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**zedmeister**

Minor news, but the Badab War books have now sold out. A 2nd Edition will probably make an appearance at some point in the unknown future

**Ankhalagon**

timd wrote:
Ashiraya wrote:
I don't see why not. It seems ridiculous, sure, but back in the day we thought a 28mm scale Warlord was too.

Some of us didn't...

cuda1179 wrote:
I know they made the Warlord a much simpler model that the Reaver or Warhound (no interior). They said this was for cost reasons.....but could it simply be to cut weight?

I know that back in the day Armorcast made a Warlord titan (very limited number made, I've been looking for one as the final 40k model made by Armorcast I don't own, yes I own a Knight Paladin, and use it).

Actually Armorcast never produced a Warlord titan. Mike had built and cast some of the parts, but GW changed the Warlord design and would not allow us to produce the original beetleback design, so it never went into production.

They were also working on an Imperator and had plans to cast it before they lost their license. If Armorcast could do it 20 years ago FW should be able to do it today.

Mike had started building an Emperor, but it was unlikely that it ever would have been produced even if GW had renewed the license. The kit was completed and sold on ebay.

Tim

Interresting stuff!

**Imateria**

zedmeister wrote:
Minor news, but the Badab War books have now sold out. A 2nd Edition will probably make an appearance at some point in the unknown future

That joins the Anphelion Project then. The list of available Imperial Armour books is getting smaller.

**prowla**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
Sammoth wrote:
I don't think that is scale esp for the Emperor Titan. The Stature of Liberty is a lot smaller than people think. Titans Esp. Emperor Titans are supposed to be moving cities.

yeah the scale is really off for the Imperator Titan, the leg bastions where suppose to each hold a company of 50 tech guards..... even the scale of the FW warlord seems off, the warhound and reaver seem about right, but the Warlord is way small ( I can see why due to casting and molding limitations, actually being able to fit it on the game board and well price ofc...).

A in scale Warlord would be HUGE on a 40k table, way to big to be practical, then again GW/FW isn't known for keeing stuff in scale anyways ( rule of cool and all that jazz)

My main disappointment with the Warlord model is that the head is slightly too small- if it was about 1 inch larger in each dimension it would fit the epic model a bit better, and probably have room for the full crew of 5 inside, rather than just 3. The rest of the scale seems pretty close to correct compared to the other titans.

Going from the old Codex Titanicus numbers, Battle titans are 10 to 25 meters tall, with Emperors from 25 to 40. Those numbers are a bit on the short side, but still work pretty well if you count them as measuring to the shoulder, not the highest point. Dies Irae, the Emperor, is noted as 43 meters tall, which if it included the cathedral would make its body shorter than the warlord, so 43 meters to the shoulder, and another 15-20 meters of cathedral, works pretty well for an Emperor. Going by roughly those numbers, a 28mm Emperor would be somewhere like 30" to the level of the platform on the back, with another 10-15" for the upper works. And those upper works are big. In scale, it's basically like putting a realm of battle tile on the top of the titan, then adding a couple Imperial bastions and a fortress of redemption up there.

The legs holding 50 troops, that would work out OK actually. The Bastion model is supposed to hold 20 troops, and the Imperator shin bastion is pretty comparable to scaling a bastion up by 50-60% in every direction. Say 4 levels in the front with 10 men in each, and then there is a small single level section in the back that would fit the remaining 10 men. Put a pair of mauler bolt cannons at the bottom of the foot to guard the doors, then it has a battle cannon at the top of the shin as well.

Personally I like to consider the measurements in the old material as a 'witness / propaganda estimate' - just a rule of thumb based on the impression of the size and features. More detailed specs of height, how many troops it holds etc. would be established when making a proper model of the interior space needed for each part. So I don't have any problem if a titan loses a few meters in height, if it fits the general description. It's still going to be plenty huge!

I think the current generation of scifi tends to aim more towards sci-realism, anyway. 80's material was bit more about stuff made out of unobtanium and making walkers size of a skyscraper, just because. Now people prefer things that are somewhat more realistic, or at least things that are bit easier to imagine how they actually work - for example, titans powered by small nuclear reactors instead of technomagic energy. Or maybe that's just me, but then again, that flavour of gritty dystopian realism is what I've always liked in 40k.

**Vector Strike**

One guy from ATT managed to get one 'specimen' of the new Barracuda. No rules yet, but he has names for the weapons:
- Main Weapon
HBC
Swiftstrike Railgun (closer in size to the HRR)
Barracuda Ion Cannon
-Wing Weapon
Long-barreled Burst Cannon
Long-barreled Cyclic Ion Blaster

TL MPs remain, as also the 4 Seeker Missiles. The curious drone-y thing at the back is a Decoy Drone - I'd guess it's some kind of defense system.

