setting, while still allowing enough space on a standard 6x4 or 8x4 gaming table that tactics and unit maneuver have some real meaning. Epic was a system that let you win by your wits rather than with a calculator and an army list, if you bump up the scale then you leave players with only two choices; 1. collect a numerically smaller army, thus losing the sense of spectacle, you make Epic less epic; or 2. cram the same numbers of models that are all individually bigger into the same table space and end up with a situation like modern Apocalypse which pretty much just involves lining up and shooting until one side or the other is dead.

The latter option might be fun as an occasional "get your mates 'round, get hammered, and push your oversized 40K collections around for a few hours" affair, but it's not what I want from an Epic reboot that I had hoped would become a staple game. I suppose the former has some utility if you want to play 40K at a sensible scale, but that's what it would be; a large 40K game with a more sensible ratio of models to table space. It wouldn't be Epic.

We'll have to see, perhaps we'll get a self-contained boxed game that's worthwhile independent of anything else, or they'll manage to make mini-40K-not-Epic fun enough it's worth playing(which will probably be a death sentence for it, since unlike GW's paranoia that the old SGs were eating in to 40K sales that sort of game definitely would). It's just a shame, I'd actually allowed the rumoured semi-autonomous nature of the new division and the involvement of FW people to override my normal callus of cynicism, but putting short-termist greed(or even, if anyone actually buys that excuse, infantry model detail in a system that's supposed to represent war on a scale that individuals are irrelevant) ahead of the gameplay doesn't just make nu-Epic less appealing, it makes me less enthused about the whole nu-SG enterprise.