More info: http://www.advancedtautactica.com/viewtopic.php?p=310901#p310901

**ImAGeek**

Imateria wrote:
zedmeister wrote:
Minor news, but the Badab War books have now sold out. A 2nd Edition will probably make an appearance at some point in the unknown future

That joins the Anphelion Project then. The list of available Imperial Armour books is getting smaller.

The Anphelion Project has only just been redone, so I'm not sure why that's not available. It must just be sold out.

**zedmeister**

Awaiting for the next batch of prints I hope. It hasn't been long out, little over a year maybe and has been out of print for a few months now? Shame if they do take it out of production...

**commander dante**

So the Red Scorpions are Space Nazis
Am i the only one to notice this about the Culln Leviathan Dreadnought?

**shade1313**

commander dante wrote:
So the Red Scorpions are Space Nazis
Am i the only one to notice this about the Culln Leviathan Dreadnought?

No, that same picture comparison got used several pages back.

**BrookM**

commander dante wrote:
So the Red Scorpions are Space Nazis
Am i the only one to notice this about the Culln Leviathan Dreadnought?

Seriously man, you already bleated about this in the other thread, stop it.

**zedmeister**

commander dante wrote:
...snip...

It wasn't funny when you attempted the joke the first time round

**Powerfisting**

commander dante wrote:
So the Red Scorpions are Space Nazis
Am i the only one to notice this about the Culln Leviathan Dreadnought?

Is that the same guy who is also a special character segeant, captain and chapter master? Is he just going to go through every potential rank?

**hotsauceman1**

yeah, me and my friends are going to play a game with all four variants of him in one list lol.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Powerfisting wrote:
commander dante wrote:
So the Red Scorpions are Space Nazis
Am i the only one to notice this about the Culln Leviathan Dreadnought?

Is that the same guy who is also a special character segeant, captain and chapter master? Is he just going to go through every potential rank?

Yep. Hence a joke I made earlier but didn't bother posting it multiple times.

**reds8n**

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/blog/blog.jsp?_requestid=226192

few -- very few really -- pics from FW of the weekend event.

73 dakka points if you spot yourself in one !

**Nionex**

I emailed Forge World about "The Anphelion Project" getting a reprint a few weeks ago and this is the response I got.

"Thanks for the email, At the moment we cant be of much use to you as we are still waiting to hear what is happening with the Anphelion project as well, we are not sure if there will be a reprint, update and reprint or whether the book will be gone for good.

Naturally Games Workshop as a global company to not disclose pre-release information so the only way we will all find out is once any news is officially announced on our apps, webstore, stores and newsletters so keep an eye out for more information."

Just thought I'd throw that information in here.

**Nevelon**

Powerfisting wrote:
commander dante wrote:
So the Red Scorpions are Space Nazis
Am i the only one to notice this about the Culln Leviathan Dreadnought?

Is that the same guy who is also a special character segeant, captain and chapter master? Is he just going to go through every potential rank?

It’s not like Lysander isn’t doing the same thing over in the Imperial Fists...

**Peregrine**

Nionex wrote:
I emailed Forge World about "The Anphelion Project" getting a reprint a few weeks ago and this is the response I got.

"Thanks for the email, At the moment we cant be of much use to you as we are still waiting to hear what is happening with the Anphelion project as well, we are not sure if there will be a reprint, update and reprint or whether the book will be gone for good.

Naturally Games Workshop as a global company to not disclose pre-release information so the only way we will all find out is once any news is officially announced on our apps, webstore, stores and newsletters so keep an eye out for more information."

Just thought I'd throw that information in here.

Wow. Just when you thought GW's stupidity in running a company couldn't get any worse...

**whalemusic360**

The difference being there has been a model for the Power Armor, Terminator, and Dread versions of Cullen and rules for all 4 versions, not just fluff.

**Crablezworth**

Peregrine wrote:
Nionex wrote:
I emailed Forge World about "The Anphelion Project" getting a reprint a few weeks ago and this is the response I got.

"Thanks for the email, At the moment we cant be of much use to you as we are still waiting to hear what is happening with the Anphelion project as well, we are not sure if there will be a reprint, update and reprint or whether the book will be gone for good.

Naturally Games Workshop as a global company to not disclose pre-release information so the only way we will all find out is once any news is officially announced on our apps, webstore, stores and newsletters so keep an eye out for more information."

Just thought I'd throw that information in here.

Wow. Just when you thought GW's stupidity in running a company couldn't get any worse...

Given that response I'd be afraid to ask them about the new stupid flyer book and how that will affect forge world units.

**taemu_touhi**

Crablezworth wrote:
-snip-
Given that response I'd be afraid to ask them about the new stupid flyer book and how that will affect forge world units.

Well I sent them an email about that and at least they are thinking about what to do. Sent it the week before the new flyer book was released.

"Thanks for the email, Currently we do not know what is to happen with our range of flyers regarding the new Death from the Skies supplement, We have compiled a list of email and address's and names that have asked similar questions and we will be forwarding those on to our studio and writers at the end of the week once the book has been released.

I am sure our design team will review all of the questions and issue official rules or FAQ's once they are ready.

For now we suggest that gamers design their own house ruling or use similar stats from models of the like till any official rules are issued."

**Retrogamer0001**

To buy a Leviathan Siege Dreadnought or to buy a Y'vahra...

**Gamgee**

Retrogamer0001 wrote:
To buy a Leviathan Siege Dreadnought or to buy a Y'vahra...

Y'vahra you know it is your destiny! It's such an awesome model it's the only FW model I had to go out of my way to own.

**H.B.M.C.**

Didn't IA4 just get a second edition? How can it be OOP already?

**zedmeister**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Didn't IA4 just get a second edition? How can it be OOP already?

It did indeed. I'm not sure what to make of Forgeworld's bizarre e-mail response. Trouble with their suppliers? Lost The Files™ in an office move (like last time)?

**BrookM**

Personally, no real big loss there as it has some awfully gakky rules for D-99.

**Kid_Kyoto**

timd wrote:
Ashiraya wrote:
I don't see why not. It seems ridiculous, sure, but back in the day we thought a 28mm scale Warlord was too.

Some of us didn't...

cuda1179 wrote:
I know they made the Warlord a much simpler model that the Reaver or Warhound (no interior). They said this was for cost reasons.....but could it simply be to cut weight?

I know that back in the day Armorcast made a Warlord titan (very limited number made, I've been looking for one as the final 40k model made by Armorcast I don't own, yes I own a Knight Paladin, and use it).

Actually Armorcast never produced a Warlord titan. Mike had built and cast some of the parts, but GW changed the Warlord design and would not allow us to produce the original beetleback design, so it never went into production.

They were also working on an Imperator and had plans to cast it before they lost their license. If Armorcast could do it 20 years ago FW should be able to do it today.

Mike had started building an Emperor, but it was unlikely that it ever would have been produced even if GW had renewed the license. The kit was completed and sold on ebay.

Tim

I've only ever seen one picture of the warlord prototype, are there more?

Automatically Appended Next Post:
And oh if you're looking to paint some walking weaponized monuments here today...

Spoiler:

Dystopian Wars Windsor Mobile Fortification

**Heliodore**

Another fun set of Forge World teasers! I'm liking that Moritat, and the Iron Hill Dwarves look exceptional, totally interested in the new book! Hehe, now I know how much of my soul I'm going to have to sell to get that Mastodon and Stormbird, definitely the Mastodon!

@ timd and Kid_Kyoto: What I wouldn't give to get my hands on one of those Armorcast beetle-back Warlord titan prototypes!!! Or even just to see one in person!!!

**MeanGreenStompa**

Peregrine wrote:
Nionex wrote:
I emailed Forge World about "The Anphelion Project" getting a reprint a few weeks ago and this is the response I got.

"Thanks for the email, At the moment we cant be of much use to you as we are still waiting to hear what is happening with the Anphelion project as well, we are not sure if there will be a reprint, update and reprint or whether the book will be gone for good.

Naturally Games Workshop as a global company to not disclose pre-release information so the only way we will all find out is once any news is officially announced on our apps, webstore, stores and newsletters so keep an eye out for more information."

Just thought I'd throw that information in here.

Wow. Just when you thought GW's stupidity in running a company couldn't get any worse...

I would imagine whoever emailed you back gave you an honest answer, waiting to hear from on high if they're going to redo the book at some stage. This redo would, likely be tied in with a GW release, nids or ordo xenos or something, to maximize potential sales.

It would also depend on how that particular book sold in the first place, I know that Raid on Kastorel Novem, for example, was not a big hit and a very slow seller, so it waits in production limbo and may never receive a second incarnation (potential mental note for you collectors out there). Anphelion's sales I am unsure of, but if it also wasn't a big hit, they may not bring it back and instead concentrate on a new book with those armies in the future.

So I would not put this down to stupidity so much as, what you were told, the future of that book is uncertain. I also think that GW's stupidity, of late, has diminished a great deal, with a changing of the guard at HQ, and calling this honest answer such is not productive or accurate.

**Desubot**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

I've only ever seen one picture of the warlord prototype, are there more?

Automatically Appended Next Post:
And oh if you're looking to paint some walking weaponized monuments here today...

Spoiler:

Dystopian Wars Windsor Mobile Fortification

Awesome model, terrible to magnetize the legs :/